Hey nerds, I'm in the market for a car. When looking around, I found the Honda CR-Z, as well as the Civic Ai, Fiesta ST, Subaru Impreza Hatch, and the Mazda 3.
I just want a fun, easy to work on, and practical first car. Currently I'm driving my Mom's 09 Nissan Murano, which is slow, unreliable, and a money pit. I need my own car, and I have a max budget of $30k.
What do you guys think?
I saw a few mentions of a Cobb Stage 2 upgrade for the Fiesta, as well as some other companies offering upgrades for only a couple hundred or thousand dollars.
Would they be worth it, should I buy the Fiesta? I haven't test driven it yet, so I'll probably get a better sense once I do.
>I just want a fun, easy to work on, and practical first car.
>I need my own car, and I have a max budget of $30k
My first piece of advice would be to not spend 30k on this. Buy a used Nissan Juke for 10k.
the fiesta st is great without tuning
perfect amount of speed for the car
tuning will only make it even better
literally almost everyone who reviews it says they love it or they prefer the focus ST just because of the size
Out of your choices, Civic Si or Fiesta ST. For, IMHO, better options: Scion FR-S(Toyota 86), Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Subaru WRX, Mazda Miata. That's only if you're set on buying new. You can get a lot of car for $30k in the used market. For example: BMW M3, Audi S5, Audi TTRS/TTS, Porsche Cayman, Honda S2000, Lotus Elise.
Lotus Elise/S2k won't have high maintenance costs. Anyway, most of those won't cost you the full $30k. You'd have plenty of money left over for maintenance. Plus, if you have $30k to drop on a car, I don't think the maintenance will hit you that hard.
I own a 2012 Civic Si, and i really love this car. Everything i could want in a DD.
>easy to work on
>good gas mileage
My only criticism would be the interior. Interior feels pretty cheap.
Fiesta ST. The current Civic Si isn't a very good car at anything, and costs as much as a far better and more powerful Focus ST. Honda reliability is a meme too, synchros are still shit and I remember a lot of 8th Gens having really shitty paintwork/body issues (fading paint/bad clear on 4-5 year old cars and spots of rust on the trunk).
The clutch on the car before that lasted 240k miles before it popped a headgasket, I've driven 10 speed dump trucks ffs
K-Series transmissions are trash. The 9th Gen isn't even very good to drive, it felt softer and heavier. It doesn't feel lively. Part of the old Honda magic was revving it out to 8-9k.
Alright guys, I'll go seive a few later today. Right after I posted this thread, the traction control on this Murano would randomly switch off and half the electronics stopped working all-together. I'm taking it to the shop, and having a friend drive me around to different dealers.
On my list to drive later is...
>2015 Subaru BRZ
>2012 Subaru WRX STi Hatchback
>2015 Subaru WRX (non-STi)
>2015 Subaru Impreza Hatch
>2015 Ford Focus ST
>2015 Ford Fiesta ST
>2008 Ford Ranger XLT
>Mazda 3 (My friend has, so I'll just be driving his)
>Honda Civic Si
>2014 Accord V6 Manuél
I'll have a busy day, but I want to get a feel for all the options. The Ranger is different, but I have my reasons for having it.
After I've driven them, I'll narrow it down, and figure it out myself. Who knows, I might go with something I didn't expect. I drove the CR-Z earlier and knocked that off my list.
Interior doesn't bother me... Most modern cars have dogshit interiors, and the cars I'm driving are no exception.
If I wanted a nice interior, I'd buy an old Merc.
I've heard some issues with the Si's synchros, same with the ST's clutch. I'm not too worried about either because they're fairly uncommon.
In comparison, the current SUV I'm driving has needed its transmission replaced 3 times in under 90k miles, has constant electronic failures, and more.
Honestly both are good cars. 9th gen Si hasn't had any synchro problems. ST rarely has clutch issues.
They are both fun cars, ST is faster/more fun stock but more expensive.
If you're the kind of guy that likes to fully customize or build a car then the Si is the better choice. However if you just want a car to get in and have fun with i would suggest the ST.
I'll figure it out later, but for now I'm getting a bit more sleep and waking up bright and early to go harass car salesmen.
Ideally I'd like to build a car from the ground up, but that's a goal that I don't have time nor tools for currently. I don't want to rice the shit out if my car, just maybe a few basic performance parts that'll help, but not full-on rice.
Not who you are replying to but...
Sounds like you need to test drive the Civic Si sedan, and an ST back to back.
I'm more partial to the Si, as they've been great cars since the beginning, and the ST's haven't really made as huge of a mark (at least state side.)
Good luck bro, and post what you thought about driving them after.
Huh, the thread is still up.
So far I've driven all the Subarus, the Fords, and the Civic Si. I'm about to drive around the V6 Accord Coupe now.
The WRX STi had VERY low miles, and felt great. The Non-STI felt weak in comparison, and I hated the way it looked. The Impreza felt like an econobox, and didn't enjoy it nearly as much as the STi Hatch.
The Ranger drove nicely, and I know trucks last forever. It was pretty boring, but for my needs it was extremely practical. The Focus ST felt nice, but the Fiesta ST drove and handled better. The Civic Si didn't feel nearly as good when driving, but it was pretty nice. Had a better interior than the Fiesta.
The Mazda3 is pretty good... but I found a Mazdaspeed3 at the same Scion dealership I'm going to.
So far, I've narrowed down the list a bit
>WRX STi Hatch
>Ford Fiesta ST
Yeah, that's probably going to be the biggest issue. I'm really liking the STi, but being a single, white male, under 25 the thing will be a bitch to insure. I'll have to call USAA and see how much it would be.
Yeah Cobb makes a really good kit for the FiST.
If you plan on installing it all yourself it will only cost you around $3k. Totally worth it though if you aren't planning on staying stock.
Nigger, I already have plenty of savings and I even have a few stocks.
I'm not interested in buying a cheap shitbox car, I've been driving cheap shitbox cars since I was 15. I want something new or relatively new.
Recaros were a must have for me, interior felt a little to plain econobox without them.
Not that it's not a plain econobox interior, it's just a plain econobox interior with recaro seats.
Traded my FiST for a Civic SI. No regrets.
The CR-Z has piss poor rear visibility, which is surprising given its a hatch. That alone disuaded me from buying one, since I don't want to gamble every time I make a lane change.
I'd vote for the Mazda 3 or Impreza hatch depending on where you live (you might need AWD more often throughout the year).
Mine were stiff until ~5000 miles or more. Around 15k miles now and they've broken in excellently and I'm decently large (6'2"/210), however, they do occasionally generate aggro from passengers.
My guess.. Too big for the seats in the Fist. The civic si is a fantastic car with a more comfortable ride and more cabin space than the St. However the St is mothafuggin tizziggt if you sub, 200lbs and like to boogie in traffziccics knowhaimsayin?