how expensive would it be to ls swap a miata for real? would

>>14225421
>handle like a shelby cobra
You mean handle like shit?
Yup

>>14225421
Power doesn't affect handling and all in it adds about 100kg of weight.

>>14225428
this is a meme, an LS will in most cases be within 100 lbs of the engine it's replacing.

$500 and an afternoon

>>14225482
even an inline four? that just seem geometrically impossible.

>>14225502
Aluminium block

>>14225502
The LS is light and compact as fuck for its power output and displacement.

>>14225502
its pretty much DOHC vs OHV design, an OHV engine is a more compact lightweight design compared to its DOHC counterpart.

>>14225520
pushrods pushgods

>>14225421
$18,000-$30,000 for all parts

>>14225421
DO NOT LS SWAP A MIATA
PUT AN FD TWIN TURBO ENGINE IN THERE YOU GOD DAMN IDIOT

>>14225794
>not NA 20b

not-so-cleverly disguised OHV vs DOHC thread detected.

Go back to /r/carcirclejerk

>>14225497

This.

Helped with my friends swap last weekend. It took two afternoons but we were hella drunk.

If you are really set on going ls swap anon, Flyin Miata makes conversion kits, but i suggest twin turbo or turbo DOHC boi

>>14225421
k well it would just be plain retarded to do that in the first place.

http://www.onpointdyno.com/?p=3857

the article talks about tractive forces and how they play a role in why you don't need 400ft/lbs of torque at all in a performance vehicle. and how hp is a more important figure than torque for performance applications.


>>14225473
>only 100kg.

okay, throw 220 lbs of sandbags into the front of your 2300lb car and tell me it doesn't affect the handling you fucking inbred autist.
fuck off with that meme already, it makes the weight balance shit, LS engines are shit and boomer tier shit.

THE ONLY reason people do this is because #1 they're common engines, and people think a 1000$ ls engine taken from some shitty 2000's pos camero/corvette is a good idea to stick into a performance car, and #2 they're under the impression that LS engines are easy to swap into shit, and that the gain is worth it, but the fact is that they're a shitty outdated engine, and only exists because it gets boomers panties wet. They're terribly inefficient for their size, tall as fuck gearing that is needed to put the power down fucks up the performance on the track, the added weight and size fucks the car, and most importantly, it's not as easy as slapping this pile of shit to the stock drivetrain. Custom fab + wiring is needed, and good luck maintaining driveability on the street.

The fact of the matter is that the fastest street raced time attack cars are all using small turbo engines because that's how a performance car should be built. F1 cars do not use high displacement low revving engines either for this reason.

It's not a cheap build, and you'd be far far far better off putting a built turbo 4 banger like a k20 into it with a turbo if you actually give a shit about performance instead of dick waving who can cram the shittiest engine into a small car because "hurrdurr mini corbette!" "hurrdurr muh shelbu!"

>>14225890
why are you so mad? the miata was primarily designed for the american market and 100kg is a small child over there. the chassis can take it.

>>14225890
>F1 cars do not use high displacement
only because audi and Mercedes were being cheeky cunts
that and the fia is always trying to slow the cars down however they can

>>14225908
are you actually fucking stupid? My point was that LS engines are shit and americans are completely fucking retarded for thinking it's worth it to swap it into a small car. Which it's not for both cost and performance reasons, unless you're building a drag car (which is fucking stupid) which the miata is a shit platform to start with for that, so congrats, your car is both shit on the track, because of the shit weight balance and added weight, but it's also shit on the drag strip because you can't stick big tires on a miata, and the chassis is shit for it. So you've dumped 15 grand into your "performance vehicle" that has shit performance.

>>14225930
F1 cars have historically never been low revving high displacement engines because you don't fucking need 400ft/lbs of torque because fucking gearing makes up for any lack of torque you fucking idiot.

"torque is needed in a performance application" is a fucking meme made by americans to try and excuse their shitty engineering because they can't make an engine with more than 100hp/l without it blowing up.

>>14225890
>>14225975
shut up you dull cunt

>>14225890
if you think that an LS weighs 100kg more than a dressed mazda BP then you're WRONG. the ls1 weighs 457 lbs whereas the 1.8 IRON block weighs 433 lbs. That's the weight penalty of a turbo kit but reliable and torque everywhere. An LS isnt exactly low revving either. with nothing more than valvesprings (lol 100$ and 6 hours leisurely labor) it can rev to 6800rpm on stock bottom end. how much rpm you need nigger? protip: that's where a stock B18B revs too which is regarded as a rev happy engine.

>hurr ls swap it bruuh watch me Vape and tip my snapback Broo

cross brand engine swaps are heresy

I'm gonna put a 4.2 l6 Atlas LL8 into my corvette cause I want straight six sound and don't wanna go 2jz/RB like some kind of pants sagging mouth breathing fuck up

>>14226006
It's regarded as a rev happy engine because it revs quickly, not because it can rev high.

>>14225502
a lot of other things are ripped out
swapped vs stock wight comparisons are always bullshit for that reason

>>14225520
not really no

5.0L DOHC Coyote
>28" Length
>26" Height
>27.5" Wide
>444lbs

LS1
>28.75" Length
>28.25" Height
>25" Wide
>440lbs

>>14226006
HOLY FUCK

>the 1.8 IRON block weighs 433 lbs
way to cheery pick you fucking spastic and its wrong anyway
its like 290lb WET

kill yourself for being so fucking retarded

>>14226115
i don't think so tim

>>14226006
>it can rev to 6800rpm on stock bottom end
but then the pushrods get bent over 5000rpm anyway so whats the point

>>14226151
nice mimi

>>14225421
The Cobra chassis was pretty much entirely reworked to handle the 427. A miata is not designed for an LS3.

>>14226151
why would the pushrods bend at less than stock revlimit?

>>14226128
thats off the top of my head. I'll weight (lol puns) for you to scour the internet to prove me wrong which I very may well be. Maybe that's the weight with transmission? anyways it doesn't matter because, from what I'm seeing, the weight distribution only changes to around 52/48. that's a battery relocation and fiberglass hood and keeping the gas topped off.

>>14226186
Sorry faggot
You said a 1.8l5 mañana engine weights over 400lb, you prove it
Don't try put it on me because you're a spastic piece of shit

> only changes to front biased shit
is that not meant to be bad or something?

>>14226163
This.
For example rx7s and 8s not sure about older mazdas but I know for sure that 7s and 8s were designed to have all the weight behind the front axle to get as close to 50/50 as you can get, the car was designed for god tier handling dont shit on mazdas dream

>>14225421
>Pulled an image from the website with a detailed list of parts
>What is spoon feeding
https://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/costs.php

>>14226194
okie dokie. I'm spastic but you have more replies than any 2 people ITT? you're still the one claiming a ls miata is a POS even though you've never driven one. I haven't either but I drove a 5.0 miata and it was fantastic.

>>14225421
It'll handle like a pig, the suspension and drive train aren't designed for that kind of power or torque. You could make it work, but it's more than just an engine, you'd have to strip out the entire driveline and suspension setup along with the engine, and it would still probably not handle as good as a stock Miat
But it'd be fast as fuck in a sort-of straight line

>>14225890
Lol you're right but holy shit get madder

>>14226224
I'm not claiming it's a pos?
Just fuck off retard tripcunt. When you get called out for beijg retarded just shut up and run away, dokt try damage control Like the rest of the trips trying to defend their anime image board honor

This is why trips shouldn't be allowed

>>14225890
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VsmbbuSq9m0

^Guy that knows much more than you explains why you're wrong about LS

>>14226228
miatas handle like shit anyway unless you drop thousands into reinforcements and coilovers

>>14226228
Wrong

>>14226267
M8, that doesn't say anything about putting the engine in a car.

do a cheap turbo kit. 300 hp is super easy in a 1.8

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>>14226268
>he's never owned a miat

>>14226292
>his standards are this low

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>>14226268
>he's serious

>>14226292
>thinks a stock miata handles well
>clearly has never driven a good car

I had a miata, it's just small, it's not THAT fucking good stock. Better than a shit box, not as good as high end sports cars.

>>14226260
mad as hell. and yes you did say the miata was a piece of shit right here >>14225975. so what I don't have encyclopedic knowledge of engine weights. any car I have is faster than your bus pass. just know you're so mad and been scouring the internet and browsing Iamright.com it makes you look like an autist.

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>>14226290

>>14226287
I didn't say anything about putting it in the car either now did I? Refer to the post I was referring to and watch him sperg out about ls engines for no reason.

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Kek1/Kek3
>>14225890

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>>14226444
Kek2/Kek3

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>>14226352
Lol so fucking mad bro
You know how thus site works right? Not ever anon is the same person, my first post was the one where i called you out

You said a fucking na8 engine weighs over 400lb
You're fucking stupid
deal with it

> huur duur bus pass
Eat a dick bro and stay mad as fuck you don't know shit but run your mouth anyway and then get upset when called out

and thanks for proving my point about le tripfag honor
Krill yourself

by the way, all this would have been avoided if you'd spent literally two seconds in Google instead of pulling weights out of your ass

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>>14226453
Kek3/Kek3

>>14226315
>>14226340
>claim it handles like shit
>now claims its not "THAT" bad

Damage control much?

>>14226462
thanks for identifying yourself as FB anon, you're the biggest autist on this board

>ruin handling in a car designed to handle well
>so you can go faster in a straight line
american right

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>>14226471
u wot m8?

>>14226504
>4 minutes in photoshop
mad

>>14226481
Acording to these guys it didn't fuck up the handling that much.
>>14226444
>>14226453
>>14226463

>>14226394
Miatas are pretty easy to boost. Cheap also.

Miata engines are 290 w/ accessories.
http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12804

>>14226513
>this upset everyone knows his little faggot car is shit

>>14225975
you do know displacement was limited by F1 regulations right... They would have massive engines if they could

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>>14226552
We need a version with "just LS swap it bro".

>>14225975
>Hp/l
And thats how I know youre trolling

>>14225890
Lol look at this guy he is so fucking mad hahahahahahha

>>14226547
they would weigh more so maybe it's better to go small + high revving
its not like they wouldn't rebuilt it every race anyway

>>14226480
Thanks I take pride in that

>>14225482
Between a ls1, a t56 transmission, and a rear differential that could handle the torque you're adding several hundred pounds easily.

>>14227033
Termi read the rest of the fucking thread where several sources say its 200-220 pounds

>>14227033
Specifically, see
>>14226444

>>14227232
Several means more than one, he wasn't wrong in what he said

>>14227352
>several means more than 2

sev·er·al
ˈsev(ə)rəl/Submit
determiner & pronoun
1.
more than two but not many.

>>14227232
A lot of those swaps are missing things compared to stock
Lots of parts swapped out with lighter weight ones

It's like that thread on norotors, huur duur muh v8 swap turned out 800lb lighter

> fully stripped interior and carbon Fibre everything

>>14227352
See
>>14227398

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>>14225502
>>14225482
Based LS is based

>>14227418
This was from a site that said the only mods were engine, trans, and rear end. Which it said is all you need.

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>>14226224
>>14226352
>having this much of an autistic shitfit
top jej

>>14227449
The 1.6 and trans is 360lb, with ALL accessories.
An LS1 weighed the same way with a T56, over 620lb. Add in the beefed up rear end its over 300lb.

>>14226128
LS1 are 387 lbs confirmed by LS1 tec.

>>14227917
>LS1 are 387 lbs
long block maybe, not the entire engine

>>14225890
You realize that most of the weight in the V8 swap comes from the transmission and not the engine, right? Which means that the added weight is in the center of the car.

Which means you're an ass blasted idiot who knows nothing about V8 swapped Miata's.

>>14227857
https://youtu.be/ACbyIrMvr7s?t=6m30s It may add more weight, but it doesn't mess up the weight distribution too bad.

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>>14226128
Coyote vs LS.
Dohc a fukin shit

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>>14226558
Why be so specific? Anyone who mentions a swap like if it's a trivial task is a retard.

>>14225794
bellhousing and tranny tunnel wont fit m8

>>14228453
>>14228205
>screen shotting tiny parts of a random uncited forum post on his phone
>thinks this is representative of anything
muh v8 swap fanboys kek

The difference between a 1.6+trans and LS1+T56 is waaay over 200lb. So keep posting that tiny screenshot of some random swap done by bob where he totally didnt remove any other parts that would otherwise be on a stock car or replace parts with lighter materials. And his methods for weighing the car before and after were totally identical, not one less millimeter of fuel in the tank or whatever.

>>14228555
Okay, heres the full link fucker.

https://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/

A full fucking website dedicated to miata LS builds. Kill yourself.

>>14228601
Yeah, they totally arent trying to get as much money in their pockets as possible
>huur duur look at these results from a company that makes money off stupid muh v8 retards
roflmao

Again lad, the weight difference between a 1.6+trans and LS1+T56 is like 260lb. Keep crying.

>>14228643
I see now that I was baited. Good job, I'll be better next time

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>>14225421

Do a J32A2 Swap so the Austist don't sperg out over non-weabo motor in their nippon NB Eunos.

>>14226331
or someone who defines handling as more than how fast a car can change direction

>>14228739
handling is about how much traction you keep during high lateral loads. what else does that mean besides the speed you change direction.

>>14225802
>5,000 dillars

flyin miatas cost about 50k

just to give u a ballpark

>>14225421

Personally would never like engine with lots of torque in miata but something high revving.

>>14229596
what the fuck really? you have to be joking. that's as much as an elise with a k engine.

>>14229680
>The price for the basic conversion is $49,995, and includes the following parts and labor. The car itself is not included.

https://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/turnkey.php

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>>14229688
>costs as much as a porsche 911 turbo

GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FACE WITH THAT NOISE. WEW LAD.

>>14229680
here's some used ones for sale

https://www.flyinmiata.com/miata-performance-parts/cars-for-sale.html

First one is asking for over 50k, cheaper more used ones are about 30k it seems though. Still expensive. Le 500 dollars and le afternoon couldn't be a less serious statement if it tried.

>>14229693
What 911 Turbo can you get for 50k? 996s? I know 993s and 930s are at least 100k, and it goes without saying 991 and 997s havent depreciated enough.

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>>14228767
>he's serious

M8 put a wankel rotary in it. That would be a great swap for weight and insane revs.

>>14229699
Gotta pay for the car too bro

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I've put a decent amount of research into this. You can do it for about $10k if you don't have to buy many tools and wait for a decent deal on an LS1+T56.

>>14229827
keep researching you won't do shit

>>14229866
I was actually searching for an engine when I lost my job. I don't have that kind of money now, and since I'm still in school I probably won't again until I've graduated.

>>14226228

>drivetrain can't handle the power
>you have to replace the drivetrain

Somebody get this guy's tard wrangler.