Can Ford be saved?
is it really as simple as just pulling their head out of the V6's ass and offering V8's again for vehicles that should have them?
>the Mustang will become an "ecoboost V6 only" within your lifetime
>the Mustang will offer an electric option in your lifetime
Exactly how does the drivetrain matter in a luxury car beyond being able to move the car and not disturbing occupants? FWD is fine with me if I get more cabin space in my luxury car out of the deal.
Ford will do alright, judging by the number of Ecoboost F150's they sell.
Lincoln should've been killed off in the mid-70's. Definitely no excuse for allowing it to survive during the past ten years.
the reason for ford shifting away from V8's at all, is because a demand started for smaller cars with smaller engines because of fuel costs. So Ford is pushing this meme that you can just ignore the V8 exists and push V6's as a "big engine" for cars that should have big engines, and offer i4's for everything else.
meanwhile, someone with the cash to buy a 2017 lincoln Continental, has the cash to not give a fuck about fuel economy. Much like people who buy an H1 Hummer, obviously dont give a fuck. I mean, that thing had horrible gas mileage even by 90's standards, where land yacht sedans even got like at least 15/25
nobody is going to be impressed by a V6 car, because the 6 cylinder engine is ridiculously common. Meanwhile, the V8 is something that practically defines American automobiles, and particularly American Luxury automobiles.
where every other line and brand was downsizing in the late 90's and early 2000's to meet the demand for practical i4 shitbox sedans, something like Lincoln became even more of a status symbol, since you could afford to have a huge sedan with a big V8 under the hood, gas prices be damned.
Ford is only even offering the V8 Mustang because people would chew their heads off otherwise. They fucking offer an i4 ecoboost mustang. Think about that.
if I;m a guy who can afford a luxury car, then I want to show off that i can afford a big engine.
I mean really now. its not hard to grasp. they abandoned the 8Cyl because of gas prices lowering their demand. but with gas prices falling, lets hope they decide to bring the V8 back in a year or two. (if it lasts, anyway)
Americans may drive shitboxes daily because of practicality, but they truly crave V8's. it's in their blood
It doesn't matter for a land barge like the Continental. Hell, I'd be ok with a CVT because they don't ever jerk the occupants and if you set it up right it can even be quieter.
On a BMW or its competitors I'd stick with good old RWD, since they're supposed to be sports sedans as much as anything.
That's wrong though, they operate smoother which is key for a flagship vehicle, lets not forget the sound they make too. Don't forget cars are one of the most subjective purchases that are made.
There's certainly a reason for why I've been seeing more and more Town Cars on the road these days. Ford just doesnt deliver on that American desire to drivea V8 powered grand sedan.
More weight and friction. Yes, the 8 might be better balanced but you could go for a straight 6 instead.
With todays effective engines, there's no need for V8. Who needs more than 300hp? And 300hp is very conservative for a modern V6.
by that logic, I should just get a bicycle. or better yet, a skateboard.
>thinks this is the first time Ford has offered a 2.3L i4 Turbo-Stang
then you're not an American. Get the fuck out and go back to canada. Or whatever other beta country you came from.
Manufacturers are more than likely bringing I6's back for that very reason.
I'd love to have a grand touring coupe that's just pretty, comfy, and powered by a nice high revving straight 6.
Yes, it is not like they have so much cash laying around that they ran out of Hefty bags to keep it in and ended up distributing a billion dollars back to the shareholders in a special dividend... oh wait...
well at least someone's still doing it.
It's a cultural thing I guess. Europe is accustomed to having tiny cars with tiny engines, because they have tiny streets, while luxury sportscars for the super rich who can just take a drive through the countryside, can have their large engined large supercars. its just the way of things over there.
in the US though, since the 50's, the V8 was practically standard in any american car, because gas was cheap and ego was high.
even as gas got more expensive and regulations fucked over V8's, they still persist in American culture. Route 66, the american midwest, long stretches of large straight road, that sort of image... So while companies like ford are trying hard to homogenize all their markets, taking advantage of the fact that oil prices int he US have made smaller engined cars an easy sell, most Americans still remember when most everything had a V8 available. Wasnt that long ago. maybe till around '08 or '10 or so.
if you ask someone about a mustang, regardless of generation, the image that pops into their brain is a gas guzzling V8. nobody's going to look at a mustang, even a foxbody, and think "hmmm. i4..."
It does feel better, but a Continental isn't about driving feel.
The whole point of the car is to remove you from the work of driving as much as possible. Essentially just floating down the freeway with some nice tunes on a comfy ass couch.
Except besides when it did then, and it does now, you mean.
The EcoBoost mustang makes a lot of sense for young people who can't pay the v8 insurance tax that comes along with the GT. And you can tune it to be nearly as fast with some nice basic DIY modifications (and paying for a tune).
Not to mention it's making the Mustang accessible in Yurp for the first time.
the point still stands though. in Europe, larger engines are usually reserved for larger more expensive luxury cars. the average car was a 4 cylinder affair, like the original Fiat 500. (or even the remake) in the US, even the cheapest family sedan, had a V8.
Holy shit fucking gold lmao!
>Except besides when it did then, and it does now, you mean.
it really doesnt, considering even a V6 Mustang has a stigma attached to it.
>Not to mention it's making the Mustang accessible in Yurp for the first time.
it was there before, giving it a tiny engine isnt going to somehow make it magically more accessible, when it's still a large car, aside from maybe make it cheaper, although again, if you are buying a Mustang in Europe, you sure as hell aren't buying it for the gas milage.
True, but I like that Ford is cucking Yurp a bit by not giving them the GT350/R or GT500/R.
The top of the line there is that 100k GT meme.
>and nobody remembers the fucking SVO
The SVO was the most badass fox mustang ever made. It was the fastest or close to it, and the best handling. Disks on all 4 corners, 4 lug, a unique bodykit to help it stand out, you knew an SVO when you saw it, and you were scared of it.
FWD =/= Luxury, thats why I always shit on FWD Acuras. Either make it AWD or RWD. Luxury is Luxury. Shit, even Hyundai does Luxury right with The Genesis sedan. The thing drives like it's hovering over clouds and the torque embeds you within the seat.
This, people always tell me that you don't need RWD cause its not some enthusiast boy-racer car but considering all its competitors are RWD with AWD optional it only makes me wish the Lincoln had RWD even more.
Not to mention it would truly capture the classic RWD American land-barge. Even the Escalade after all these years has stayed RWD with AWD optional.
>interior uses real wood
I'm afraid so, the Continental name meant so much and even Rivaled Rolls Royce in its early days. sad Ford didn't bring it back with a bang.
Why is Lincoln still in business?
I literally see a new Lincoln on the road like once every 6 months
Every Lincoln dealer that use to be in the area growing up turned into a standard Ford dealer with a couple Lincolns if you want them
I don't even think Lincoln has the one foot in the grave market anymore, or if they do it's strictly with the old Panther platform Lincolns
Even more to the point, new Lincolns are literally uglier rebadged Fusions
Meanwhile Cadillac is the flagship for GM again in "luxury" and definitely in tech design. Including but not limited to, their own chassis, their own powertrains(TTV6 is a monster), and their own suspension designs.
Luxury in quotes because everyone appears to have a different opinion of luxury on /o/
and again, if you are buying an American musclecar in Europe, you dont exactly care about that, otherwise you would be buying a much better European car.
Anyone who buys something like a Mustang in Europe, does it because they either want an American musclecar, with all that implies, or want it because they want an American V8 with American styling.
They should bring back the Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis/Town Car with an aluminum body and a hybrid powertrain. Hell, they're doing just that with the fucking F-150 in 2020, might as well replace that trashy Taurus with something cab companies and police departments will suck Ford's dick over.
this. while some of their newer vehicles have shut them up a bit, lots of cops still complain about the newer vehicles compared to the Crown Vic.
And taxi Drivers still use both that and the Town car.
Ford is missing out on a great opportunity. especially now that gas is dropping
>>the sound of /o/tists' collective REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'ing over shit that they are imaging.
They aren't going to replace the Taurus, it's a platform vehicle. The Explorer is build on the Taurus platform, it wouldn't make sense from a manufacturing perspective to cut the Taurus. The Taurus is the new Crown Vic. The Fusion is what the Taurus "was," but generally more well put together.
If you want a slimmer more efficient sedan Ford wants you buying Fusions - no reason police depts can't use them either - they won't fall to pieces as fast as Chargers, that's for sure.
You're forgetting about CAFE and other legislative pressure to improve MPGs. It's not about whether customers care about fuel economy, it's that the average economy of Ford's lineup has to meet a certain standard or it'll get in trouble with the government.
Also, Continental buyers still care about fuel economy. It's not a Lamborghini or a Bentley, it's going to be in the price range of a mid-spec 5-Series. It's a midlevel executive's car, not a CEO's car.
Wouldn't it be harder to put perps in the back seat of the Fusion. If they discontinue the Taurus police departments will just buy more Explorers. Which they're already doing. In droves.
GM has been expecting the death of the v8 since the late 70s. Ford tried to ditch the v8 when they tried to make the Mustang fwd. And mopar didn't even have a v8 performance car for a long time. They probably see the writing on the wall again. Which is why Ford is pushing their ecoboost branding so hard. GM has their own ecotec fours and V6s. And we are hearing rumors that the next gen Charged/Challenger/'cuda are going twin turbo V6.
CAFE is for fleetwide averages, and it's why we're seeing all this bullshit with plug-in hybrids like the Fusion Energi, which gets 12 miles on the battery. But that gives it some absurd MPG calculation like 99MPG, which helps balance out the traditional gas powered SUVs.
The EcoBoost engine is also a total meme. Unless you absolutely baby the pedal and accelerate/accelerate at a snail's pace, in the city MPGs will go to shit. On the highway you get decent mileage doing 55mph consistently but any acceleration to handle traffic or doing speeds above 70mph quickly drops your MPGs. V6s are better, factory turbo'ed econoboxes are tuned to dump a ton of fuel in when power is needed to keep things cool and reliable, meaning as soon as power is called for, fuel economy totally hits the shitter.
If you told me in 1990 that the 2016 Mustang would have engine options of a 2.3T or 5.0...
When plebians go shopping, they buy Lincolns. I buy the gourmet expensive Bentley's cause when I drive it I want to feel it. But you know what's on my mind right now? It ain't the engine in my landbarge.
It's the dead nigger in my garage.