>>14259313 Land Rover had some pretty bad years with electrical and stuff, but I think it was earlier than 08. I'd find out when those years were. I bet if you called your Land Rover dealer they'd actually just tell you... at least try it.
There have been several posts telling OP that buying any used Land Rover would be a horrific idea.
Shit, you've got evidence of it, Doug Demuro bought one in 2012 and he has put in over 6.5k in repairs alone. Of course, he fortunately has a Carmax Warranty to cover it, but can you afford to take a car and stick 6.5k ontop of maintence over the course of 3 years?
>>14259645 Pretty much this. I love Range Rovers and Range Rover Sports (the new one is great), had various ones in my family over a long time, but it's a truck you keep around in warranty and just say fuck it if it breaks.
The new Range Rover's and Sports are actually pretty good but they still always have little things. The old ones were always a problem: air suspension issues and electronics.
>>14259669 the funny thing is that the sub 2008 range rovers are not much better than a Ford in terms of build quality. They are selling kinda cheap because they are actually incredibly unreliable and expensive to fix. Even Londons Met police chief claims that his Range Rover was constantly breaking just after 100k miles, so thats why he got a new one, lol. If you want a more reliable European SUV get a BMW X5 or an Audi Q5
Problem with them is that their off road capability is practically 0. Where as the Range Rover can still go places and do things where there is no road and/or drive competently in the snow (which is what that 90% of the owners bey them for).
>>14260854 Can't do shit on the snow without good tires, having a Range Rover doesn't help that. A 1st generation Cayenne is a good option if you want an inexpensive off road capable SUV. So is the Tuareg or whatever that VAG SUV thing is, but those aren't cheap in any way other than purchasing it.
>>14260920 >Can't do shit on the snow without good tires
That goes for every car ever. Most people though, buy SUVs for driving in snow and that all the 4 wheel drive use they get. Unless OP plans to take that thing off road or needs to tow something there's no reason for a Range Rover, just get a Subaru for snow.
I love Land Rovers, I just can't recommend any new one to anybody. The L322 in addition to the engine problems I mentioned earlier, the electronic system is immensely complex and a royal pain to fix if something goes wrong. And the new Rovers just aren't as good off road as the older ones, I could recomend a Classic Range Rover or a P38 that has a cool spring conversion. The Disco I or II are also good, in my opinion a better truck than the Range Rovers, but they need to be looked after and the minor things need to be taken care of before they become big. And most owners don't do that for some reason.
>>14261002 If your trying to say that a new Disco or Freelander is as good or better off road than a Defender, than your crazy. Every new Land Rover is riding on a vulnerable air suspension that breaks all the time and an independent suspension. They are also a lot bigger and heavier than the old trucks, all of which lead to being an inferior off road vehicle.
>>14261040 The air suspension does not break all the time and is not any more vulnerable than a coil spring. The new Range Rovers and Discoveries since the 3 are the best off road vehicles Land Rover has ever produced. The only downside to them is being heavy, but that's pretty well masked by the available traction aids that the older Land Rovers completely lacked. You couldn't even get locking differentials until the LR3.
>>14261056 They are a hell of a lot more vulnerable than coils. A coil spring is just a piece of steel, air suspension has a compressor, valve body, plastic lines, air tank, and rubber spring. There's a reason the coil spring conversion kit is popular for new Rovers. And all those electronic driver aids are just there to help hide the inherent problems with the design, you just admitted that. The shit we've done with our Defender 110 I'd be surprised to see a new Rover keep up.
Also remember that the Camel Trophy was killed because they switched to using the new Rovers and they couldn't keep up with the old Defenders.
>>14260854 an X5 with proper wheels/tyres can be used for offroading, seen some in action. You sometimes see videos of x5's, mercedes G's, Audi Q's etc sucking at offroading but almost always they use summer road tyres in those videos
>>14261149 >They are a hell of a lot more vulnerable than coils Nope. They are in the exact same position and thus equally vulnerable. Which is to say not at all, because nothing will reach where they are located very easily. The air bags are NOT at all weak, considering the pressures they are under. The rest of the air suspension control isn't vulnerable, either. The only inherent problem with the new designs are that they are heavy. They could probably improve the weight if they went to a unibody design, but for some reason they don't seem to want to.
I'm sorry, but the current Discoveries and Range Rovers are better off road.
>>14261337 And as we all know the tires make the difference on snow. We never see the tires in that video. If there are summers on the G-wagon and studded snows on the BMW, the of course the Merc is going to slide everywhere and BMW drive like nothing.
>>14261398 >>14261365 hey, there is only less than 500lbs difference between a f01 750li xdrive and a 2013 G550. This isnt the only video of the G sucking btw, not really cherrypicking. New SUVs are often equipped with hill climb assisting tech as well. Of course tyres make a difference, thats what I was stating at first, however it does look like the G has proper winter tyres in that video though, which is kinda strange
>>14261508 Sure, but I still believe for some reason that the latest G55s and G63s arent as good for offroading as the Gs from the 90s. Maybe it is only the tyres, but imho the suspension has been adjusted in favour of on road driving nowadays. A different story with the 6x6 G, holy shit that thing is insane.
>>14261620 I know I am. I'm a Land Rover enthusiast and mechanic. And go off roading with my '66 IIA and my dad's '93 Defender 110. They are brilliant trucks off road, and much better than new ones. Especially for someone who know how to drive off road.
Also stopped with trip because of a move from computer to smartphone and said screw it.
>>14261685 You mean the series 2? wow, never actually seen one in real life, are those ancient things still usable on roads/highways? Coming from a post-USSR country I havent had much experience with western offroaders, only driven/been driven in some UAZ's and Nivas
>>14261743 You will occasionally see an old Series on the roads here in the US. They are fine on highways where the speed limit is usually 55mph. But on interstates where 65-75mph is the limit they aren't that great unless you have an overdrive in it. Not a lot of trucks have an overdrive and they aren't the easiest things to find if you want to put one on.
>>14261743 Being in an ex-Soviet country you may be able to search for and find some interesting American 4x4's. The first Jeeps were made by 3 different companies and we're all different, they were the Ford GP, Willys MA, and Bantam BRC 40. About 2500 of each were made and the vast majority were given to the Soviet Union during WWII when the US standardized on the Willys MB. I've had a theory that somewhere over there, there has to be a yard filled with old US Jeeps that nobody really pays attention to. Since the American vehicles were better engineered and built that the Soviet ones.
>"Hey everybody, Doug Dumburo here with with imported, RHD 1989 Nissan Skyline GT-R from Japan and I'm going to show you what it's like to get fast food in a drive through window when you're on the wrong side of the car!"
>>14259313 A Range Rover is like a satellite launched from the dealer that never quite reaches a high enough orbit to escape gravity. It just goes in ever tightening concentric circles around the delership until it plows into the service department and never leaves.
I had a 2000, previous gen with the last of the Rover V8s. It was a slow pile of shit that got 10 mpg. Also it overheated and the block warped, junked at less than 150k miles. A Tahoe, Explorer or even a Durango is a far superior machine.
>>14261575 The G63 is crap only because you are stuck with 20" wheels and that stupid front valance ruins approach angles. The G55 was absolutely fine since it did not have these limitations. Also there are non AMG Gs, so what's your point? If you weren't an idiot you would know that the G-Wagen available in the states from the 1990s is the same as the official MB Gs. Europa never imported the 461s after the 463 came out, and I'm pretty sure the only differences between the 463 and 461 in the current day is the 461 not having the facelift and being available only in basic trim.
Honestly, yes, Doug Demuro is annoying, however; his anecdotal experience is completely relevant to the point I was making. I'm not autistic enough to let my dislike for someone hinder my ability to see facts when needed.
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