Honda CR-Z, Civic Si, Ford Fiesta ST, Subaru Impreza Hatch, or Mazda 3

>>14258377
Mazda 3

CR-Z is cute. Will NA get a non-hybrid version?

>>14258439
What makes the Mazda 3 better than the rest? Besides the CR-Z, it seems a bit underpowered.

Don't get the CR-Z if you want a zippy civic, just get the Civic Si sedan.

I vote ST though

Civic, Fit, Accord.

>>14258567
The Fit was slow and fuckugly.

>>14258570
My bad, didn't know you were a professional race car driver.

>>14258595
What?

I don't just want some slow A-B car you autist.

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>>14258377
Anybody?

>>14258377
Go with the Civic SI or Fiesta ST. Everyone has a hard on for the Fiesta right now, but I'd wager the civic is going to be more reliable.

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>>14258377
fiesta st

fun little car

>>14258914
>>14258906

I saw a few mentions of a Cobb Stage 2 upgrade for the Fiesta, as well as some other companies offering upgrades for only a couple hundred or thousand dollars.

Would they be worth it, should I buy the Fiesta? I haven't test driven it yet, so I'll probably get a better sense once I do.

>>14258377
Get the Corolla and go on with your life

>>14258938
there are also bolt on supercharger kits for the SI, and K20 can make 300hp easy with one.

Would be more expensive though.

>>14258377
>I just want a fun, easy to work on, and practical first car.
>I need my own car, and I have a max budget of $30k

My first piece of advice would be to not spend 30k on this. Buy a used Nissan Juke for 10k.

>>14258949
>not civic
you fucked up

>>14258949
I never said anything about a Corolla.

>>14258967
I'm already driving a Nissan and fucking hate it. I don't want to drive another one of these monstrosities.

>>14258938
the fiesta st is great without tuning
perfect amount of speed for the car

tuning will only make it even better

literally almost everyone who reviews it says they love it or they prefer the focus ST just because of the size

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNEmDrTznpQ

>>14258377
>fun
subjective

>easy to work on
lol

>practical
depends on your lifestyle, even a miata is considered practical for some folks.

>slow unreliable moneypit
better not buy american then

>>14259004
I'm driving a slow unreliable moneypit of a Japanese car, Mr. Memester.

How's reliability on the fords?

>>14259044
Good, only issues got worked out from the early models.

The automatic Focus (non-STs) are bad though.

>>14258377
>budget of $30k

Can't believe I have to share a board with you pampered shits. Fucking RREEEEE.

>>14260486
What? I'm paying for it myself.

>>14261738
GET OUT NORMO

>>14258377
Out of your choices, Civic Si or Fiesta ST. For, IMHO, better options: Scion FR-S(Toyota 86), Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Subaru WRX, Mazda Miata. That's only if you're set on buying new. You can get a lot of car for $30k in the used market. For example: BMW M3, Audi S5, Audi TTRS/TTS, Porsche Cayman, Honda S2000, Lotus Elise.

>>14261797
>>>/r9k/

>>14261867
I'm not interested in buying a used luxury car that I won't be able to afford maintenance on.

>>14261949
Lotus Elise/S2k won't have high maintenance costs. Anyway, most of those won't cost you the full $30k. You'd have plenty of money left over for maintenance. Plus, if you have $30k to drop on a car, I don't think the maintenance will hit you that hard.

>>14261949
I own a 2012 Civic Si, and i really love this car. Everything i could want in a DD.
>easy to work on
>reliable
>good gas mileage
>huge aftermarket
>VTEC fun

My only criticism would be the interior. Interior feels pretty cheap.

>>14261949
Highly suggest you buy a doable used car and put the rest into VTSAX. You'll thank yourself later.

Fiesta ST. The current Civic Si isn't a very good car at anything, and costs as much as a far better and more powerful Focus ST. Honda reliability is a meme too, synchros are still shit and I remember a lot of 8th Gens having really shitty paintwork/body issues (fading paint/bad clear on 4-5 year old cars and spots of rust on the trunk).

>>14258914
These things are bad ass looking on the outside but the inside is 2edgy4me. If they made it more to look like a mustang on the inside I'd be all about it.

>>14258836
>asking for other's opinions then shitting on them
To top it off you posted a CR-Z you moron. That's just as slow if not slower than a fit.

>>14262027
>honda reliability is a meme
Lol okay bro, let me know how your FoST is doing at 100k.

Oh wait i forgot... They never make it that long.

>>14262179
I owned a 2007 Si back when they were new and Honda told me to go fuck myself when I lost 3rd at 45k miles, had to get it rebuilt myself

go fuck yourself

>>14262191
>not knowing how to shift
Sucks bro.

>>14262200
The clutch on the car before that lasted 240k miles before it popped a headgasket, I've driven 10 speed dump trucks ffs

K-Series transmissions are trash. The 9th Gen isn't even very good to drive, it felt softer and heavier. It doesn't feel lively. Part of the old Honda magic was revving it out to 8-9k.

>>14262238
>getting this mad

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Alright guys, I'll go seive a few later today. Right after I posted this thread, the traction control on this Murano would randomly switch off and half the electronics stopped working all-together. I'm taking it to the shop, and having a friend drive me around to different dealers.

On my list to drive later is...
>2015 Subaru BRZ
>2012 Subaru WRX STi Hatchback
>2015 Subaru WRX (non-STi)
>2015 Subaru Impreza Hatch
>2015 Ford Focus ST
>2015 Ford Fiesta ST
>2008 Ford Ranger XLT
>Scion FR-S
>Scion tC
>Mazda 3 (My friend has, so I'll just be driving his)
>Honda Civic Si
>2014 Accord V6 Manuél

I'll have a busy day, but I want to get a feel for all the options. The Ranger is different, but I have my reasons for having it.

After I've driven them, I'll narrow it down, and figure it out myself. Who knows, I might go with something I didn't expect. I drove the CR-Z earlier and knocked that off my list.

>>14262257
>getting your kicks from trolling a internet imageboard subforum about cars at 3am on a sunday

get a life kid

>>14262287
>thinking because it's 3am for you it's 3am for everyone
>telling me to get a life when you're on here at 3am on a sunday

But.. It's not even midnight here..

>>14262116
If it makes you feel better, I drove one earlier and didn't like it.

Looked nice, but felt really fucking anemic. I had a hard time getting it up to highway speed.

>>14262007
Interior doesn't bother me... Most modern cars have dogshit interiors, and the cars I'm driving are no exception.

If I wanted a nice interior, I'd buy an old Merc.

>>14262027
I've heard some issues with the Si's synchros, same with the ST's clutch. I'm not too worried about either because they're fairly uncommon.

In comparison, the current SUV I'm driving has needed its transmission replaced 3 times in under 90k miles, has constant electronic failures, and more.

>>14262352
Honestly both are good cars. 9th gen Si hasn't had any synchro problems. ST rarely has clutch issues.

They are both fun cars, ST is faster/more fun stock but more expensive.
If you're the kind of guy that likes to fully customize or build a car then the Si is the better choice. However if you just want a car to get in and have fun with i would suggest the ST.

>>14262389
I'll figure it out later, but for now I'm getting a bit more sleep and waking up bright and early to go harass car salesmen.

Ideally I'd like to build a car from the ground up, but that's a goal that I don't have time nor tools for currently. I don't want to rice the shit out if my car, just maybe a few basic performance parts that'll help, but not full-on rice.

>>14262405
Not who you are replying to but...
Sounds like you need to test drive the Civic Si sedan, and an ST back to back.
I'm more partial to the Si, as they've been great cars since the beginning, and the ST's haven't really made as huge of a mark (at least state side.)

Good luck bro, and post what you thought about driving them after.

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Huh, the thread is still up.

So far I've driven all the Subarus, the Fords, and the Civic Si. I'm about to drive around the V6 Accord Coupe now.

The WRX STi had VERY low miles, and felt great. The Non-STI felt weak in comparison, and I hated the way it looked. The Impreza felt like an econobox, and didn't enjoy it nearly as much as the STi Hatch.

The Ranger drove nicely, and I know trucks last forever. It was pretty boring, but for my needs it was extremely practical. The Focus ST felt nice, but the Fiesta ST drove and handled better. The Civic Si didn't feel nearly as good when driving, but it was pretty nice. Had a better interior than the Fiesta.

The Mazda3 is pretty good... but I found a Mazdaspeed3 at the same Scion dealership I'm going to.

So far, I've narrowed down the list a bit

>WRX STi Hatch
>BRZ
>Mazda 3
>Ford Ranger
>Ford Fiesta ST
>Civic Si

Haven't driven
>Accord V6
>Scion tC
>Scion FR-S
>Mazdaspeed 3

>>14265532
All good choices anon.
Except the tC... Wouldn't even bother test driving it.

>>14265532
Take into account insurance costs as well, that STi hatch is a dreamboat but may cost you a ton annually.

I'll say the Fiesta ST can be woken up quite a bit with a few mods.

>>14265566
Why not?

>>14265567
Yeah, that's probably going to be the biggest issue. I'm really liking the STi, but being a single, white male, under 25 the thing will be a bitch to insure. I'll have to call USAA and see how much it would be.

>>14265567
Yeah Cobb makes a really good kit for the FiST.
If you plan on installing it all yourself it will only cost you around $3k. Totally worth it though if you aren't planning on staying stock.

>>14265532
>buying anything this new
Go buy a car for 5-8k on craigslist. Put the rest in a high yield savings account.

>>14265580
tC is like the Si but slower, higher softer suspension, no LSD, worse interior, worse exterior, inferior aftermarket, fan boys are somehow worse than civic fan boys

>>14265600
Nigger, I already have plenty of savings and I even have a few stocks.

I'm not interested in buying a cheap shitbox car, I've been driving cheap shitbox cars since I was 15. I want something new or relatively new.

>>14265584
I went with some MAPerformance parts over Cobb, but same concept...

Exhaust/FMIC/Intake/AP and a Pro-Tune were all had for under $2k shipped. Making 220whp/280tq

>>14265609
Then spend 15k on Lexus LS430 or 20k on a 460.

>>14265623
Damn 280tq on that car must feel ridiculous haha.

>>14265625
Not everyone has the same taste in cars as you.

>>14265623
>>14265584
Jesus Christ that sounds like fun.

I didn't like the recaros anyways, I'd rather have the stock seats.

>>14265861
Recaros were a must have for me, interior felt a little to plain econobox without them.

Not that it's not a plain econobox interior, it's just a plain econobox interior with recaro seats.

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Traded my FiST for a Civic SI. No regrets.

>>14258377
The CR-Z has piss poor rear visibility, which is surprising given its a hatch. That alone disuaded me from buying one, since I don't want to gamble every time I make a lane change.

I'd vote for the Mazda 3 or Impreza hatch depending on where you live (you might need AWD more often throughout the year).

>>14258377
>get the crz.
>put bread on car
>watch /o/ rage

>>14265874
They didn't fit me well... I wish they did because the smoke grey with matching exterior looks great.

>>14266090
Mine were stiff until ~5000 miles or more. Around 15k miles now and they've broken in excellently and I'm decently large (6'2"/210), however, they do occasionally generate aggro from passengers.

>>14258377
Don't make the same mistake.

DO NOT BUY NEW

And avoid premium used.

Buy something fun and practical, and keep your money (or buy a bike, bikes are fun).

>>14265911
How'd you get that red stripe on it? Just curious because i also drive a Black Civic Si coupe and i think it looks sick af.

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>>14265911
what made you switch

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>>14267870
My guess.. Too big for the seats in the Fist. The civic si is a fantastic car with a more comfortable ride and more cabin space than the St. However the St is mothafuggin tizziggt if you sub, 200lbs and like to boogie in traffziccics knowhaimsayin?

>>14267870
he wanted to own a boring honda.

>>14258377
wait til the civic si coupe comes out this year. looks a lot better than previous models. Also reliable I have an 06 and no problems.