What made the Evolution such a popular car in the mid 00s? Looking

The Evo was usually faster than the STI, actually, and before 2011 or so they were great bang for your buck.

>>14257984
>popular
its being discontinued from lack of sales

>WRX STI
>better and cheaper

>blows up bone stock or retuned
>can't go past 300whp without new internals
>2 year old models sell almost as much as new models

>if you don't care about the AWD you can get way more horses out of a Focus RS or something.

since fucking when does a mid 00s focus RS have over 300 horses, or even come close to being as fast around a track as an Evo VIII

>>14257984
OP there's so many wrongs in your post.

>faster around track than an STI
>massive turbo is more fun
>ricaro seats stock because race car bro
>better looking
>more reliable engine

WRX is a better DD since it's more comfy to drive normally, and also more practical. But Evos are breddy gud too.

>>14257984
Because it let people who can't drive RWD platforms good be fast with lolAWD. That's literally the only reason it's popular. Overpriced as fuck because of that. Also, STI isn't a better car, it's worse.

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>tfw newest Mazdaspeed3 is going to be AWD

>>14258072
Le drivetrain biased man

>>14257984
>the WRX STI is a better car
>you can get way more horses out of a Focus RS or something

First of all, I'm not saying the Evo is objectively better than the STI because they both have their ups and downs. With that being said - are you fucking retarded? You absolutely cannot get more power out of an STI, a Focus RS, "or something." 4B11s and especially 4G63s are fucking MONSTERS when it comes to making horsepower, that's why there's so many 800+ hp Evos. That's literally their biggest selling point is the ridiculous ease of making power out of them.

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>>14258073
>get excited
>see this grill design

I fucking hate modern car design jesus christ

>>14257984
Mitsubishi is dead

>>14258266
Don't hate the grill, hate the sloping beltline

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>>14258278
>tfw the only car Mitsubishi bothers advertising is a fucking CUV

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>>14258266

They'll probably do something to make it more aggressive REEE FROG looking than a stock Mazda3.

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A reminder: It is still the world's most competitive platform in time attack

10 YEARS LATER

It still reigns supreme over GT-R and Porsche platforms. Why is this?

>>14258335
fucking

G
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>>14258335

>tfw Porsche and Mitsubishi both have glorious civilian-murdering pedigree

>>14258072
>drivetrain meme

Fuck off Itsuki you 85 aspie.

>>14258335
*in the AWD class

And probably because of cost. You can make a competetive evo time attack car for the same as the cost of a stock gtr

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Why is the CT9A the premier platform for trackday weapons, a full decade later? I thought someone would have caught up by now.

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>>14258363
No, friend. Even in the Unlimited classes, where the best Porsche, GM LS, Nissan, STI, rotary and Lotus tuners compete. They still cannot hold a candle to the top Lancer Evolution teams.

They have no excuse. They cannot beat a 10 year old car.

>>14258380
>trackday weapons

Are people actually this gay? "Trackday" weapons? I can feel your NEET status from here, daddy's boy.

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>>14258395
>>14258380
>>14258335

ultimate fanboi mode: unlocked

The 4G63 never had an aluminum block wtf are you talking about OP

>>14258278
Fuck you Ken Kobayashi

>>14258395
The unlimited class is still separated by drive train in super lap battle and it's subsidiaries.

If you mean hill climbs, then it's obvious awd has an advantage on low grip stage type time attacks

>>14257984
Go away Ken Block.

>>14258380

Why is Mitsubishi no longer making it then? Or any Evo? Why do they only produce gutted Lancers and cucked out 4 cylinder shitbox mallcrawlers? Eh faggot?

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>>14258406
Shieeeeet

>>14258435
Cucking is for Americans. Get out of here John Smith.

>>14258435
The masses don't care about fun. They sneer at our turbocharged i4, V8 and anything with better performance than a Camry, while drooling over luxury brands and Italian supercars.

"I want to buy a Lambo and take it through the Maccas drive through."

>>14258435
Low sales and everyone is getting on the economic cars bandwagon.

>>14258299
That looks way better because it doesn't have the retarded whateverthefuck on the bottom of the grill.

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>>14258435
Sports cars are unprofitable.

>>14258457
Maybe in Straya, but it hasn't gotten to your levels in the states yet, sure people admire Italians but the Pony cars did come back due to demand, Mitsubishi is just suffering from horrible management currently

>>14258486
It's not just Mitsubishi over here, sadly. We're losing the V8 Commodore and inline 6 Falcon. Anything even remotely fun warrants normies bellowing about overcompensating and dangerous hoon vehicles.

>>14258484

That's always been true, so by your logic no one would ever make a sports car. That has nothing to do with Shitsubishi discontinuing it.

It's because they were getting REKT by Subaru and the other cheap hothatches like the Speed3 and Focus ST/RS. No one is going to spend 40 grand on a riced out Lancer when they can spend 28 grand on a Riced out Ford or Mazda and get very similar performance.

inb4 explosive butthurt diarrhea from fanbois

>>14258552
True, but isn't Straya getting the Mustang? If GM was smart they'd build the Camaros in the old Commodore factories and V8s would still riding to Valhalla

>>14258565
I don't know anon, the EVO X MRs are worth every bit of what's asked for

>>14258007
>untrue
>untrue
>there's a reason for it

>>14257997
>The Evo was usually faster than the STI

The gap was always small enough that driver skill would be more likely to determine the winner.

>>14258574
Yea we have mustangs now

>>14258613
GM should repurposed those Commodore factories, you guys should have our Pony cars to replace the Commodores and Falcons

>>14258578

The interior is absolute shit. For a car of that price and supposed calibre, leaving such a big loose end is inexcusable.

inb4 that's not why you buy an Evo etc. I don't give a fuck, put a decent interior in it, not some cheesey Fisher Price plastic tonka dogshit dash

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>>14257984
and then there's this...

>>14258621

No, they're going to be re-tooled to build Chevy Cruzes and FWD Impalas with V6 engines.

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>>14258623

Just look at this fucking garbage.

>>14258574
We're getting the V8 and Ecoboost, though it leaves a gaping hole in the ute market.

>GM
>smart

Not after killing off the Torana remake and selling us a rebadged Cruze instead.

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>>14258647

>tfw your car culture is slowly being murdered by crippling government regulations and The Eternal Jew

Holy fuck. Canadian here, I'm glad we're still so close to the bosom of America that we get all the awesomeness they do. Saw some guy driving a Boss302 in a blizzard last night, and at least half a dozen Camaros with snowtires parked at the mall.

Feels good man.

>>14258672
yeah but stupid fucking ricers and stance fags are ruining it for everyone.

car crushing didnt exist before ricers started killing themselves street racing. "loud exhaust" citations didn't exist before ricers. checks for engine swaps and cats never existed before ricers. i bet there will be some regulation about wheel and tire fitment that will fuck with people actually interested in performance not just stancefag shit.

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In 30 years the only thing you'll see is Lancers with aftermarket EVO kits and 4g63 swap they took out if an old junkyard naturally aspirated Eclipse that they turbocharged themselves.

>>14258714

The level of (over)regulation in Australia is astounding. First they took your guns, now they're taking your cars.

Nannystate when? You guys are gonna be UK 2.0, I hope you know that.

Hope you've got a licence for that butter knife, m8.

>>14258637
That's some shit, I was hoping they would have switched over to the Alpha platform and made some new RWD, that's just fucking sad

>>14258580
>untrue

don't make me start linking you literally dozens of forum posts every week of people blowing up brand new WRX STis after 3-4 months

these cars blow up so often i have no clue how they have the reputation for reliability they have, ffs i know 2 people who have had broken ringlands on fairly new cars. never beat the shit out of them either

they make turbo rotaries look reliable.

>>14258623
>>14258646
the interior of the subarus arent much better ffs they're both still $16-19k imprezas and lancers they both feel like plastic dogshit they have very little sound deadening and they both rattle and squeak hard

>>14258632
pity (you)

golf R is decent though

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>>14257984
>the WRX STI is a better car

Not only is that not true the STI is also worse for the intended application which is ricing your shit to 600hp or more

Also subarus have piss poor styling, EVOs are semi attractive on the other hand

>>14258646
Sit in one in real life, it's Nissan Versa tier.

>>14257984
>Subaru with glass trans and blown ring land under stock boost ever being better than evos.
Top kek

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My mitsubishi dealership still has 30 2015 models for sale. They have 6 Final editions and they want $48K for them each. I think mitsubishi way overestimated how valuable these cars are, especially the rise in American Muscle. Tuner cars were cool in the early 2000's but the v8 made a comeback and Mitsubishi didn't adapt.

>>14258807
Shit you fucker you always post these and it always makes me sad that I still cant afford one

Which is objectively better? The 4G63T or the 4B11T

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>>14258817
I know it makes me sad too. I get off work and go there just to look at them.

>>14258807
They thought they could get away with charging the same price that the others like Toyota and Nissan did during the 90s, I actually like the MR's interior and really like the car from a design/technology stand point, its a shame its a dead end

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>>14258807

They assumed the young guys who bought used Evos when they were 21 would continue buying them into their late 20's/early 30's. They didn't account for changing demographics, and the fact that their Evo also costs nearly 50 grand (instead of 10-15 grand that bought a used one).

I think a lot of people just got sick of them, too. I know I have. Every other car on the road is a fucking Lancer, I'm so goddamn tired of seeing these cars everywhere.

Even if a younger guy could afford to buy/finance one of these, the monthly insurance costs would be goddamn retarded too. Oh, and let's not forget what it costs to do a brake job on a fucking Evo.

They've become financially stagnant and visually unappealing. Especially the interiors, they're complete trash.

I feel like these cars are gonna hemorrhage value like crazy, they won't be the collector's item Mitsubishi thinks they are.

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>>14258807
How come Subaru dealers can charge thousands over sticker on the WRX and STI and still sell a shit ton of them then?

What makes the WRX/STI so much more appealing to people?

>>14258877

>paying more than MSRP
>even paying MSRP

Fuck that noise. They will sell it to you for MSRP if you push them, you just need to buy near the end of the year when they're desperate to make room for new inventory.

>>14258266
yep they're like competing with ford with who will have the shittiest design

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>>14258877
Subaru is much more popular, it's a brand normies recognize. They also have maintained and updated the exterior and interior on a regular basis, mitsubishi was almost untouched since 2008. The 2015 has regular Lancer seats instead of Recaro seats and charging the same as the 2014 which was another pathetic move by mitsubishi.

>>14258877
Marketing.

Subaru mastered the advertising Jew. A Subaru wagon is the go to automobile for a dyke, her moon-sister and two dogs, and the WRX/STi is synonymous with boy racers.

>>14258072

I love how /o/tist scream lolcantturn.jpg because muscle and pony cars love to break traction at any RPM, but these understeermobiles are lauded after when their factory setup is shit for dirt.

I'll buy a 1g Talon or Laser if I can't find a good priced RWD car, though.

>>14258896

>shittiest design

>hurrr durr it's not some geometric 1980's eyesore a-la-MR2 so it's SHEEEEIT

This is literally your mindset, and most people on /o/. The new Mazda3 hatches look really decent, as do the new Focus STs. You're a dildo 2bh m8.

>>14258919

Not to mention they're appealing to the safety-conscious mothers, the ever-jewish carbuyer who wants minimal maintenance and maximum reliability, and the over-cucked 40-something male who is too high in the company to drive a domestic car brand, but too low on the ladder to drive a Lexus or a Porsche.

They have every base covered. Maximum jewry achieved.

>>14258912
Aren't WRX/STIs irrelevant to normies though? They don't want a manual car that gets mediocre fuel economy to haul their wife's kids and dogs around. Seems weird that they can still make them desirable without ever advertising those cars.

Who actually buys Mitsubishi though? Is it just subprime people like the average Kia owner?

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>>14258586
Top Gear's tests consistently had the Evo winning out. Same driver in both cars. The Evo is probably the better track car but I prefer the Subaru just because.

>>14258623
That's because Mitsubishi's performance department is small, and they put all their money into making it go fast. The Subaru's interior is crap too. I've been chasing rattles in mine for its entire life.

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>>14258966

Guys in their early 30's working a mid-level office job are the primary drivers of WRX/STIs. They have the capital to buy and maintain one, as well as the unquenched thirst to do something fun with their lives. Sadly, they are cucked into an office building 5-7 days of the week, breaking their balls for the Eternal Jew. The only time spent driving their vehicle is to and from the office. Any additional time with the car is spent getting recall/warranty work done, or cleaning it for their next instagram/imgur photo spread.

It's important to note that none of these "men" know how to drive very well, let alone possess the ability to bring an STI to its limits. It's a badge and an image they're trying to cultivate; look guys, I'm semi-successful but I still like to have fun! Oh god someone please notice me my mother keeps asking when I'm going to sell this thing and find a nice girl and have some babies please god I want a minivan so I can settle into middle-class cuckoldry please someone help me...

>>14258912
>Subaru is much more popular, it's a brand normies recognize

This isn't true in europe, in fact its pretty much the other way around unless maybe the weird fucking scandis do shit different
>>14258966
>Who actually buys Mitsubishi though?

Here depending on the model its poorfags, people that genuinely want utility, poorfags that want a ''luxury'' suv but cant afford their highly desired X6, slavs, fucking slavs love mitsubishi, normal people that just want a cheap car and bought the lancer because the styling was neat, and finally richfag cuntboys buying the evos

On the other hand I have genuinely ran into more 458s than base imprezas, and dont think I ever ran into an STI aside from a gc8

>>14259011
In America they play these ads at least 5 times per TV show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ejNpqhOLEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aerv5xYhz2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sJrv1uWF6Q

Everyone is exposed to their marketing, but they never show a WRX, STI, or BRZ ad on TV. I'm not even sure how they sell them, I just presume when beta husbands take their wives to buy an Outback they plead their case to their wife to let them buy a WRX too or something.

>>14259047
Its probably the entire US boyracer population keeping the wrx/sti up, judging by the ones that post here they sure do hate EVOs as well

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You are all fags.

>>14258983
L-lewd!

Evo was ahead of its time. It just never improved. Over time, the Evo simply deteriorated due to the advancements in tech which made it not so special anymore.

>>14259047
>>14259081
Also fuck their base cars are depressing, I mean I generally prefer the EVOs but like the wrx/sti as well, but those normie tier cars you posted just SCREAM kuckland and alimony, for fucking real

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>>14259047

What does every one of those commercials have in common? Some pathetic, shlubbish-looking cuck of a man.

>look at the workhorse, he mows the lawn and buys the RELIABLE, DEPENDABLE crossover for his FAMILY'S sake
>look at fat dog-loving loser, he may suffer from crippling depression but at least he's got a dog and an Impreza! they'll never let him down or tell him he's too fat and ugly!
>the faggot weekend warrior with the unacceptably attractive girlfriend who should be dating an 8/10 not this 3/10 manlet
>now she's picking out his clothes and watching him fail at basic displays of traditional masculinity! cuck him harder! you go girl!

Subaru is the most disgusting brand right now, I swear to fucking god. Their commercials make me physically ill, moreso than recent Ford ads that use the "THIS IS MY FIGHT SONG" shit.

What a horrible time to be alive.

The evo is balls to the wall performance car
It was neutered when it was introduced to the American market for some reason

check records for your local tracks, evos will always be up the top

>>14259116
didn't they pretty much deliver US evo10s with inferior drivetrain quality?

Imho mitsu has never given fuck about that market, which is why so many americans think evos are inferior to stis, while euros like the evos more

>>14258552

commodore still sells assloads pity it is going, falcon meanwhile has been outsold by the c class Benz. The Australian market is so media driven, vw and Mazda are always getting great reviews by Australian media and this has translated into great sales for both, Toyota sells on reputation but I believe that rep is being chipped away by media types who are selling themselves to the highest bidder.

My parents sold their commodore based off the whole media idea that Aus cars are the most expensive to run and are shit quality. The Mazda 3 that replaced it has ended up with higher running cost, fuel cost being almost the same as the commodore, service more expensive and to top it off a tcm dying a few months past warranty. Being in a coastal area the Mazda is starting to rust bad and also it as noisy as fuck inside, my gf panda that she bought for 10k brand new is quieter to ride in

>>14259101
This lol, I always wanted an STI but their recent styling fuckup and the general brand recognition will keep me far away

Fuck that shit

Although I will change my mind if they actually put the WRX concept into production, because hnnnnnnhg, but the current lancer copy cat is just 2sad4me

>>14259129
NA Market Evo 8-9s never got AYC, only ACD and received a older rear differential less prone to power oversteer mechanically similar to the one from the Evo 3

I used trucar and bought a 2015 WRX for 24k.

>>14259144
And what about 10s? I remember reading about them being build to a lower standard, any truth to that?

>>14259144
This
They gimped it so it would be safer for Americans to druve

You know the can't turn meme is true when manufacturers tailor a cars handling to a specific market

>>14259141

got a link to it?

They fucked up when they made an FWD shitbox that looked exactly like their loud and angry sports car.

>>14259157
It's not can't turn, Americans have the highest proportion of racetracks and winding roads

It's more like Mitsubishi knowing a good chunk of Evo buyers were going to be 17-21 year old kids coming in with their parents and buying them as first cars.

Could you imagine if they power oversteered how many more Evos American teenagers would've punted into ditches, wrapped around trees, flew off cliffs, spun into oncoming traffic, etc? Why else do you think they cost so much to insure.

>>14259244
majority of merican drivers can't turn
amount of tracks etc that's just a result of having such a large population of bad drivers who need a safe environment to crash

>>14258892
>They will sell it to you for MSRP
>paying msrp

this is what they want you to do

>>14259297

That's like everything. If people actually knew what a product's manufacturing cost was, compared to what they pay at the shelf, they'd shit themselves. Especially on clothing, electronics, and automotive stuff. Horrendous margins on the first two, and varying on cars. Some vehicles it's like 5%, others it's like 50-60%. Given the fact that Shitsubishi has been recycling the same crappy tech, gimmicks, design, and interior for a decade now, they're easily pocketing 40% or more.

>>14258335
Because WTAC and RLTA have a spec tire with no limits on engines. When your only real limit is your ability to hook up nearly 1000 horsepower through 235 section width street tires, light weight and AWD are by far the biggest concerns.

>>14259725

exploding diffs all day nigga

>>14259771
The tires will let go long before the drivetrain.

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>>14259047
Did they seriously put a Deliverance reference in there?

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>>14259821

Not if you're running Pirelli ® P-ZERO™ tires.

>>14258807
$48k for FE. They probably don't want to sell them. My local dealer has the FE listed at $37 and boy they can't keep any on their lot for more than a day.

>>14259949

Gay_Street_Ad.jpg

>>14257984
The WRX STi comes with more power stock but the Evo has more potential. You buy an STi if you want to fuck 14-year olds, an Evo if you want to become a Finnish rally champion.

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>>14259176
A bit late but here

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>>14263186
>Finns

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>>14263209
You know, I understand that they had to "tone it down" for the production car because of regulations and things like that, but they really should have kept more of the spirit of the tail end. The production model looks like a fucking corolla.

>>14263974
Everything looks like a Corolla or generic shoe-shaped hatchback these days. I couldn't tell the difference between a Mazda 3 and a 1 series BMW hatch.

>>14258072
Why do rwd people keep trying to paint themselves as underdogs? They're the biggest benchracers

>>14263960
If you want to win, hire a Finn

>>14259002
this is probably really true

Seems to be the case at the engineering company I work at anyways.

Focus STs also.

>>14257984
>Plus the block is aluminum, so you can't get much out of putting more boost into it...
some stock engines with a computer tune and increased boost and compression were able to produce as much as 600 horses if not more
it's not really underpowered considering it can do 0-60 in 5 seconds if not less

>>14258354
>Mitsubishi
>murder machine

Got a source to back this up?

>>14266382
Pearl Harbor.

>>14257984
Corners and country roads are why I bought mine

>>14258833
>''So who's this guy that comes at our park everyday and is just looking and taking pictures of our cars?''

>>14259011
>fucking slavs love mitsubishi

no we don't

>>14258732
>That front bumper
>That BL!!!!!!!!!!!!TZ INTERCOOLER


MY HEART

>>14266409
What this guy said.

Us slavs are too busy driving cheap old BMWs and VWs and fantasizing about Skylines and Supras

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>>14266393
I get there around midnight. They might have cameras and see me maybe but there hasn't been any efforts to keep me off the lot. Usually dealerships Park cars and block the entry ways.

>>14266473
>Skylines and Supras

Really, I thought slavs only liked tacky MBs and other assorted fascistmobiles.

>>14257984
>saying shit without owning either

i really like my 08 MR, it's stupid easy to drive, and a lot of fun, cobb's stage 3 is all i feel like it needed over stock

fucking everyone and their grandmother has a wrx or sti, they're boring as hell imo

>>14257984
serious question, I like the look of evo's, but why does everyone complain about their "glass transmission" it kind of put me off wanting one because supposedly it's so common on the cars to replace them.

>>14266474
stalker mode: engaged

>>14266501
some people don't want to be associated with the stereotypes

>>14267176
EVO 5 speed tranny is super tough and reliable.

>>14267176
The 5 speed isn't glass, the MR's dual clutch is. Kind of. The stock clutches can't handle over 350tq and going further the computer will have a hard time understanding what's going on.

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>>14266382
The "Legendary" Japanese fighter plane from WWII was the Mitsubishi Zero. We bombed Nagasaki with the nuke because the Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works factory was there.

>>14267725
Please. I agree that we should have dropped the bombs but that late in the war we had total air power. We were bombing the shit out of them night and day.

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>>14267800
The Mitsubishi factory was making more than just zeros, dude. It was vital to the infrastructure of Japan and its military.

>>14258007
>>can't go past 300whp without new internals

that's the wrx and sti you're thinking of.

>>14267176
you're probably thinking of the 6-speed from the Evo 8/9

it's not "glass" like the WRX's 5-speed, but it is weaker than the Evo 5-speeds

>>14258354
There's something satisfying about this.

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>>14257984
kek

>>14258647
>though it leaves a gaping hole in the ute market
No it doesn't, not when they're selling the infinitely more practical and utilitarian ranger.
And don't bother with the pretentious performance falcon utes. Complete with ox cart rear end, yet still limited 550kg payload.