When did the GTI start to become shit?

>>14230812
when you realize ur taco bell "salary" can't afford a new one

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>>14230812

Really? I thought GTI is really cool.

never

I - gud
II - bretty gud
III - baka
IV - comfy
V - bretty gud
VI - ditto
VII - gud

>>14230812
personal opinion, mk4s were the low point. Too heavy, not enough power. News ones are great performers but no where near as simple as their older counterparts. The audi sourced 2.0 is a great engine but complicated and well known for electronic gremlins. Overall still good cars though.

>>14230812

It's all been downhill.

MK1: Yes. Very good.
MK2: A little chubby, but ok, still good.
MK3: ...wat r u doon
MK4: pls
MK5: stahp
MK6: y u do dis
MK7: ded nao.

>>14230859
The mk4 gti had enough power for a sporty hatchback when it came out.

>Mk1
Light and nimble, not much power but light enough to compensate
>Mk2
Heavier but slightly more powerful to compensate, still great
>Mk3
Heavier still, no power increase, starting to become fat and lazy
>Mk4
Much heavier with no significant power increase, very lethargic, much like a former athlete in his 50s
>Mk5
Heavier again but much more powerful to compensate, back to Mk2 levels
>Mk6 & 7
About the same, each heavier but with increased power

>>14230862
you are a fucking idiot pls stop posting

>>14230865
>110hp in a 1400KG shell
>Enough

>>14230871
I don't know what mk4 gti you're talking about. It had 150 and later 180hp.

I never realized how expensive they were until I got a decent enough job to afford to buy a new car.

Which is why I ended up with a Civic Si.

>>14230874
Nope, early Mk4s had the 2.0 8v engine making 118hp, only the late production ones had "adequate" horsepower, which still wasn't enough for the pigfat body

>>14230878
Maybe in america

Faggots everywhere

MK1
>DIS BETTER DAN MUH FERRARI!!!
MK2
>DIS BETTER DAN MUH MK1
MK3
>DIS IS NOT AS GUD
MK4
>KILL ME
MK5
>DIS VERY NICE
MK6
>ALMOST AS NICE AS MK5
MK7
>ISN'T THIS THE MK6?

>>14230867
the Mk7 PP with the LSD is the best 21st century GTI

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>>14230853

Some how I doubt all five of you have driven every generation.

>>14230882
Nope, Europe as well

>>14230919
So what you're saying is that it's always been shit.

>>14230927
I've only driven a mark 2 and a mark 4, but I've been in a mark 1 and a mark 5 being driven aggressively, and a mark 3 driven by an old woman.

Mk2 is my personal favorite, but that's largely down to styling

Best to Worst:

MK2
MK1
MK7 = MK5
MK3 = MK6
MK4

The MK4 really was in a league of its own in how shitty it was. VW should've just made the Leon Cupra R/S3 the MKIV GTI. It was that bad. The chassis was a fat wet noodle, the suspension geometry was fucking stupid, the engines were unreliable and too easy to make power out of for their own good, brakes sucked, interior fell apart. Its a abortion of a car.

The MK5 and MK7 were both revolutionary, the MK7 in that it's literally the fastest best handling 21st GTi and the MK5 being the predecessor (what the MK4 should've been). MK6 wasn't that special/much of a upgrade from MK5 (same with MK3 vs MK2, its not that the MK6 or MK3 were "bad", they were just not as good or much of an improvement as their predecessor.

>>14230922

DIS DIS DIS

>>14230878
youre complaining about the a model that didnt even last a year

now thats what I call grasping

>>14230932
>1.8 T - 10/1997–08/2003
>2.3 VR5 - 10/1997–08/2000
>2.0 8V - 08/1998–04/2001

mhm :^)

>>14230932

In Europe at least, "GTI" on the mk4 was a trim level, not a specific model, availabe with 1.8 20V, 1.8T 20V and 2.0 8V gasoline engines, and 110, 130 and 150 hp editions of the 1.9 diesel.

The "true" GTI was the 1.8T with 150hp and towards the end of production, 180.

>>14230951
It lasted nearly 3, and sold as much as the VR5 did. It's a very valid complaint

>>14230952
1.8T a best

>>14230955
150 (or even 180) still isn't all that much in a "hot" hatch.

The concurrent Civic type R had 200-215 hp in a lighter chassis

>>14230964
the mk4 wasn't even built anymore when the EP3 came out.

>>14230974
EK9 had 190hp, mk4 continued production until 2003, EP3 started production 2001

>>14230978
Yeah I mixed something up, sorry. Try getting a LHD EK9 btw :^)

>>14230983
I'm in a RHD market ;D

>>14230987
fugg

>>14230983
Even the shitty US EP3 Si with a whopping 160hp/2700lbs drove way better than the MK4 GTI once you changed out the shitty all-seasons Honda gave it. And that was seen as a "downgrade" as a car from the 99-00 EM1 Si before it (again, 160hp/2500lbs)

The MKIV was truly shit. It shouldn't even be called a GTI.

>>14230989
The actual mk4 "GTI" was the S3 8L or the 2.8 V6. mussmanwissen.jpg

>>14230836
Or the constant repairs a new vw requires

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>>14230952
>>14230957
>>14230955

1.8T is a best engine period.

itt: mostly t*rks and bosnians

>>14231060
>being 12 yo

just say turks you fucking faggot.

>>14230812
after mk2
went from a lightweight fun car to complete shit.

>>14231066
wow don't use rude language on a blue board

>>14230836
OP BTFO