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For the money, is there any brand new car better than the Fiesta ST?

Standard equipment is good too, just a pity that HID or Bixenons arent standard
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Buy a Fiesta ST
Strip out rear seats/mats/spare
Get lightweight battery and wheels
Install Mountune MP230 kit
Make fools out of Civic foccbois
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>>14213015
that or the v6 mustang
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>>14213015
>american 5door
disgusting
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>>14213024
>turn your econobox into a tin can
>still slower than pic related
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bru why are you shilling the fiesta every goddamn day? /o/ will hate it at this point
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>>14213070
>still $15k cheaper
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Gay ugly unreliable american poop.
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>>14213129
>Gay
Subjective
>unreliable
Only autotragic version.
>American
British

Try again
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Ford really nailed the Fiesta ST, nothing in its price range even comes close in terms of enjoyment.
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>>14213185
>what is mazda 3
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>>14213209
A car made by a brand that Ford saved from disappearing into oblivion.
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>>14213015
>For the money, is there any brand new car better than the Fiesta ST?

Yes.
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>>14213209
It's not as fun or well equipped that's what. Mazda blew it, they could've stuffed a 3 Skyactiv engine in the 2 and called it a Mazdaspeed2. But they're too busy selling CX3s and CX5s like every Japanese automaker that COULD do it but would rather save showroom space for more profitable crossovers (looking at you Honda)

>>14213070
>paying $35k USD for a FWD car when its out 3 years from now

I put money on VW releasing a even faster FWD GTI out of spite by then. The current Leon Cupra R comes close.
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>>14213129
>gay
What does this even mean?
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>>14213240
>for profit companies making profit
Better wag your finger at them
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>>14213171
but anon, the st doesn't come in automagic
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>>14213254
Damn right I am, they should make cars I WANT to buy 5-8 years from now when they're used and almost fully deprecated

(just like everyone else on /o/, watch a ton of people are gonna pick up FRS/BRZs in the next 5 years on /o/)
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>>14213235
>larger and slower and more boring

I don't think so

>japs making cars more pigfat than Ferd

What the hell happened?
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>>14213328
Ferd got their shit together and became GOAT.
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>>14213235
honda never really made the fit look good, i mean aston grils are meh but come the fuck on
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>>14213015
I certainly thought so, that's why I bought one.

>>14213063
I'm actually really happy that ours is a 5 door, it kind of justifies the car. Having back doors is incredibly useful even when you don't have people in the back seats, for example I usually put my groceries behind the driver's seat instead of having them fly around the hatch area.

If I wanted a car without back doors, I'd get an actual sports car. The thing that's great about the ST is that it takes everything that makes an everyday econobox good and adds fun factor without any real compromises in practicality.
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>>14213328

>2015 Honda Fit
>Curb Weight: 2572

>2015 Ford Fiesta
>Curb Weight: 2627

Making the far comparison because the ST is a "performance" option and the Fit doesn't have a Type R. Ford is currently being sued for the auto trans being shit in the regular Fiesta.
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>>14213955

>The fair comparison
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>>14213015
Yes, there is a better car
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>>14213328
do you not like reliability anon?
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>>14213969
Not really. The Fiesta ST is equally fun, faster and more practical.
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>>14213955
i think he meant it looked pig fat, not the weight
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>>14213977
>FUnny
>FWD
Choose one..
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>>14214022
The Fiesta ST can't do powerslides. That's the only thing the BRZ/FRS has over the Fiesta ST.
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>>14213969
what car is that
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>>14214053
Rover SD1 Vitesse
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>>14214030
The ST does some immensely fun lift-throttle skidz, although admittedly they're much less easy to induce once you put good tires on it.
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>>14213222
Mazda saved Ford if you actually look into it.
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>>14214030
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>>14214245
>>14214245

Are you retarded?

No one saved Ford.

When companies were taking bailouts, Ford didn't and STILL crushed the competition.
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>>14213969
>useless benchracing
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>>14214069
>>14214263
Oh I know it can actually do skidz, hence why I specifically mentioned powerslides.
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>>14214266
Because they were using mazdas engines and tech.
And had been for decades.
All the shared platforms have Mazda engines
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>>14213015
>wanting to drive a FIESTA of all things
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>>14214283
Ford only owned Mazda from 1996-2010, the entire time the platforms you quote were developed. Ford still owns 11% of Mazda today.
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>>14214304
I'm going to give you a chance to research that and admit that you're wrong
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>>14214312
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda#Partnership_with_Ford_Motor_Company

Ford owned 33% and a controlling stake in the company from 1996 on.
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>>14213063
5 doors sure is convenient, as a single 24 year old with no kids, and no friends. I couldn't stand having a coupe. And I hate single cab trucks.
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>>14214283
And Mazda would've gone bankrupt in either the late 1990s or late 1970s.

Mazda fanboys should be happy it was Ford that bought them and not GM or worse.
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>>14213070
Lol that's almost WRX STi/ Focus RS/ Golf R money.
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>>14214350
So?
They also owned it WAY WAY before that
Ranger/b series
Escort/protege
Probe/mx6
You're a fucking retard

Ford owes their entire foundation to mazda
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>>14214923
And Mazda owes their entire existence these days to Ford.
Praise Ford.
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>>14214930
Nope
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>>14214990
Why are Mazda fanboys so delusional?
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>>14214998
>Why are ford fanboys so delusional?
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>>14214990
your company would've gone into liquidation you tremendous faggot

fuck i wish ford never bought mazda we could've had based eurofords instead instead of the shitassfuck escort and probe

>>14214923
>ranger/b-series

kek

you mean the one that's based off the explorer?
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>>14215031
You litteraly know nothing
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>>14213024
Check the site pumaspeed, they have kits to over 400hp
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whats a good rice for this shit?
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>>14214015

Nigga the Fit is small as hell

/o/ needs to stop being so autistic about anyone liking anything other than Ford.
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>>14216521
but we need to hate on honda because its the logical thing to do, and also /o/ told me so
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>>14214276
So...I should buy a gti?
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>>14213240
>VW GTI
>Fast
The only time it wasn't outright slower than the competition was when the 2nd gen got the 16V head.
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>>14216669
If you can get a good deal on one that would put it into the price range of the Fiesta, then yeah I would probably go with a GTI.

But I would drive both first as they are all very close in performance (and relatively close in price).
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>>14213209
>no based EcoBoost engine

It loses by default.
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>>14218175
>being this kiked
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>>14218175
Guess where that engine came from
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>>14218179
>denying the sheer power of 197hp and 202lb-ft torque
>falling into the skyactiv meme
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>>14218197
why are you posting like turbos are a new thing others have never heard of?
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>>14218197
>not even 200hp
Sad
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>>14213977
The BRZ has better seats, better seating position, better steering, better resale value, and a better gearbox.

Oh yeah, and it is not FWD
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>>14218208
Because Mazda has yet to use one in their econoboxes?
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>>14213015
>>14213063
>>14213070
>>14213235
These are butt ugly and I wouldnt be caught dead in one of them

they are not shitboxes they are virginity strong-boxes
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>>14218229
>mazdaspeeds don't exist
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>>14218229
>doesn't know where Ford got their engine
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The weebs seem to get really butt-flustered in this thread.
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>>14213070
For the same kind of money the Fiesta would probably spank the Civic. For €5500 you can get the Fiesta up to 350bhp, and another €1000 for a mechanical LSD.
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>>14218218
Better seats then the Recaros? lol

>>14218435
I've been considering adding the mechanical LSD from Quaife but paying a shop to crack open my transmission and adding it is almost as unappealing as doing it myself...
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>>14218477
Yeah, probably some horrible work to you yourself. Might as well change the final gear while you're at it.
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>>14218477
Yeah, actually. The 86 seats are some of the best in the market right now. Go check it out, youll be surprised. It helps that you don't have the seating position of a 14k econobox lol
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>>14218218

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKJ0eNHu5vk

but the Fiesta is faster
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>>14218229
okay so you think mazda has never heard of turbos?
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>>14218950
So...the 86 is more enjoyable to drive and only 1 second slower with prius tires?

WOW the fiesta is the new god machine!
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>>14213240
>The current Leon Cupra R comes close.

The current Leon Cupra R? What year is this?
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>>14219190
We can go mod for mod with this discussion, I don't know why toyobaru drivers feel so inferior all the time. :\
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>>14221141
Not him but it's nothing to do with toybarus or fiestas it's more the moron logic used here.
>list of all the bad things of the thing you dislike vs list of all the good things on the thing you like
>"see my favorite thing is da best, other thing likers are cucks xd!"
>if a thing is not perfect in every way it is complete shit
etc etc
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>>14213969
It's slow but it looks so fucking good. Dat ducktail. Hnnng.
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>>14213015
Appart if you live in tne US, for having tested both I think the Peugeot 208 gti is a better choice.

It has more torque available in the low 1500, it feels way faster day to day.
And it is more comfortable, and it handles just as nicely.
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>>14218923
The 86 seats are terrible in comparison. Seating position is not that of a true sports car, but then again, it's only a Fiesta. :)
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>>14221394
I really like that green.

I've been looking at the Fiesta ST and Focus ST a lot lately. I like the price on the Fiesta obviously but I like everything else about the Focus more. I'd really like to get a newer (or new) car this year since I'm finally in a spot that I can comfortably do so but now I'm finding out just how hard it is to decide on just one car. In the past I've always just taken what I could afford and was available and made the best of it. I'm also looking at 13-14 Mustang GT possibly.

But focusing on the Fiesta and Focus ST's, is there really any advantage to the Fiesta other than cost? And for the price difference, how much gofast can you get for the Fiesta?
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>>14221580
mm, honestly Focus ST1's can be had for the same price as a moderately optioned Fiesta ST.

Fiesta Pros:
Nimble
Small car that feels spacious on the inside
Great gas consumption
Cheap insurance

Cons:
Smaller engine
Less straight line speed

If you invest ~$1,500 in mods you can pretty reliably achieve ~220whp and ~250tq at around 24lbs of boost. Those mods being an accessport, intercooler, catback exhaust, and a pro-tune.

You can also tune with ethanol for a bit of an extra kick.

If you want to put a bit more into the car and go with a big turbo swap, the stock block reliably holds 375whp/375tq, but it's more money and work of course.
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>>14213209
Not even remotely
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>>14221655
A focus ST or a lightly modded fiesta ST would both eat my sn95 GT alive. I have shit roads that are no fun to zip around. Everything is straight so while I can appreciate tossability, it's not too important to me currently, part of why I was looking at the Focus.

On the other hand, as petty as it sounds I feel like if I got the Focus ST I'd just resent not having an RS, the $10k gap be damned.
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>>14221655
>24lbs of boost
>only 220whp
Hahahahahahahahaha
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>>14221656
remotely what?
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>>14221734
It's like 255hp at the crank in a Fiesta.

10.6/lbs per HP at that ratio, 9.6lbs per lb/ft of tq at 3500 rpms. That puts it in the range of a Mustang GT/Camaro SS.

Here's a video of one playing with an SRT8:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvRR4VZp9ZY

But it's just a Fiesta. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>14221796
You don't seem to understand how inefficient it is
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>>14221810
Where is the inefficiency? It's a 1.6L 4cyl capable of over 200whp/L with a tiny turbo that can make boost off the idle...
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>>14221796


kill yourself
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>>14221852
It's sad really
A 4age can make 200hp on about 10lbs
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I've never driven a car with 'torque vectoring'. How does it feel compared to having an lsd?
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>>14222045
The LSD is purely better, the torque vectoring is a bit weird to get used to.
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>>14222076
Will torque vectoring prevent the dreaded one tire fire when doing a burnout? Or are you stuck laying down lonely single skids?

This is very important.
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>>14222124
Nah, ESC will but you can turn that to Sport mode or just Off completely.
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>>14221580
If you want to DD it the FoST can be pretty annoying because it has a wider turning circle than a mustang even though it's so much smaller. It makes a simple U-Turn into a 3 point turn and parallel parking a massive hassle.
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>>14223004
Parallel parking the fiesta is a breeze, you can park in most American spaces and the cars on either side of you generally can't reach your car to ding it with their doors.
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>>14221876
>>14221734
>hp/boost
this is as ricer as you can get
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>>14222045
Basically you left off the gas to rotate, applying accelerator lessens/stops rotation. So typically you go into a turn hot - no gas -, turn in, car starts to rotate and do a hektik skid m8. A bit of gas pulls it out.
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>>14213015
>HID or Bixenons

Go kill yourself. Those should be illegal.
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>>14213015
Not by a long shot, probably a fiat 500, but those are very unreliable. Everywhere I look the fiesta st it's absolutely the best for the money, cons it doesn't come completely equipped like Audi or mini, but Toyota comes with even less equipment
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>>14224134
>doesn't know about turbo efficiency
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>>14213015
>ford
>good
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>>14225406
>problems with automatic transmission
>ST only comes in manual
Face it, Ford fucking nailed the Fiesta ST. Nothing comes close for the money.
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>>14225478
We established that the speed three is better for the money
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>>14225478
except for the Punto Essesse
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>>14225549
It's not much fun if it needs to be at the shop every week.
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>>14225531
that thing isn't even built anymore
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>>14225406
>transmission problems
can't believe anyone actually bought the automatics
>AC / Heater problems
typical for ford EU
>Interior accessories problems
ok
>clutch problems
americans lel
>exterior accessories problems
ok
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>>14225406
Aren't the problems on automatic transmission, which the Fiesta St is not available?. Full manual, people complain is a little stiff for a sports car, but gets the job
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>>14225613
>>14226176
the maneuls have had issues as well.
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>>14226349
well thats definitely new
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>>14226349
What kind of problems? More expensive than auto tragic?
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>>14228267
I've seen a few cases where the transmission has a really loud whine. Only seen it reported a few times on the enthusiast forums, so I don't think it's a wide spread issue.
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>>14213015

A cheaper Golf GTi that's more practical, and looks miles better.
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>>14230718
It's actually not cheaper than a GTI. This comes from someone who wanted to buy one...
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>>14230718
wish Skoda came over to the US. so many great models.

Citigo and Octavia tho
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>>14230730

Cheapest performance Golf the GTD starts at around £26k. The Skoda vRS starts at around £24K.

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-gti-vii/which-model
http://www.skoda.co.uk/models/new-octavia-vrs-hatch

The Golf is only cheaper on PCP deals. Because for some reason VW are throwing them at people on PCP. Christ they have been giving Golf R's away for £200 per month on PCP with sales and promotions.
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>>14225478
2016 civic ex turbo is 22k, puts up similar numbers.

Downside is you can only get a manual in the N/A Lx and Si
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>>14230750
Must be a brit thing. Equally equipped GTi prices are similar or even cheaper in my country if you check dealers.
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>>14218218
>The BRZ has better seats
Nope. Front seats are recaro's, back are way more usable than 86's.

>better seating position
Subjective

>better steering
Potentially

>better resale value
Because of ricer tax

>gearbox
Dont know any info bout this
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>>14213171
>autotragic ST
Lol.
>British
German.

Try again
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>praying the updated version of this makes it States' side
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>>14214053
i think it's a roush
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>>14214276
>2016
All these new cars only marginally faster than a 30 year old dodge shelby charger
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>>14230967
>The BRZ has better seats
>Nope. Front seats are recaro's, back are way more usable than 86's.
Look, obviously recaro makes good seats, but that doesn't automatically make them better than anything else.

Have you ever driven a gt86 and a fiesta st? The 86 seats are way more comfortable and provide plenty of grip when getting sideways.

>better seating position
>subjective
Does anyone really like sitting high in a car while driving aggressively?

>better steering
>potentially
Again, go drive both and let me know

>better resale value
>because of ricer tax
Or because it's not a turbocharged fiesta?

>gearbox
>dont know any info bout this
why not?
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>>14213129
fuck off, a volkswagen GTi isnt gay ugly and unreliable?

The gear box wears out after 100k,
Looks like a golf,
driven by feminine men.
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>>14213209
the MPS/Mazdaspeed 3

is a great car for its value but the front end does waver a bit.
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>>14232511
You really just dont get cars man
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>>14232578
I don't even know what that means, but I'm willing to bet that I've owned more cars than you. Cars that I've worked on and drove on a track.

I've driven both cars, and believe me, no one would prefer to sit in a fiesta st when driving aggressively.
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>>14213015
Get Fiesta ST if you have the money, if you have more money get a dodge challenger, if you have less money get a toyota yaris or honda fit.
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>>14232749
You drive a meme dude, and you can't stop defending it.

Also, I would rather be sitting in recaros than those 86 seats in any situation.
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>>14232878

>implying meme cars are bad.
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>>14232880
>implying defending meme cars is bad
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>>14232864
>if you have more money get a dodge challenger
Unless you want something that can turn, then buy a Mustang.
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>>14232895

>can turn
>mustang.

Jesus Christ. Why are Americans this fucking stupid when it comes to cars.
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>>14232912
Fine, buy the car that out-M3'd the M3, the Cadillac ATS-V. That can turn.
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>>14232864
if you have less money then get the lower fiesta. Infinitely better than fit because its a fag car
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>>14232878
Your mom is a meme
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>>14213969
I got a fiesta st recently because the gt86 was out of my price range. In the UK there is about $8 k difference for new ones.

The fiesta is a fun little car but it's no where near as cool as the toyobaru
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No ones mentioned the torque difference, makes it a much better drive on the street which is 95% of the time. If you track regularly or take great roads then the 86 is the superior choice.
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>>14234575
Got me.

>>14236699
All of the ST torque comes on at around 3k rpm, doesn't the 86 have much more of a traditional power curve, peaking torque near red line?
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>>14236699
Except the fiestas little turbo runs out of power way too soon. The 86 is fun because you really have to rev it up high to get the most out of the car.
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>>14237103
You just have to drive it a bit differently than your traditional power band... Plus we don't have to rev up to 6,000rpms to pass minivans. :)
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>>14237128
>implying a toyobaru can pass a minivan even when revving past 6k
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