If you never had an italian car you won't reach car valhalla when you die.
Deal with it.
Alfa master race reporting in.
Can I introduce a new rule that says any Lancias that have been sold with a Chrysler badge, the Alfa Romeo Mito and non-GTA 147, and Fiats post 1970 that don't have "Coupe", "Dino", "Spider", "Abarth", "Barchetta" or "X1/9" in their names don't count?
Because it has a FIX IT AGAIN TONY engine
I was really thinking of the other 124 spider, to be honest.
>When were Alfas ever outstanding looking
Bah, when did Shakespeare ever write good plays? When did Alexander the Great ever see military success? What did Mozart contribute to music?
Don't have a picture , but I've owned a 1984 Pininfarina Spider Azzura for the past 5 years and used as daily driver. Love the car to death, never had any problems. Then again not made by Fix-It-Again-Tony
Porsche indeed is the best crossover company!
Those Germans are improving a lot lately. They found right suppliers with strictest QC. Sehr Gut.
Don't think there's a market for them in the US.
>Rudolf would be proud
>at the same level as Subaru
>one of the worst
Kia is dogshit, and Infinity is GOAT.
>tfw dad is thinking about giving me his 2011 Quattroporte
pls, I need that Italian beauty dad
Only driver's car is automatic only
Unreliable shitboxes that make 00s Chryser look good
Trackwhores, way better options for the price
Ferraris without the Ferrari badge (which is the only reason people buy them in the first place)
Priorities: Attention whoring and numbers
To be fair, those cars are largely bought by women and metrosexuals even here in Europe. The new New Beetle has partly managed to throw that off, and Cooper S and JCW Minis drive well enough that people seem willing to overlook the styling, but the core buyers of cars like these are still, in my experience the sort of people to own flowery skirts or pink chinos.
Well, if we just focus on their new stuff, Lanica IS irrelevant nowadays, Alfa QVs and the 4C ARE automatic only and, Abarth aside, Fiats ARE generic shitboxes aimed at teenagers and people who don't like cars.
>Fiats ARE generic shitboxes aimed at teenagers and people who don't like cars
You are wrong though. Nobody buys Fiats because they are the norm like Renaults, Peugeots and other brands. People buy Fiats because they genuinely like the cars.
I drive a Fiat Wrangler, thank you very much.
No, they'll probably say something about finance packages, or possibly how the like the little red bits on the seats.
You don't sell base model superminis by catering to enthusiasts.
>No, they'll probably say something about finance packages, or possibly how the like the little red bits on the seats.
Except base fiats are as expensive or even more expensive compared to the competition.
Well yeah, no-one's going to buy a car they don't like. Aiming to please people who, when you get right down to it, don't really care that much, though, as you have to in that segment, doesn't make for particularly interesting cars.
Not really. Punto sits between the Clio and the Fiesta price wise. Corsa's a fair bit cheaper, I'll admit, but that's presumably because they start with that NA 1.0l
>Not really. Punto sits between the Clio and the Fiesta price wise. Corsa's a fair bit cheaper, I'll admit, but that's presumably because they start with that NA 1.0l
And the Punto is still better built than the Fiesta.
The Corsa is cheaper because it's overall mediocre.
I mean Fiesta's a bit cheaper; Clio's a bit more expensive.
But yeah, I'm not saying the Punto is bad, so far as by-the-numbers B-segment superminis go. Just that it's silly pretend it's much more than that.
The new Tipo starts at €14500 fully loaded, most competition starts at €18k+.
It's true. You can get a used quattroporte for about 20-30k CAD right now. I'm very happy with the Saab I have now, I'm hoping to get five or so years out of it. After then, I'm hoping I'll have enough money to drop 10-15k on a used Mas. Beautiful cars.
The JTS is the best petrol engine economy and performance wise (I get about 32mpg).
As long as you pick one up that's been looked after and had the timing belt changed within the last 3 years you're fine.
Not much goes wrong with them other than some corrosion under the passenger footwell which will most likely have been sorted by now.
>you won't reach
I owned a car that was forged in the actuall halls of Valhalla.
That engine is a piece of shit. You ever so slightly look at it wrong and he'll present you with a repair bill verging on the thousands.
Now, you want to ask me how I know? I owned a Brera with that engine.
2.4jtd is unreliable as fuck.
Even if you were talking about the 170, pushing 200 through it would be pushing the envelope.
Plus, 400Nm is way to much for the DMF and clutch.
50K and there will be slippage if not sooner.
No one remaps a car to go around slowly.
People who do those remaps always change the clutch.
There's also a vid of an alfa 1.9 pulling 380hp/650Nm with some mods.
Fiat's diesel engines are goat.
No they don't.
The ones that do, usually end up changing a lot more than a single clutch and usually also dont stop at 200.
People that customize hardware are a very small percentage compared to the universe of remaps.
And btw, remaps should be banned.
>The ones that do, usually end up changing a lot more than a single clutch and usually also dont stop at 200.
Dude, pls. I've been on lots of forums and I've read a lot of stuff about people who do remaps. They usually only change the clutch on those 25% remaps.
I've got bad news for you son.
Real life a bit different. On forums you get a skewed view from the people that use the internet, and those once again compose a small percentage.
Dunno about the forums you visit, but the ones I do usually have real people showing their real cars.
I have a 1.3m-jet, I've been to a shop that does remaps and they literally told me I could easily go from 85hp/200Nm to 110hp/+250Nm without changing a thing with no impact to the general reliability of the engine.
Now, if I wanted a more agressive remap I would be looking to spend some money on a better clutch, change the headers and maybe even the IC.
You are of slow comprehension.
The people that show their cars online are a small percentage. Negligible. Do you understand it now?
Every remap compromises components. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
However tells "remaps don't damage anything" is simply marketing their shit. Remaps always remove the safety boundaries the engineers have put into the vehicles. Or go beyond that.
The 1.3 was designed for a useful life of 250.000Km. Anything beyond that is unknown territory. If anything I wouldn't even get near a small CC engine with remapping software.
Do whatever you feel like, I'm not here to educate you, nor am I here to have the remap vs no remap conversation for the 100th time.
If remaps were so good, cars would come out from factory with the horsepower level remaps offer you.
And no single electronics grease monkey on a back alley garage intricately knows more about an engine than a team of engineers that spent a decade designing it.
>The people that show their cars online are a small percentage. Negligible. Do you understand it now?
Engines are still the same.
>Every remap compromises components. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
Not really, no. Depends entirely on the remap.
>However tells "remaps don't damage anything" is simply marketing their shit. Remaps always remove the safety boundaries the engineers have put into the vehicles. Or go beyond that.
That's why they give you a warranty.
>The 1.3 was designed for a useful life of 250.000Km. Anything beyond that is unknown territory. If anything I wouldn't even get near a small CC engine with remapping software.
Pulled that out of your ass? I've seen lots of 1.3 multijets with more than 250k kms with general maintenance only/wear parts changed.
>>If remaps were so good, cars would come out from factory with the horsepower level remaps offer you.
>what are price brackets
>what is engine spec cannibalising
>what are emission restraints