New F150 or Tacoma

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>>14236976

The new Fords look fuckin stupid but do you really want a Japanese truck?

>>14236976
$1,000 Ford Ranger

>>14236989
I think they both look cool desu senpai. I took a short ride in a friend's new f150 and thought it was cool how quiet it was too.

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The new Impala.

>>14236995
F150 then for sure. Just do the simple maintenance and it'll last forever. They even have aluminum bodies now right?

Japanese cars are still made from the thinnest possible metal because japanese manufacturers still do not give a fuck and want you to buy new cars over and over again.

Top rusting cars are easily Nissans, Mazdas and Toyotas.

>>14237014
Chryslers rust pretty good too but they at least knew what parts to make thick

Are there any engines I should steer clear of with the F150?

For the same money the F-150. I don't like the look of it, but I don't have any doubt it's better built.

>>14237032
>>14237004
>>14236996
>>14236987
Dude we get it, cholos put obnoxious hydraulic systems in their cars.

>>14237018
Cosmetic areas like rockers and quarter panels rusting isn't really a huge deal.

Unibody main rails/floor pans, bumper supports, subframes, radiator supports, etc. are a huge deal and japanese automakers dgaf.

>>14236976
Neither.

A 2010-11 Ranger with either the 2.3 or 4.0 and 5 speed. They're bulletproof

~10k

Ive had nothing but great luck with fords. Id get one with the 5.0 in it.

>>14237038
That's true, but you'll have a hard time convincing the redneck fags of that.

>>14237089
You can't really tow over a ton with a ranger though.

>>14237100
4.0 can. What do you have to tow?

>>14237097
I think you misread his post, he was saying the F150 is built better.

>>14237030

I'd say get the 5.0 Coyote if possible. The Ecoboost engines are fine, until they need to be cleaned. Right now, there are no approved induction services available for them outside of taking off the heads and cleaning the valves by hand, because there have been reports of bits of carbon breaking off, going into the turbo and causing it to malfunction and overheat to the point of failure.

The 5.0 is a better performing engine and is more simple overall, so repairs/maintenance is easy.

>>14237112
If you want to tow any sort of equipment or other vehicle the trailer is going to be at least 2,000 lbs plus the equipment will be around another ton.

A 4.0 ranger is not going to tow 2 tons anywhere near safely.

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>>14236976

>F150

>reliable
>hold its value
>can drive for 15+ years

Literally the only thing the F150 can do well is haul stuff. It's fucking shit at everything else.

And the Tacoma can definitely haul a 16 inch fishing boat, so I don't see a reason not to buy it. It'll be infinitely more reliable, better build quality, better off-road without any modifications, looks nicer, and will not depreciate nearly as fast as the F150. Tacomas are one of the absolute best vehicles for value retention, whereas the F150 drops like a brick.

But really you should buy an LM002. Do it.

>>14236989
>but do you really want a Japanese truck?

'Murica!!!!!

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>>14236989
>do you really want a Japanese truck?

Why wouldn't you? All towing and payload figures being equal, the vehicle will be a better purchase.

Do you really want the headaches of owning a North American truck? And 2bh familia, right now a GMC CAnyon is a better purchase than an F150. It's not ALUMINUM FOR DAT PAYLOAD GAINZ, but it's a heavier duty vehicle.

Still, Tundra beats them both. Especially the new diesel, holy fuck.

>>14236976

Although the new Tacomas might as well be full sized, you're comparing different sized trucks

>Why aren't you looking at a Tundra?

>>14237160

You realize spark plugs haven't been an issue for F-150s since late '07, right? You're posting arguments against Ford that haven't been relevant in almost a fuckin decade.

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>>14237148
>4000lbs
In 2011, straight from the brochure it says 5800. Just check the sticker on the door jamb.

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/11FLMRVTT_RangerNov18.pdf

>>14237184

It's always something with Ford. Spark plugs are a valid reminder of why Ford is shit, they purposely designed the vehicle to eat the fuckin things so they could rack up insane dealer fees for a non-warranty item.

That's indicative of a shitty company that doesn't value its customers, and that is motivated purely by greed. At least Honda and Toyota are still relatively committed to providing a quality product. Statistics don't lie bro, Fords are shit.

Why are you so butthurt? Didn't get your monthly shilling paycheck or something?

>>14237224

Not him, but I drove my uncle's 2010 V6 Ranger with a tractor behind it. With the weight of the trailer factored in, we were probably pushing 5,000lbs. It was the most horrifying experience ever, the fucking DRUM BRAKES felt like mush after 5 minutes, and it took a decade to get it up to speed. Not to mention the way the wind was dragging our ass end off the road.

Brochure can say whatever the fuck it wants, but a little babby truck like that is good for hauling little babby stuff.

>>14237225
>ford knew the plugs would seize after they weren't replaced on schedule
>they fixed the issue because they hate their customers

Are you retarded by chance?

>>14237233

It happened to nearly every truck, regardless of when the plugs were replaced. It had NOTHING to do with overdue maintenance you retarded shill, it was a severe design flaw.

>fixed the issue

You mean they designed a special tool for Ford techs to use so they could extract the goddamn plugs at an average cost of $700 for changing some fuckin spark plugs.

Kek, the shilling is real.

And the takeaway point from all of this: it should never have happened in the first place. It's like cutting off someone's dick, then reattaching it with Scotch tape. What's the big deal right brah? I mean sure I made a huge fuckin mess and did something terrible, but I fixed it right?

>>14237148
Do you ever actually tow? Or is this just hypothetical "I've never towed before in my life but I want a truck just because you never know, I might need to tow something"

>>14237089
>10k
lel
2011 rangers with 100k miles are 15k here.
I remember back then they had discontinued sales for 4x4 Rangers.... for $14k. If I wouldn't have been in college I would have bought one.

>>14236989
Yes? Who the fuck doesn't. Toyota trucks are legendary world wide for reliability

>>14236976

I hawled a shitload of dry wood (Roof high) while the truck's bed was also full of wood.

while crossing a river which was deeper than normal because it was raining, water was toe deep in the cabin.

all that with a V6 1996 Tacoma.


While i see most f-150s that are 2 or more years old falling appart

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>>14237258

Fords aren't designed to last more than a few years, they know most people will either a.) trade it in for a new one because oooh shiny and new, or b.) it's a fleet vehicle that gets insane mileage in only a few years, and it needs to be replaced every 3-4 years. So why would they make something last longer when they guaranteed repeat buyers in such short order?

pic unrelated, the holy grail

>>14237243

Are you this fucking stupid by any chance? Really. Are you? It must take some extreme degree of effort to be legitimately this fucking stupid.

Every car manufacturer has incidents like this, when you're in business for nearly 100 fucking years, it's bound to happen.

Volkswagen cheats and pollutes the air.
Toyota makes a car that has sticky acceleration and kills you.
GM has an ignition that fails.

Hell, your fucking airbag is more likely to cause an issue than some slight trouble changing a spark plug.

Unlike YOU, I've actually worked on the 5.4 Triton engine (that the Spark Plug issue affected). You're more than welcome to drop your stupid hyperbole and get the facts straight. Let me fucking assist you.

- The spark plug extraction tool is made by numerous companies, in various configurations and can easily be rented at an auto parts store. At worst, you might need to pay 50-60~ to get one.

- The issue was significantly resolved with the release of the SP-515 plug, so ultimately in 99% of situations, the spark plug issue was only an actual fucking issue with the first plug change. Even if it was, it made you burn a few more ours to get it out. I'd much rather have that than have my car try to kill me.

So please, do the automotive world, and the world as a whole, a favor and stop having opinions, because they're obviously based in biased, internet-fueled hyperbole with zero legitimate claim to actually know what the fuck you're talking about.

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>>14237298

>SHILLING THIS HARD

>>14237298
>Toyota makes a car that has sticky acceleration and kills you.

You mean floormats that get jammed under gas pedals.

Or do you? No, you don't. Because you don't even know what caused the unwanted acceleration, you just saw a meme on Facebook and shat it back out.

You're clearly butthurt as fuck, don't deny it.

>having to rent a special tool just to change spark plugs

Fucking L-O-L.

>>14237030
>>14237125

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ynGWxzJHjA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFhvUFtnBCk

>>14237245
I'm not the OP. I know what people trailer their cars with to tracks and it's not anything less than a V8.

>>14237317

>Posts something retarded online.
>Gets rekt.
>QUICK BETTER POST A MEME TO LOOK LIKE I WAS TROLLING ALL ALONG XDDDDDD
>Yeah, that'll make me look cool on an anonymous image board....

Don't lose too much sleep tonight.

>>14237328

No one is claiming to be a troll, you're undeniably mad. You got rekt, you're butthurt, and now you're fervently shitposting.

You are the loser here. You need to understand that. Objectively, you are the loser.

>>14237322

You have to rent special tools to do tons of specific shit on cars, seriously, have you ever even lifted a fucking wrench before?

>IT WAS A FACEBOOK MEME ALL ALONG.

http://mashable.com/2014/03/19/toyota-lied-aceleration-recall/#.hLsbiN2q8qN

>Meanwhile, Toyota was also hiding a second problem with its vehicles that led to unintended acceleration: a sticky pedal. That defect was based on a plastic material that could cause gas pedals to stick in a partially depressed position.


Get educated, you stupid fuck.

>>14237338

>My post Actual truths based off of personal experience on the topic at hand.
>Your post: LOL UR JUST MAD FORD BTFO XDDDDDDYXXXXXXX

Yes, I'm clearly the 'loser' here.

>>14237353
dude you are obviously mad, just stop posting

fucking ford shills in this place are getting out of hand

>>14237348
>to do tons of specific shit on cars

>spark plugs
>one of the most routine, basic forms of maintenance
>traditionally done by owner on a Saturday afternoon
>took no more than 30 minutes to change a V8
>for the mechanically challenged, it was a $60 visit to the mechanic

>now it requires the rental of specialized tools at a minimum of $60
>takes hours and hours to complete
>must be done with painstaking care so as not to drop pieces into the cylinders
>drop even one piece and you're utterly fucked and have to get the vehicle towed

>most people say fuck that and take it to the dealership
>a now routine, basic form of maintenance on a vehicle made to be UTILITARIAN and PRACTICAL now costs $700 and the use of custom tools

Fucking lol Ford. Look at all this deflection and damage control, trying to shit talk Toyota when we're still not finished bashing Ford.

You must love getting cucked by Ford, fuckboy.

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People ITT seem to have missed that this is a Ford-sponsored board.

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>>14237032
:-D

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>>14236976
If trading in a few years or less F-150, more power in any of the configs than any normal usage needs, also aluminum body. If long term Tacoma OR Tundra if boat towing is a no go with a Tacoma. Better resale long term + 1 year Toyota care.

F-150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsRN50G3Jwo

Tacoma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FutBBbglZvo

Tundra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB29kM9gwPc

Seems the only ammo >>14237399 has is on the a poorly designed spark plug. Fix it once and so we go.

Also change plugs = change plug wires too, so a bit more than that $60 DIY.
What is Total Cost of Ownership?
What is researching before you buy aka an Informed Buyer?
Do you have any other complaints on fords?

As a general rule driving anything with a basis of fleet use usually ends up being practical & reliable as a consumer car.


ALSO: OP wants to know about new not old news.
>Ford ashit
>Ford ashit
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE

>>14237888

>Ford shills are here literally 24/7

holy fuck

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>>14237999
>the competition is killing me wah wah

>>14238014
does Ford make you supply your own memes, or do they have an official meme department that sends them out to you?

>>14236998
Is that a SS?

>>14236976
Neither one.

F150 will tow better.
IF current trends continue for another 15 years, then the Tacoma will hold it's value better than the F150 but neither of them will hold much.
The Tacoma I wouldn't consider reliable (especially if you're going to tow with it) but it might be better than the F150 in general use.

The vehicle that would best meet the criteria you're looking for would be an older vehicle, nothing older than late 90s though. Just being a few years older means that it will hold far more value. (depreciation rates drop significantly over time)
For reliability you want overbuilt parts and a proven reliable platform. Not buying anything at all 1/4 ton ever or any Dodge with an automatic will help ensure that your parts at least aren't underbuilt. Being a few years older allows you to see what platforms are actually reliable without relying on assumptions. Look for platforms that last the longest under the hardest use, and buy a vehicle with the same platform but lower miles without the harsh use.

>>14238556
>if u want a reliable truck buy 1 that's used but reliable
And which platform might that be?

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>>14238880
What do you think old friend?

>>14238880
>u
>1
Please don't insinuate that my grammar is that bad.

I really wanted you to do your own research and reach your own conclusions but from what I've seen most fullsize GM truck platforms are great but the 4L60e in auto 1500s is a bit questionable. Ford Super Duty/Excursion is great except for the 6.0 diesel and later model 5.4 gas engines.

One of the biggest advantages of buying older is that you can do your own research and see what's reliable. You don't have to rely on anyone else's potentially biased opinions, assumptions, or advice. While I may know what I say not to be biased, you do not. Just keep usage in mind when comparing research from different models. 200k hauling a Kayak and two kids to the lake to go camping once a month isn't even close to the same as 200k of employees beating on the truck and hauling equipment in a fleet truck.

>>14239006
>please select all images of kayaks:

Thanks man. Will do (research)

>>14238990
87-96 f150 are God tier reliable , 300 six and five speed can go for 250,000 plus with basic maint

>>14236976
Tacoma powertrains are bullet proof and will go on forever. Besides that though, the Ford is better in every way. More comfort, more space, better fuel economy on V6 models. Toyotas have issues with weak frames but if you're only towing a 16 foot boat It shouldn't matter. You do still need to watch out for rusting problems. For some reason Toyota bodies rust particularly bad when exposed to snow and or road salt.

I'd personally go with the Ford, but despite my warnings for the Toyota, neither are bad.

>>14238556
>The Tacoma I wouldn't consider reliable

that's because you're ignorant and shouldn't have an opinion on this subject

>>14240382
>frame made of shale
>reliable
pick one toyotashill

>be in middle east
>toyotas are bulletproof
>ford trucks broken down everywhere

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has anyone considered the fact that the tacoma has a gopro mount built in. Checkmate F150

>>14240382
>my mom said 90s camrys are reliable so I take that as meaning everything toyota ever is reliable

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>>14240911
For goodness fucking sake fuck off you ford shills

There are tons of tacoma's out the with +200k miles when good running condition, just look on craigslist.

Truck people are the worse
>My brand is the best because I say it is and everything else is shit

>>14240995
*in good running condition

sorry I was raging at your stupidity

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buy Toyota - support Isis

>>14237888
how is the aluminum body a plus? have fun when someone dents your panels with a beach ball and you cant find a body shop that know how to repair or paint aluminum properly

>>14240995
>ford shill
I didn't say Ford was any better.

200k isn't some spectacular milestone. 200-300k should be expected out of a truck if it's being used like a truck.

The typical Tacoma owner uses it to go buy flower pots at Home Depot and is absolutely amazed when it makes it to 200k miles because they've never owned a real truck for an extended amount of time.
Hint: I'm not talking about an eff one shitty.

>6/10 longest lasting trucks/SUVs are GM full size
>0/10 are F150s
>0/10 are Tacomas