>>14306023 overall, it doesn't pretend to be anything other than what it is. Which is why it still looks like the classic. Ford and GM seem to be trying to pretty up the Mustang and the Camaro, trying to make them more modern and shit. the Challenger just doesnt give a fuck and says "yeah I'm a muscle car, you know damn well why you want me and it isn't because I'm modern"
>>14306023 I think the world would be a better place if Ford and Chevy both made something a bit more like the Challenger, and also did something a bit smaller, lighter and more focussed. I kinda get the feeling that the new Mustang and Camaro don't really know if they want to be sharp, driver-oriented sports cars or big muscly cruisers like the Challenger.
>>14306023 I really like the challenger. Maybe its not as lithe as its competitors but unlike the camaro and mustang the dodge challenger fits the perfect definition of muscle car. The hellcat variant reigns supreme over all muscle cars and is even faster than many superca
>>14306023 I have a 09 R/T, bought it out of the 3 current muscle cars because of the way it looks, a lot more comfortable than the camaro (I still like them too), and haven't ever really been a mustang guy (but dat gt 500 from Gone in 60 secs tho!). I plan to drop a different motor in it and I'm shooting for 1000+ hp and to join the 200mph club.
>>14310271 Got it from one of those used car lots (look around for awhile and find a good deal, those guys will always go lower), got it (around 2 years ago) for I think around $23,250? (before tax) and about $25,000 (after tax) and it had only 27,000 miles on it, I would the only problem being the camaro ss is about the same price and it has about 35 more hp, none so far, the 5.7 hemi is in just about every chrysler vehicle and runs fantastically, I did get a letter in the mail for a recall on some hose for the air bag so no big deal as soon as I get it replaced (dealer doesnt have them yet), I would say it is, it's loud has a bunch of horsepower and you can take it aroud a corner sideways from a standstill (haven't tried taking it around a corner at speed, will report if I don't die when/if I try it)
>>14310277 Any other questions? Seriously look into what kind of car you want, price range, power, and if you even like it. Seriously, the reason I choose this over the camaro is because I test drove both at a local dealership and the challenger was more comfortable to sit in, I could see out of it better, and the suspension was as stiff (which I understand it's supposed to be in these kind of cars) but if I drove the camaro on anymore than an hour trip my back would probably start to bug me.
>>14310334 >any more questions Get ready son How much has the car depreciated? Will it still be a good car in 5 years when gas is more expensive again? ANY and I do mean ANY issues that might be more serious in the future? I'm a poorfag in college atm and I want a muscle car once I can get a degree+job What's the range on a single tank? Is it any good beyond being a muscle car? I mean commuting, luxury etc. Thanks in advance, you seem chill af.
>>14310355 Not that anon but I have a '15 R/T >How much has the car depreciated? Bought mine new so a lot >Will it still be a good car in 5 years when gas is more expensive again? I get 16mpg, I don't try to save gas though, I floor it pretty much all the time >ANY and I do mean ANY issues that might be more serious in the future? I'm a poorfag in college atm and I want a muscle car once I can get a degree+job Not that I know of. There were a few recalls iirc >What's the range on a single tank? Like 200ish miles >Is it any good beyond being a muscle car? I mean commuting, luxury etc. The 15 models have the newer interior, not too fond of the dash on pre15. It's larger than the mustang/camaro so more comfy. Full sized trunk too.
I think It'll be a great car when gas is more expensive (E85 actually gives more horsepower, 93 is just better for your motor, burns cleaner, ect.) I have a manual trans so it really depends on how you drive it, the dealer swore it got up to 26 on the highway because it has the EMS (turns off 4 cylinders when in 6th gear and at highway speeds) I think he's full of shit like the other guy said I drive it like a 24 yr old would, I imagine if I drove conservatively I'd get around 18-20 mpg
Issues, none so far. The transmission is a tremec 60-60 is tried and true, again the 5.7 liter V8 has been around for awhile. If you do have the extra cash get a SRT8 ('11 and later models) it has a 392 (6.4 V8) literally the best big block out there right now (470hp 470 ft/lbs torque), otherwise read forums about issues I couldn't find any as of yet (dk how it'll perform when it has 100,000 miles on one)
Tank I would agree 200 miles, I did a lot of highway driving in it over the summer and I think I got 250 miles out of it,
I would say so, you can fit 5 ppl in it (not comfortably mind you) the interior varies year to year (obviously) BUT the model is where you'll see the huge jumps, the SXT (not a real muscle car in my opinion, has a V6) all cloth interior, not a ton of features, prolly no heated seats ect., the R/T has half cloth half-leather interior, mine has a sun roof (nice in the summer i guess?) higher quality interior accents better suspension, the SRT full leather seats, prolly comes with sirius radio, heated seats, brembo brakes, and some other stuff I didn't bother looking up. if you live anywhere where it snows or gets ice it will be useless, I've seen people drive them in the winter please don't do that. It'll rust exponentially and if you need to just buy a beater for the cold months
I mean just go test drive a few of them, see what you like, what you don't like and go from there.
>>14310501 The cylinder deactivation shit is only for auto, I have a manual as well and it doesn't work. I didn't want it anyways as they had problems with timing belts snapping on certain models. Fca had to replace quite a few motors for that fuck up
>>14310501 >>14310944 I have the base RT and I get about 15 mpg. I don't do a lot of highway driving. I have the tazer from z auto tech and it does unlock some of the performance pages that come on the higher trims.
I put a deposit on one, the owner of the stealership bought it out from under my deposit, which is another story, but I'll tell you what I experienced of it.
The power is fucking intoxicating. Roll into the throttle, and it just keeps on pulling forever. The interior is very nice. Not Mercedes nice, but it makes the interior of the Mustang and Camaro look like a cozy coupe. It is a very tame car when you're not balls deep in the throttle. It doesn't drone when cruising like the mustang and the ride is very comfortable. It is a heavy motherfucker, but it's much lighter on its feet than you would expect form bench racing spec sheets. The 6 speed is great. It should be, as it's the same unit from the Viper. The throws are a bit longer than the pony cars, but it's very precise. Revs are easy to control and down shifting is easy as pie. The clutch is heavy, but not uncomfortably so. I'd imagine that it has to be considering the clamping force that you need to hold that much power. I'm still trying to buy one as it is by far the most practical muscle car. The trunk is massive, and people can actually ride in the back comfortably which is just not possible in the Mustang and Camaro.
>>14314653 challenger owner here, so i'm biased but:
>Interior: Mustang > Challenger > Camaro pre-'15 model challenger would have been dead last, post-'15 is no.1, love the retro dash. >Performance: Camaro > Mustang > Challenger yup, the ss is a 6.4 iirc, the 5.0 puts more power down than dodge's 5.7, though with the new scat pack (base model with 6.4) i think it would be camaro=challenger>mustang >Fun: Mustang > Challenger > Camaro cruising challenger is king, around the track camaro is king, at the strip depends on the model. >Looks: Mustang > Challenger > Camaro the challenger is the only one that stuck to the retro muscle look, the mustang now looks like some euro car, and the camaro keeps getting angrier >Best deal: Mustang = Camaro >>>>>>> Challenger challenger rt starts at 32,000, mustang gt starts at 32,400, camaro ss starts at 37,300. so it would be mustang=challenger>>camaro
>>14315870 The SS is lighter than the GT and the R/T. The Camaro has the most horsepower and torque of the three. It has an LSD, dual/mode exhaust, the list of shit it has that the others don't is endless.
>>14315899 not disagreeing with you but the ss is also 5k more than the gt and rt. the challenger scat pack is ~3800 so only 100 more than the ss and is more comparable in hp and torque. it would still lose on a track though.
>>14315903 not in a race. just look at that. Their high power """sports car""" is 450 pounds heavier than a crossover / small suv with all wheel drive. it's an LTZ too so it's the heaviest one. Power lift gate and all the other options that add weight.
I mean shit man you can get a Ford Explorer as "light" as a hellfat
>>14315990 >it is so much heavier than everything else in it's segment that I am comparing it to larger vehicles like these suv's to lampoon and poke fun at how large and heavy the hellcat is. thanks for making me explain the joke
>>14310351 You people are just as boring as those who use dick size to judge all modified cars Non-sense and boring Thank god the world doesn't give any fuck to you faggots. Otherwise there will be no more interesting car and the car culture would be died.
>>14316145 this just makes the hellcat look even shittier. The Bugatti has a huge 16 Cylinder engine with four turbos, big hydraulic active aero, and is capable of 240+ and STILL weighs 450 less than the hellcat
>>14315823 Just my opinion but whenever I see a challenger or a Camaro on the road I tend to lean over and take a long glance before it moves on. Also when I'm with friends I will say, "check out that challenger!" Or "check out that Camaro!" I never find myself caring about Mustangs, they don't look unique enough for me to care or sound good enough. Completely opinionated.
Challenger - retro look whilst being modern and stands out. Camaro - brings the anger and noise with a sleek looking body. Mustang - cool tail lights and that is about it.
>>14316230 >giving FCA money while I agree that FCA is fucking retarded, coming out with the hellcat and scatpack (base model with biggest engine), plus having snek, I think they are really trying to get the enthusiast back. though they are killing snek which pisses me off
Fucking yanks never making rhd models of their cars! Mind you we do get lots of neat old jap shit. Anyway, is it true that in Murica you have to buy cars from dealerships, you can't buy them online and the dealerships aren't owned by the car manufacturer? I saw it on that Adam ruins everything show and it seems odd cos in NZ we can do all that shit, and have toyota/Nissan/whatever dealerships that are owned by those companies, and can buy brand new cars etc straight from their websites.
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