I'm looking for something that will be
>hold its value
>I can drive for 15+ years
>can haul(nothing big, 16" fishing boat)
It looks like both can be had for $31,000
Which do you recommend? And what engine?
The new Impala.
Japanese cars are still made from the thinnest possible metal because japanese manufacturers still do not give a fuck and want you to buy new cars over and over again.
Top rusting cars are easily Nissans, Mazdas and Toyotas.
Cosmetic areas like rockers and quarter panels rusting isn't really a huge deal.
Unibody main rails/floor pans, bumper supports, subframes, radiator supports, etc. are a huge deal and japanese automakers dgaf.
I'd say get the 5.0 Coyote if possible. The Ecoboost engines are fine, until they need to be cleaned. Right now, there are no approved induction services available for them outside of taking off the heads and cleaning the valves by hand, because there have been reports of bits of carbon breaking off, going into the turbo and causing it to malfunction and overheat to the point of failure.
The 5.0 is a better performing engine and is more simple overall, so repairs/maintenance is easy.
If you want to tow any sort of equipment or other vehicle the trailer is going to be at least 2,000 lbs plus the equipment will be around another ton.
A 4.0 ranger is not going to tow 2 tons anywhere near safely.
>hold its value
>can drive for 15+ years
Literally the only thing the F150 can do well is haul stuff. It's fucking shit at everything else.
And the Tacoma can definitely haul a 16 inch fishing boat, so I don't see a reason not to buy it. It'll be infinitely more reliable, better build quality, better off-road without any modifications, looks nicer, and will not depreciate nearly as fast as the F150. Tacomas are one of the absolute best vehicles for value retention, whereas the F150 drops like a brick.
But really you should buy an LM002. Do it.
>do you really want a Japanese truck?
Why wouldn't you? All towing and payload figures being equal, the vehicle will be a better purchase.
Do you really want the headaches of owning a North American truck? And 2bh familia, right now a GMC CAnyon is a better purchase than an F150. It's not ALUMINUM FOR DAT PAYLOAD GAINZ, but it's a heavier duty vehicle.
Still, Tundra beats them both. Especially the new diesel, holy fuck.
In 2011, straight from the brochure it says 5800. Just check the sticker on the door jamb.
It's always something with Ford. Spark plugs are a valid reminder of why Ford is shit, they purposely designed the vehicle to eat the fuckin things so they could rack up insane dealer fees for a non-warranty item.
That's indicative of a shitty company that doesn't value its customers, and that is motivated purely by greed. At least Honda and Toyota are still relatively committed to providing a quality product. Statistics don't lie bro, Fords are shit.
Why are you so butthurt? Didn't get your monthly shilling paycheck or something?
Not him, but I drove my uncle's 2010 V6 Ranger with a tractor behind it. With the weight of the trailer factored in, we were probably pushing 5,000lbs. It was the most horrifying experience ever, the fucking DRUM BRAKES felt like mush after 5 minutes, and it took a decade to get it up to speed. Not to mention the way the wind was dragging our ass end off the road.
Brochure can say whatever the fuck it wants, but a little babby truck like that is good for hauling little babby stuff.
It happened to nearly every truck, regardless of when the plugs were replaced. It had NOTHING to do with overdue maintenance you retarded shill, it was a severe design flaw.
>fixed the issue
You mean they designed a special tool for Ford techs to use so they could extract the goddamn plugs at an average cost of $700 for changing some fuckin spark plugs.
Kek, the shilling is real.
And the takeaway point from all of this: it should never have happened in the first place. It's like cutting off someone's dick, then reattaching it with Scotch tape. What's the big deal right brah? I mean sure I made a huge fuckin mess and did something terrible, but I fixed it right?
2011 rangers with 100k miles are 15k here.
I remember back then they had discontinued sales for 4x4 Rangers.... for $14k. If I wouldn't have been in college I would have bought one.
I hawled a shitload of dry wood (Roof high) while the truck's bed was also full of wood.
while crossing a river which was deeper than normal because it was raining, water was toe deep in the cabin.
all that with a V6 1996 Tacoma.
While i see most f-150s that are 2 or more years old falling appart
Fords aren't designed to last more than a few years, they know most people will either a.) trade it in for a new one because oooh shiny and new, or b.) it's a fleet vehicle that gets insane mileage in only a few years, and it needs to be replaced every 3-4 years. So why would they make something last longer when they guaranteed repeat buyers in such short order?
pic unrelated, the holy grail
Are you this fucking stupid by any chance? Really. Are you? It must take some extreme degree of effort to be legitimately this fucking stupid.
Every car manufacturer has incidents like this, when you're in business for nearly 100 fucking years, it's bound to happen.
Volkswagen cheats and pollutes the air.
Toyota makes a car that has sticky acceleration and kills you.
GM has an ignition that fails.
Hell, your fucking airbag is more likely to cause an issue than some slight trouble changing a spark plug.
Unlike YOU, I've actually worked on the 5.4 Triton engine (that the Spark Plug issue affected). You're more than welcome to drop your stupid hyperbole and get the facts straight. Let me fucking assist you.
- The spark plug extraction tool is made by numerous companies, in various configurations and can easily be rented at an auto parts store. At worst, you might need to pay 50-60~ to get one.
- The issue was significantly resolved with the release of the SP-515 plug, so ultimately in 99% of situations, the spark plug issue was only an actual fucking issue with the first plug change. Even if it was, it made you burn a few more ours to get it out. I'd much rather have that than have my car try to kill me.
So please, do the automotive world, and the world as a whole, a favor and stop having opinions, because they're obviously based in biased, internet-fueled hyperbole with zero legitimate claim to actually know what the fuck you're talking about.
>Toyota makes a car that has sticky acceleration and kills you.
You mean floormats that get jammed under gas pedals.
Or do you? No, you don't. Because you don't even know what caused the unwanted acceleration, you just saw a meme on Facebook and shat it back out.
You're clearly butthurt as fuck, don't deny it.
>having to rent a special tool just to change spark plugs
>Posts something retarded online.
>QUICK BETTER POST A MEME TO LOOK LIKE I WAS TROLLING ALL ALONG XDDDDDD
>Yeah, that'll make me look cool on an anonymous image board....
Don't lose too much sleep tonight.
No one is claiming to be a troll, you're undeniably mad. You got rekt, you're butthurt, and now you're fervently shitposting.
You are the loser here. You need to understand that. Objectively, you are the loser.
You have to rent special tools to do tons of specific shit on cars, seriously, have you ever even lifted a fucking wrench before?
>IT WAS A FACEBOOK MEME ALL ALONG.
>Meanwhile, Toyota was also hiding a second problem with its vehicles that led to unintended acceleration: a sticky pedal. That defect was based on a plastic material that could cause gas pedals to stick in a partially depressed position.
Get educated, you stupid fuck.
>to do tons of specific shit on cars
>one of the most routine, basic forms of maintenance
>traditionally done by owner on a Saturday afternoon
>took no more than 30 minutes to change a V8
>for the mechanically challenged, it was a $60 visit to the mechanic
>now it requires the rental of specialized tools at a minimum of $60
>takes hours and hours to complete
>must be done with painstaking care so as not to drop pieces into the cylinders
>drop even one piece and you're utterly fucked and have to get the vehicle towed
>most people say fuck that and take it to the dealership
>a now routine, basic form of maintenance on a vehicle made to be UTILITARIAN and PRACTICAL now costs $700 and the use of custom tools
Fucking lol Ford. Look at all this deflection and damage control, trying to shit talk Toyota when we're still not finished bashing Ford.
You must love getting cucked by Ford, fuckboy.
People ITT seem to have missed that this is a Ford-sponsored board.
If trading in a few years or less F-150, more power in any of the configs than any normal usage needs, also aluminum body. If long term Tacoma OR Tundra if boat towing is a no go with a Tacoma. Better resale long term + 1 year Toyota care.
Seems the only ammo >>14237399 has is on the a poorly designed spark plug. Fix it once and so we go.
Also change plugs = change plug wires too, so a bit more than that $60 DIY.
What is Total Cost of Ownership?
What is researching before you buy aka an Informed Buyer?
Do you have any other complaints on fords?
As a general rule driving anything with a basis of fleet use usually ends up being practical & reliable as a consumer car.
ALSO: OP wants to know about new not old news.
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE
F150 will tow better.
IF current trends continue for another 15 years, then the Tacoma will hold it's value better than the F150 but neither of them will hold much.
The Tacoma I wouldn't consider reliable (especially if you're going to tow with it) but it might be better than the F150 in general use.
The vehicle that would best meet the criteria you're looking for would be an older vehicle, nothing older than late 90s though. Just being a few years older means that it will hold far more value. (depreciation rates drop significantly over time)
For reliability you want overbuilt parts and a proven reliable platform. Not buying anything at all 1/4 ton ever or any Dodge with an automatic will help ensure that your parts at least aren't underbuilt. Being a few years older allows you to see what platforms are actually reliable without relying on assumptions. Look for platforms that last the longest under the hardest use, and buy a vehicle with the same platform but lower miles without the harsh use.
Please don't insinuate that my grammar is that bad.
I really wanted you to do your own research and reach your own conclusions but from what I've seen most fullsize GM truck platforms are great but the 4L60e in auto 1500s is a bit questionable. Ford Super Duty/Excursion is great except for the 6.0 diesel and later model 5.4 gas engines.
One of the biggest advantages of buying older is that you can do your own research and see what's reliable. You don't have to rely on anyone else's potentially biased opinions, assumptions, or advice. While I may know what I say not to be biased, you do not. Just keep usage in mind when comparing research from different models. 200k hauling a Kayak and two kids to the lake to go camping once a month isn't even close to the same as 200k of employees beating on the truck and hauling equipment in a fleet truck.
Tacoma powertrains are bullet proof and will go on forever. Besides that though, the Ford is better in every way. More comfort, more space, better fuel economy on V6 models. Toyotas have issues with weak frames but if you're only towing a 16 foot boat It shouldn't matter. You do still need to watch out for rusting problems. For some reason Toyota bodies rust particularly bad when exposed to snow and or road salt.
I'd personally go with the Ford, but despite my warnings for the Toyota, neither are bad.
has anyone considered the fact that the tacoma has a gopro mount built in. Checkmate F150
For goodness fucking sake fuck off you ford shills
There are tons of tacoma's out the with +200k miles when good running condition, just look on craigslist.
Truck people are the worse
>My brand is the best because I say it is and everything else is shit
buy Toyota - support Isis
I didn't say Ford was any better.
200k isn't some spectacular milestone. 200-300k should be expected out of a truck if it's being used like a truck.
The typical Tacoma owner uses it to go buy flower pots at Home Depot and is absolutely amazed when it makes it to 200k miles because they've never owned a real truck for an extended amount of time.
Hint: I'm not talking about an eff one shitty.
>6/10 longest lasting trucks/SUVs are GM full size
>0/10 are F150s
>0/10 are Tacomas