>>14257551 >he listens to internet memes It's way more than 70k moron >>14257560 Lol what 1 day rebuild every 10 to 15 years is SUCH A BITCH!!! Maintenance is normal. As is emissions >caring about emissions
>>14257558 Lol this You should never ever have to top up oil in a rotsry Read a honda or bmw owners manual it will say adding a quart every 1k miles is "normal" even though they don't burn oil purposely by design
>>14257565 > peak torque made on sequential turbo rotaries at 3k and carried alk way to redline >"but huur duur it doesn't have as much torkz as this diesel engine that revs half as high" Can you just get off this board please?
>>14257605 That's what I said, and they still burn less oil than bmws Hondas audis vws toyota etc Never once do I have to top up oil in my rotsry. I top my mitsubishi 4g64 and Buick 3800 up every week it seems
>>14257612 Have you owned a rotary? Nope? Then shut the fuck up and stop regurgitating conjecture you stupid cunt. Rotaries are dead because they blow. Only fags like you think rebuilding an engine is an acceptable maintenance task. Its not.
>>14257653 >>14257658 RX8. Sorry, rotaries are trash and everyone knows this. 200k is not something to be proud of anyways. Besides, you got lucky. Most rotary owners are not. Only delusional fucks who get a hard on for a meme engine would even bother arguing otherwise. The wankel is a poor engine design inherently and nothing can ever be done about that.
>>14257670 >>14257682 Actually liking cars doesn't mean pissing money away on a flawed motor design. Sorry. Wankel a shit. Catastrophic failure should not be the norm for anything but a race car. If you wish to piss money and time away on a chinsy motor always a turn away from death power to you but don't think you aren't a naive fool.
>>14257701 > catastrophic failure Good thing this doesn't happen with rotaries then Enjoy shitting a rod out the block or dropping a valv and being straight fed on the side of the road. If an apex seals gets munched I can still drive home
>>14257636 I'm the anon from the other night. Car has 2 documented rebuilds at 142k. I am actually working on the third rebuild. I honestly believe that the previous owner was a complete jack ass and did not treat the car well other wise I wouldn't be needing to rebuild it for a third time. Also turbo rotaries go through engines much faster than NA.
>>14257862 The FB's body style is my preference, however I don't like TTL on the FC opposed to the LRA on the FB. The FB feels more stable to me. I like how the FC looks. The Miata with a rotary swap I think would be better than an FC to add.
I moved from Ausland to the United States, and love it. I have business partners in Alberta who have to lay-off so many people now that foreign oil wells are opening up, and the price of CAD is taking a dive.
Because they're overrated? Seriously Why would I buy a rotary to waste gas, when there are much better cars out there for doing that. Like seriously, why do retards cream over these cars like baby boomers over mediocre 60's shitboxes?
Yeah sure some rotary's are good cars. The Rx7 was great. the Rx8, it's debatable. But that's all. They're just good cars. There are miles better cars out there. Like I've driven both luckily and the Rx7 is definitely a great car. But, honestly I'd rather have a 911 from the same era. I just don't get the hype. Someone explain to me the hype.
>>14257974 They are special snowflakes and take great pride in their constant engine rebuilds. Shit is stupid. The RX8 sucks and the RX7 is old. Fan boys are the worst with every brand but the mazda wankel type certainly have the smallest cocks.
>>14258054 oh lordy the motors suck. this is fact. only with a wankel is a rebuild with under 100k considered normal. but hey anon here with rebuild three at 140k or my neighbor who lasted 80k totally aren't the norm. maybe you are actually just lucky.
But when I drove both the Rx7 and 8 I felt nothing. There is no real sense of excitement like in other sports cars. The handling in the Rx7 was incredible I couldn't fault that. But it was just flat, and didn't excite me at all.
It was like climbing into bad with a super hot girl, and then finding out she is awful in bed. I was horribly disappointing. Then they guys who car it was took offence when I told him. That didn't help either.
>>14257725 >light >over 400lbs >costs thousands >200-500$ chebby truck motor weighs <100lbs more and makes 1.5x the hp and 2x the torks >dorito lasts <100k miles lolapexseals >chebby lasts >250k miles >chebby gets better gas milage >both burn oil >cam/head chebby for 400$ and make 500hp
Aluminum block chebby truck motors are literally less than 500$, literally cost less than 1000$ to swap into a rotory, and are literally better all-around motors than doritos.
>>14258093 I don't think you can objectively say Wankel's are shit motors because they do a lot of things extremely well that piston engines don't. They have flaws but what do you expect when Mazda has been the only manufacture to develop the concept.
Longevity can be solved by using two-stroke premix and if you are inclined rotaries can easily be disassemble/service by yourself. It isn't rocket science to go past 120k on these engines.
>>14258179 Literally. Im not usually a massive faggot to use that word, but aluminum block chebbys are exponentially better than iron housing rotorys. If you feel like shelling out thousands for an all aluminum 13/20b though, fucking do it. If i had an rx7, i'd drop a rebuilt vortec 5.3 in for less than 2k$ and never have to touch the engine again.
>>14258194 Don't be a flaming faggot, that's not true for everything.
>>14258215 this. >>14258151 you can get LM7 (iron) for that but even then its hard to get everything needed to run it at that price like harness, pcm, TAC module (03+), pedal. any aluminum block truck engine is gen4 so you need all of that. also the truck intake doesn't fit with any known RX swap kit so that means at minimum LS1 complete intake swap or cowl hood (rice)
>>14258211 The fully dressed alu block truck motor i bought for 350$ on friday weighs 380lbs. >>14258215 Get some glasses and look harder nigger. Get some fabbing skills and 200$ in tools and you can do it for 700$ >>14258237 This so much. >>14258254 ??? You can pick up everything you need and a motor for less than 700$ at a junkyard. Iron block swaps you can do with some simple tools (200$) and a 400$ truck off craigslist.
>>14258304 I didn't say they go instantly down hill from that point on... I've seen well taken care rotaries go beyond 200k working like new without "velvet gloves" or terrible emissions.
Sure apex seals go but again use two-stroke and it will go for a long time. Even longer if you get a decent rebuild with quality seals on the rotors.
You still haven't provided a good reason as to why they legitimately suck btw.
>>14258348 I never said longevity wasn't an important issue with Wankel's, I'm just stating that they don't deserve the lol80krebuild reputation they get because they can go much further than that with proper maintenance.
Although yes for a consumer vehicle Wankel's aren't really suited for people who can't be bothered to change their oil on schedule.
>>14258293 if you got the engine dressed for that cheap then I'm envious. My fully dressed gen3 LM7 was $850 so just know that either you lucked up or you particular market must be saturated with them.
>>14258387 The fact of the matter is the wankel engine is an inherently poor design. There is just no getting around the apex seal being dry. And no matter how good of luck you've had with old RX7s the fact of the matter is even religiously following mazdas maintenance schedules their 80k lifespan is not a meme. It is general fact that the mazda rotary is severely lacking in the reliability department. No reasonable person would every choose a wankel. I get that you like them but they in fact do suck. 120k is not something to be proud of and further mileage are not the norm. Wankels are dead for a reason and it isn't just their god awful emissions.
>>14258401 Jesus christ where do you live? Vortech 5.3's with 80-150k miles are like 100-200$ around here and lm7's you can get for under 500$ with less than 150k. You can get full salvage title 05+ gm trucks for under a grand and running clean title 90-00's for like 6-800
Even though they're iron blocks, the vortech 5300's are the best choice, because for 500$, you can get a cam, full intake, set of headers, and a 3" exhaust and make over 500hp and 600lb/ft
>>14258459 like I said bro different markets but some of that price is also in the guy pulling it out because of his shop insurance wouldn't let me or I could've gotten it for 600 complete. Average price in my area for a wrecked silverado is about 2500 and all the wrecking yards went from pricing based off cubic inch like the old days to prorated value of whole vehicle. Fucking jews man.
>>14258434 >There is just no getting around the apex seal being dry. Yes there is, I've stated that using two-stroke premix will solve the sort longevity. It lubes up the whole rotor housing through the fuel injectors
>even religiously following mazdas maintenance schedules their 80k lifespan is not a meme. Okay, but keeping up with maintenance combined with two-stroke is what pushes the rebuild time much further out. It isn't the engines fault that the owner didn't understand the proper measures to extend its life.
>mazda rotary is severely lacking in the reliability department Again another stupid meme that puts the wrong image. Wankel's are actually quite immune to catastrophic failure due to their extremely simple design IF they are properly maintained for. Most the time they suffer compression loss and reduced power if something does break.
>Wankels are dead for a reason and it isn't just their god awful emissions. They are dead because they didn't scale fast enough to their piston counterparts fuel efficiency to power output along side emissions. But how is that the engines fault when Mazda only develops it?
>>14258521 In the sense that an excessive amount of time between the metal parts it lubricates will burn the oil- But other engines aren't pissing it directly into the fucking combustion chamber from the factory.
>>14257701 > calls the mazda 'rotary' engine a wankel design
lol go read a book or something
> Catastrophic failure should not be the norm for anything but a race car. you're serious aren't you? what kind of catastrophic failure are you talking about? blown seals? you can still drive it on low compression
>>14258592 Mazda should design and market it as a two stroke then, and have a separate oil tank etc. You can only judge an engine fairly this way. If you did reliability mods and procedures on any other engine it would perform better too, and most likely leave the rotary behind again.
>>14258550 Ironically enough the engine purposefully pissing oil into the combustion chamber drinks less than the ones that don't burn oil by design
Honda literally says that having to throw a quart of oil in every 1k miles is normal on their brand new cars in their owners manual A rotsry doesn't ever need to he topped up with oil unless there's a severe problem with the metering pump and it's injecting like four times as much
> The majority of complaints say that they were told from Honda and dealership mechanics that it wasnormalfor a powertrain to burn a quart of oil every 1,000 miles. The class-action suit claims Honda refused to honor its warranties and instead told people to check their oil every time they stop for gas. Yep, "normal". http://www.hondaproblems.com/trends/excessive-oil-consumption/
>>14258683 In brand new shit, yeah, because they're still in a break in period around that time where parts are seating and impregnating the wear surface they're going to be spending their life against.
>>14258737 Even with that, there's still recommended break in periods and procedures. >>14258753 That seemed more like a Honda problem than an architecture problem, but is beside the point in that it isn't something designed into the engine to overcome a crippling design fault.
>>14258713 Why are asian manufacturers like honda and nissan plagued with so many oil consumption problems? I've owned 30 year domestic vehicles and literally never had to add a drop of oil to any of them.
>>14257548 >apex seals aren't an issue, rotary emissions aren't bad, and don't require extra maintenance. so what you're saying is... that you're a moron who has no idea what he's talking about? okay, just making sure we're all on the same page
>>14259872 Sooooo, let's see what we've got here. I've put an iron block vortec 5300 into a lexus sc400, costing a whopping grand total of 1300$, an lm7 into a foxbody for less than 1400 (forgot how much), and you've thrown insults on an anonymous Chinese cartoon imageboard proving nothing while i try to come and spread my knowledge to these kind mentally disabled children. I could literally buy an mt fc rx7 for 1400$ on craigslist right now and swap an alu block motor into it fully drivable while spending no more than 2500$ on the whole project.
>>14260732 Have you ever been to a junkyard? Look on fleabay/cl and used tig's are under 100$, and air tools are a dime a dozen. Compressors are also cheap as fuck if you are a goon and are dumb enough to not have one. Also, heres a good website to find cheap chebby swaps www.google.com Just go to the search bar and type in cheap chevy v8 swap Its actually pretty cool imo its a great thing to have in this age of modern technology
>>14262218 You can buy a set of rotor housings for as low as 200$ but you hardly ever need to replace them. Even if a bit of a seal chips and scores it it's not the end of the world. You'll lose compression a bit but it's still driveable. Then when you pull it apart, which takes 3 hours, it's very easy to identify what's wrong and to replace it. Keep in mind losing compression isn't going to make it a dead cylinder type of deal, it still works just not to it's full potential.
>>14257461 get a big v8 and enjoy pulling on rx7's and rx8's while getting the same fuel efficiency and not having to open your hood every time to let it cool or fill it up with oil all the time or generally having a broken car.
>>14257560 >Apex seals are a BITCH. No, they aren't. They are a wear point and will be replaced every once in a while. It's no different than having to get new tires, or a new clutch, or new brakes, or an oil change. >Emissions are GARBAGE. They actually aren't that bad and with a decent exhaust they can still pass smog in CA. >And the maintenence schedule is atrocious Only if you don't take care of it, which is the same as on any engine.
Also, the oil changes aren't that bad. If you add a small premix to your gas you don't have to worry about the oil injection. It doesn't even burn that much oil, and oil changes every 3k should be fine.
Gas is going to be getting cheaper now that the Iran deal happened.
Either way, I wouldn't get an RX-8 just because of all the unburnt fuel that likes to find its way into the exhaust, warming up the cabin and maybe even melting some stuff. It's just not nice. Now an FB RX-7 I'd like to have, but just for the novelty factor.
>>14257722 We live in the real world, anon. A world where, as much as we like cars, have realistic budgets to maintain. Nearly everyone is bound by this mindset, even when selecting a fun car. I might have the wherewithal to DD a Miata if I'm an enthusiast but I sure as shit couldn't do it if it only got 10mpg
>>14263856 For that amount of money you're better off finding an older fb rx7. The 12a is an extremely reliable and easy to maintain rotary engine but you'll still get in the habit of premix and normal maintenance. That and the cars handle great and are an absolute blast to drive. Its a good stepping stone in the rotary world. Also most rx8's were bought by people who didn't know the maintenance schedule and beat on them like an old camry. They were the wife's sports car for a while. If avoid like the plague unless you have service records.
>>14267378 That looks well taken car of and is very well priced. Fc's are priced really well right now, but like most 90s rwd sports cars, they are starting to climb in value. If that was closer to me I'd jump on it.
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