What's the best hatckback ? Currently driving a 2013 Hyundai

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>>14286066
I'm planning to test drive one, but I see a lot of people complaining about the interior quality of Ford (but no comments on the durability of the car).

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>>14286059
>"He" must be a compact
>I carry a lot of shit in my trunk.


Considering these factors, probably ur nan

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>>14286059
>He

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>>14286059
FoST
FoRS
Mazda "Torque Steer" Speed 3

>>14286075
I haven't had any problems with my interior. I actually really enjoy it. along with the Recaro seats

>>14286075
The interiors on VAG cars are quite nice.
Shame about literally everything else.

>>14286087
>Mazda "Torque Steer" Speed 3
Why is this such a meme?
I've driven speed 3s. More than one. And of both gens.
Neither had this issue

>>14286100
>>14286102
most of /o/ doesn't know how to drive so they must resort to shitposting.

>>14286094
One of my coworker has a 2012 Golf, and my stepfather an Audi A4 (2015), the interiors are really "meh"
And they both complain of the price of the maintenance.

>>14286087
FoRS
The new one will probably costs too much for what I'm willing to pay
The old one, like the Mazdaspeed3 are rare, and I can't find one used.

>>14286087
Better than Ford "poor built quality, eats brakes, eats clutches, eats transmissions, FoST or FiST.

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>>14286117
In that case just get the normal Mazda3? The new one with the 2.5L has 184hp and the 2015 and 16 models come in both stick or automatic.

>>14286120
FoST has been good to me. what do you drive?

>>14286136
We don't have the 2.5L on the 3 in France, only on the 6.
The max is 2.0L 165HP and no torque.
And the 6 is too long.
But I need to try one, I've never driven a N/A engine.

>>14286100
From Car and Driver:
"All-wheel drive is looking more and more likely [for the new Speed3], which would solve the last Speed 3’s hellacious torque-steer issues."

Dont know how much you respect C&D's opinion, but apparently they think it's got Torque Steer issues too

>>14286164
They must be pussy ass faggots.
I have never had an issue with torquesteer in any speed 3 I've driven.
Stock or modified

>>14286168
Yeah ive never driven a Speed3, but I heard its not too bad.

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>>14286164
>everyone keeps insisting that the new MS3 will have 300+hp and AWD and compete with the RS/ Golf R without any sauce
This sounds an awful lot like some crazy rumor. I'm actually not sure I want the next MS3 to compete with the RS/Golf R since that would probably price it out of muh budget

>>14286179
Mazdas are overpriced for their quality in general anyways IMO. At least thats what I thought when comparing to Ford/Hyundai/VW

>>14286179
On the other hand, if they do make it a Golf R/FoRS killer while severely undercutting the price points of those...

>>14286188
What about Mazda quality ?

>>14286204
I did not like the new Mazda Interiors. I dont like the software they use on their touchscreens. They buttons and stuff felt kinda cheap too.Whereas I like the Ford/Microsoft Sync style more for touchscreens, and Hyundai's buttons and stuff feel more durable

>>14286188
>Mazda
>overpriced
What

>>14286221
*their

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>>14286221
You're baiting so hard right now

>>14286221
Buttons in the Hyundai are ok, but it's not the same quality as the Volvo.
The Mazda interior looks like a Merc, but it looks boring.

>>14286231
Care to explain your opinion ?

>>14286222
The Mazda3 S series starts at $25,400.The reason i am price quoting the S series is because thats the most comparable to the FoST.
The FoST starts at $24,400.
The FoST shits all over the Mazda3. Remember, I am not talking about the Speed3. Just the regular 3. So thats why I say they are overpriced.

Once again, thats just my opinion

>>14286274
You get what you pay for.

>>14286274
"The FoST shits all over the Mazda3."
In which way ?

>>14286294
I was referring to speed. I have walked every Mazda3 that has tried to race. As for quality, I think the FoST is also better, but thats more opinion based

>>14286059
According to racing games, the 1995-1998 Toyota Supra is still considered a hatchback. MKIV overrated based opinion here. They look sexual though :) .

Peugeot 205 GTi, no contest

>>14286291
What makes you say that? You think the Mazda3 (Not Speed3) is better than the FoST?

>>14286312
I'm saying Ford doesn't have a high quality track record. And a cheap "performance" car isn't a good thing.

>>14286306
2 doors
>>14286307
Too old

>>14286304
I won't race (or actually, no one wants to race here, even the McLaren Ferrarri yadayada just stay under the limit), so it's not a factor for me.

>>14286328
Well, if youre not looking for speed or performance, dont get the FoST, check out the Focus SE Hatchback.

>>14286339
Fuck off shill.
>>14286328
Mazda 3 > focus

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Golf R, A3 Hatch, Fiesta SFE, Focus ST Diesel or Estate.

Really like the Focus ST Estates.

get the new megane gt you baguette fuck
>4ws
>205hp
>french

>>14286366
1.6L
Only auto with their shitty EDC slow as fuck
It's still a fuckin Renault

>>14286345
yeah no. M3 is slower(havent really seen a 160+hp version in my country), shittier handling and more pricey. FoSt is much fun

>>14286870
>comparing turbo to NA
>shitty country doesn't even have the good NA
MS3 still cheaper than Focus ST

Veloster Turbo R-Spec

>>14286906

'no'

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GOLF R/GTI - Octavia Combi RS - RS3 - Focus ST

>>14286930
The only thing on that list that won't blow up right after the warranty ends is the Focus ST. VAG a shit.

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>>14286949
> VAG a shit.

>>14286949
Yeah the ST blows up at the dealer before its sold.
Kek

The new Ford Focus RS if they even offer it in France. The focus rs has 345bhp, awd, torque vectoring, extended intercooler, and it even offers Drift Mode all for just $35k (I have no idea what currency in france is). VW Golf GTI and Renault Clio are not bad choices either.

>>14286930
>Golf R
>RS3
MONEY

>Octavia
Too long sadly


Right now the Mazda3 with the 2.2D looks pretty good, or I wait for the 2.5L (if they release it one day ...)

>>14286906
I prefer the i30 in this case, but for the moment the biggest engine we have is the 1.6D 130
An i30 Turbo must be release with a 1.6Turbo, but at which price ...)

>>14286893
the poorfag focus has 180 hp doeee....

>>14286967
Just saw it on the french website, 40k€

>>14286967
>just $35k
JUST

>>14286059
Suzuki swifts are pretty good and ultra light so they're fun to drive
Vauxal(however the fuck you spell it) vxr is decently fast and built almost like a track car.
Renualt makes a ton of decent hatchbacks, there's a v6 version I can't remember the name of that I love.
Older gtis are really sweet if your into that boxy look and they come with a vr6

>>14286059
z4m coupe best hatch

>>14286993
I want to buy a Swift Sport for my gf, but for me the trunk is not big enough.

Vauxhall are Opel in Europe
The Opel Astra are like the Renault, but worse.
The Renault V6 is dead
The Renault Clio is pure shit, the actual Megane RS is 2doors, the new Megane GT is 1.6L with only EDC gearbox (and it's a shit).

For the older GTI, I'm gonna loose too much money for maintenance.

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>>14287021
Why would you buy a car for your gf? Are you out of your mind?

I see this a lot on /o/ posted, why in the fuck are you retarded people buying brand new cars fro your girlfriend? Wife, I could understand that, but a gf not.

>>14287052
We don't have the same concept of mariage in France.
She won't be my wife before probably 10 years.

And by buying her a car I mean do all the shit, and then we split the bill.

2016 Focus RS
Engine from the mustang so making ~330HP

>>14287104
>Engine from the mazda
Ftfy

>>14287111
What ?

>>14287067
I think you're a huge cuck (just like other people who buy brand new cars for their girlfriends).

>>14286985
Well considering all the features and the performance, it's a pretty damn good deal. And GTI costs around 35k as well

>>14287132
Not sure if you're mental deficient
I'm not planning to buy new, and I'm not planning to pay for it.

>>14287149
Last post wasn't specifically regarding you. Recently I see a lot of people on /o/ buy brand new cars for their gf, I just can't phantom this. Also I thought this board mainly consists of shitposting and cross boarding high schoolers.
Also to mention that ex who destroyed some aut/o/ists Challenger this month.

>>14287169
Everytime I see this "buying to gf" I assume that they're simply asking for advices to do the search instead of the gf.
It's shorter, we don't have to explain exactly the situation etc

>>14287134
>GTI
>35k
choose 1

>>14287021
I'm aware vauhxal/opel is shit but their newer vxr hatch is actually good, I know its hard to wrap your head around and I was surprised too

>>14287194
I will choose the GTI

>>14286100
Meme started by manlet "automotive journalists". It's more noticeable if you're running the stock motor mounts, but that shit should be upgraded right away anyway.

>>14286075
the newer gen (i think 15+) have a lot better looking interior than the older ones.

>>14287943
>cars drive better with thousands in mods
Wow really

>>14287762
Good choice. Hot little car.

>>14288044
But is fwd...

>>14288056
what if i told you that you can have fun in a fwd car, and it can also make a good commuter

>>14288061
But what if I want to beat Takumi on the downhill?
Will it be enough for that?
Can it compete?

>>14288069
no one can beat takumi on the downhill, he's got plot armor

>>14288061
This. I have a gli daily that i love and an quattro rallycar project.

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>>14288076
Considering he beat an RX-7 in a riced out Corolla, I think it's more accurate to say he has plot music

>>14287994
As a '15 focus (se), its nice feeling, but can make a noise every so often when left in stupid cold

Like a plastic rattle.

Mechanicals are great though

>>14288028
>$30 motor mount
>1000s!!!!!!!!

>>14288129
Some people just don't understand, it's OK Anon.

>>14287507
Not sure which one you're talking about, I don't see any update on their website.

>>14286993
>>14287507
So I double checked

There is in OPC (VXR) :
-Corsa, the Peugeot 208 GTI is better
-Astra, only in 3doors, the Renault Megane RS is better
-Insignia, too big for my need, but a decent choice, the only V6 in this range
-VXR8, not available with Opel

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Forget your need for 5 doors and buy the best hot hatch to have been sold in the last 7 years.

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>>14286351
How about Peugeot 308 GT diesel estate?
>Has room for luggage
>Good on fuel
>Fast-ish
>Must be a bargain in France
>Comfiest of the "fast" diesel estates

>>14290433
>he thinks new french cars are cheap

top kek

>>14290433
I don't want an estate, it's too long.

It costs more than the Focus ST Diesel, and everybody drive a Renault or Peugeot here.

>>14286059

Kia Ceed GT

>>14290490
>Kia Ceed GT
Was thinking of trading my i30 Diesel for the new i30 Turbo, I'm waiting an answer from my dealer.
Why this answer ?

GTI

>>14290516

I learned driving in a Kia Ceed first generation (germany) unlike the memes imply it was a decent car and I had more fun than in the Audi A3 I've been driving before. Since then I'm a Kia fan and I've been waiting for the ceed GT to become affordable for me.

>>14286075
The new Ford interiors are pretty good as far as economy cars go. I'd say they're one of the better ones. Mazda's interiors are the nicest economy interiors though.

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>>14290555
>Ford interiors are pretty good

Focus ST you baka.

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>2008 Mazdaspeed 3
>Raw Power
>Comfy Interior, but sporty
>Transmission is smooth for a manual
>Wheel spin isnt bad for a FWD
Cons
>TORQUE STEER
>I CLUTCH THE STEERING WHEEL SO I WONT DIE AS I SHIFT

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>>14291974
>trying to find one in my area
>lowest price one has red painted in the wheels, V-TEC stickers (really nigga?)
>one in the color that I want (blue) has smoked head and taillights, dents because the PO took off the Mazda logo and cut off the tops and bottoms, blacked out emblems, riced out wheels

>>14288129
If you don't have a garage, hoist or your time isnt very valuable, it does.

>>14292007
It does what?
i did my motor mount in 10 minutes with a jack and jack stand.
Its really super easy

>>14292031
He thinks he is special snowflake and that his time is priceless. It the excuse most lazy shitter use when they can't be bothered to do something.

>>14292050
It comes with instructions
Its 3 bolts
Stop making excuses
Its still only $30

>>14286870
Lol don't call it an M3, you WILL confuse people

>>14292073
LOL I work minimum wage part time, do you want me to buy the motor mounts for you? I can spare 30 dollars you fucking doofus

>>14292073
maybe you shouldnt be driving a car then

>>14286059
EK hatch with a few simple mods

>>14292073
>doesn't have money for $30 motor mounts
This is your only option then Anon >>14292174

Seriously, if my mechanically inept ass can change my motor mount myself anyone can. If you going to be a faggot about it just get a GTI and learn to love the flavor of cock.