What's a good base car for Shutokou/Wangan-style racing?

Porsche 996 Turbos are cheap atm

>>14212531
VW Phaeton

>>14212531
Budget?
An older 20V inline-5 turbo powered Audi might be a fun place to start. Those things can go up to pretty insane hp numbers.

>>14212555
Yeah, I know.
It's almost too late to buy them now because they're price already rises.

However it's still too expensive for this purpose and aftermarket parts as well. Porsches are more of a circuit machine anyway, I bet those smug 335 drivers can beat it on the Autobahn easily.

>>14212568
>Porsches are more of a circuit machine anyway

Doesn't discount the fact that a 996 Turbo has a top speed of 190mph and goes 0-60 in 4 seconds. Also, no IMS issues.

>too expensive

Do you have a budget?

>>14212568

not knowing that you can tune the mezger engine to 900-1000 hp easily.

it will eat lambos for breakfast

>>14212559
That's an interesting suggestion. They're heavy as fuck though, I wonder how much it can be stripped.
But the price is pretty good, only problem will be the lack of aftermarket parts.

>>14212560
>Budget?
I don't have one yet, but I'll start the project in 1 year, can save something until then. 30k would be a good figure I think.

>An older 20V inline-5 turbo powered Audi might be a fun place to start.
Which ones did you have in mind? I'm not an Audi-pro so I know shit about them.
Also hp isn't everything.

>>14212531
BMW 335

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Twin-Tarbo-snek

>>14212584
80s, coupés, 100s, anything that came with the turbo 5, really. Can be found for pretty damn cheap and run crazy numbers on a (nearly) stock engine.

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>modifying a car
>Germany

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Foxbody.

No, really, a Foxbody. If your goal is to piss off smug Bimmer drivers, than getting passed by proper sports car won't hurt their ego. But if you can drag some guy into racing you, only to kick their ass in a stock-looking late-80's Mustang with over 500hp under the hood, that will crush their spirit like nothing else.

Unless you are really that much against American cars or the aftermarket is non-existent in Yurop.

>>14212531
Supra
>fwd is okay
No it isn't

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>>14212607
>not getting shot
>America

>yurop
>street racing

>murica
>racing

>>14212555
Say what? I thought 996 GT3 prices were actually *rising* because of the 991 GT3 not having a manual.

>>14212578
>IMS issues
Oh that's interesting, I haven't heard of this issue before. Thanks

>>14212583
>not knowing that you can tune the mezger engine to 900-1000 hp easily.
How is that?


>>14212602
That sounds pretty perfect. Could be made into a nice sleeper car as well. Which exact one would you personally recommend?

>>14212662
996 Turbos, not talking about GT's.

The prices on them are currently low (but starting to rise, yeah) because Porschefags hate the water-cooled engine and headlights of 996's, and IMS issues of other variants bring the Turbo down with it.

>>14212670
The Coupe is the smallest one, as it's a 2-door version of the 80. They seem to be a bit rarer though, and more sought after since they're a bit more sporty.
The 80 is a small-ish sedan, comparable to the 3-series. Was later replaced by the A4
The 100 is their higher-end sedan, more 5-series size. Nice luxury barges. Was replaced by the A6.
All of them were available with Quattro AWD, too, but again, Quattro versions are rarer and more sought after.

>>14212607
It's not much of a hassle if you can prove that you car remains secure through the mods.


>>14212611
I've never seen a Foxbody driving around here, so it will always look out of place and never stock. The pissing off effect can't be achieved that way.

>>14212531
I don't even like GM but something GM.
Opel Calibra, Omega, 3rd gen Firebird, Saab 9000 Aero.
The Saab is the least slippery of the lot but will still sit at 160mph with very minor mods.

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>>14212701
Also Peugeot 406 V6 Coupe.
E85+Boost and it will make 500hp on stock internals, they used to use the same short block in trucks and vans.

>>14212531
>civic
>k20 + tarbo
>long gears


ur welcome OP

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>>14212611

>mfw an average foxbody driver tried to be intelligent near me

>>14212741
he's in germany

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>>14212691
Thank you.
80 sounds perfect desu. It's really cheap as well.
Thank you friend, that was really helpful

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>>14212750
there are relative old and affordable civics that came stock with a k20

>>14212679

nvm, just realized OP lives in germany, 996 tts are already 70k euros over there. Good old USA still has them for cheap

>>14212735
>E85+Boost
Noice, I didn't even realize how people put funny stuff like E85 into their cars.
The peugot seems pretty good as well, I also like how it looks

>>14212777
I know that Civic can get really fast with modding, it's FF though, I dunno.

>>14212735
Funny, I came across a couple of really nice examples the other day when I was scrolling through my Craigslist equivalent.
I kinda want one of these now.

>>14212767
If you can get an 80 Quattro and throw in a 20v turbo, you've got a serious sleeper. Imagine 400+ horsepower in that thing.

>>14212817
thats going to make it funnier when you pass them

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>>14212695
>can only install "approved" parts (including wheels and non structural parts
>every time you change anything you have to get it inspected and report the changes to your insurance company
Yeah, not a hassle at all

>>14212844
>implying approved parts are a bad thing
You're literally not allowed to put shit-tier stuff on your car.

>>14212855
Yeah man, sounds great! Freedom is dangerous, fortunately the all knowing overlords prevent us from hurting ourselves!

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>>14212855
thats not a possibility in america because shit-tier parts come stock from the factory

>>14212531

Budget Tier:

4th Gen F-Body
SAABs with a tune and downpipe
DSMs, Z31, Mk.III, etc. with extra boost

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>>14212855
>implying non approved parts are automatically shit tier
pic related, banned in germany

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>>14212868
>americans are confused with the idea of a civilized society

lel

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>>14212881
>Europeans are upset at the proposition of personal responsibility and freedom of choice

>>14212879
>Not a third gen

A lot of them even had some pretty good aerodynamics too.

>>14212880
>thinking Nigel's hilux is street legal in australia

>>14212885
>I am not free because i cant do things that endanger other drivers :((((

gb2 somalia

>>14212823
It's almost decided that it will be an Audi 80. I really like the idea.

>>14212840
Yeah I know. But it's still FF man.

>>14212844
>can only install "approved" parts (including wheels and non structural parts
You can install anything as long as it passes (the rather costly) inspection
>every time you change anything you have to get it inspected and report the changes to your insurance company
Just build anything in one run and get it inspected once, what's the problem?
It prevents shitty tuner-kiddos from crap-builds.

>>14212893
can't hear you over all this FREEDOM, enjoy your 1.2l "government approved" diesel shitbox

>>14212568
>It's almost too late to buy them now because they're price already rises
And theyre only going to go up, get in now

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>>14212899
>"free"
>25 years to import a car

keep digging ur hole deeper lel

>>14212888
>what did he mean by this?

>>14212844
>live in california, most populated state in the us
>cannot perform any engine modifications because muh emissions
>can only modify old as fuck cars that are slow as shit no matter what you do
but germany is so bad right

>>14212880
Why should it be banned? Because it has no wheels? I'm confused

>>14212918
>cannot perform any engine modifications because muh emissions
wrong
>can only modify old as fuck cars that are slow as shit no matter what you do
wrong

Does making up stories like that make you feel better?

>>14212954
>wrong
nope. youre wrong.

>wrong
as above.

you cannot legally do any engine modifications in california because they mess with muh emissions. this is straight cut fact and theres no ifs or buts about it.

>bbut i can swap out muh 120hp 5l in muh malaise era muscle car for a 180hp 6l v8!!!
cool, you cant install a blow off valve on a subaru though :^)

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>>14212923
You earned this (You)

>>14212923

Because none of it has been destructively tested. German TUV approval eliminates any possibility of making your own parts, it's shit, but kinda makes sense on a safety side of things.

There would be no problem with it in the UK however, so long as it passes an IVA test.

>>14212965
You can do whatever you want to any engine, or swap in any engine of the same or newer year, so long as it meets the sniff test standards and retains the evap/air injection systems.

>>14212965

You're aware that roadkill is shot in california right?

>>14212974
someone tell jurgen non destructive testing is a thing

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>>14212978
>lives in a shithole that has to comply with several regulations
>makes fun of other people who have to comply with several regulations

kek heartbreak proving once again he is fucking stupid

>>14212978
>so long as it meets the sniff test standards
so no modification which increases the performance of a car then? just like i say, enjoy not being able to install fully hectic a blow off valve on a subaru because of your nazi tier laws

so would an enthusiast choose germany, a place where you can go crazy with modifications as long as they arent custom fabbed shit made in a shed by a drunk
or california, where you cant even upgrade your exhaust or install a cold air intake with off the shelf performance parts... mhm...

>>14212986
you mean that show where they do whatever to a car then drive it around an /empty parking lot/ and not on public roads?

>buy M3
>rebadge as base 3 series
Easy.

>>14212988
I really feel bad that would be enthusiasts were unfortunate to end up in places like Germany or Switzerland but trying to say it isn't bad compared to CA laws or even more laughably that spending tons of your money and time to do an extremely limited amount of modification is somehow a good thing is just sad. It is possible to move to the US still if you want to actually have fun with cars (and be able to afford decent cars to begin with), maybe start looking into that rather than justifying the bleak situation for enthusiasts outside the US.

>>14213006
youd like germany heartbreaker, no custom fab parts allowed. that means you can use all your off the shelf prefabbed shit :^)

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>OP just wants to boirace
>nationalistic shitflinging

Fuck off to >>>/int/ or >>>/pol/ you dumb cunts

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>>14213006
>you can move here and wait 25 years to import a japanese shitbox too!

yeah, no thanks

>>14213060
>gas is cheap as fuck
>engines bigger than 1l are affordable
>modifications are allowed
stay cucked

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>>14213072
>25 years to import a car
>highways have speed limit
>worse american versions of several cars like m3s and evos
lol cuck is projecting

>>14213072
>gas is cheap as fuck
gas is cheap in most parts of the world. unless you mean petrol?

>engines bigger than 1l are affordable
poorfag excuses

>modifications are allowed
not in california, the most populated state by far and the home of "car enthusiasm in america".

>>14213116
>Trying to slight the US because of shitifornia
Don't lump them in with the rest of us

>>14213141
as long as people keep touting California as the "best place for car enthusiasts in the world" i will continue to single out that shit hole when talking about america

>>14212911
>free
>seriously thinks getting a newer engine from another car endangers other drivers

What's the point of owning a car in Europe if you can't enjoy it

Someone post the Eur/o/pean owned cars photo collage. More Americans own European cars than Europeans own cars on /o/ kek

>>14213265
>he seriously thinks the total amount of european poster on /o/ is half a dozen because they were the only one to reply to that shitty thread
pls leave underage nocar kid, anyone who talks about that stupid shit is outing themself as a no car

>t-take that europoors! look at the cars these people who arent me own!
roflmao

>>14212596
This

>>14213261
Actually California is more free than most European countries. We just can't perform any engine swaps on cars newer than 1975 without making sure it keeps all original emissions components and came from a newer car that passed California emissions at some point. So a LS1 swap from a 2002 Camaro into a 1994 Miata is legal. But a 1997 Integra GSR engine (B18C1) into a 1999 Honda Civic isn't.

It has a lot to do with cars lasting literally forever there, and why you can still find plenty of obscure 1970s-80s Japanese/European cars running around. They have to come up with shit like CARB to get them off the road.

>>14213272
>implying more yuropoors on /o/ own cars
nocar faggots, can't even afford a car, fucking cucks

>>14213265
>you cant swap your engine in several countries of europe

I do not expect you to know this, but europe is a continent made up of multiple countries with their own laws

>>14213272
My car's on that photo collage though :^)

Just face it, Europeans make up most of the busriders on this board. Americans and Australians are the only people who actually have fun cars.

>>14213296
the reason there are few europeans and australians is because this board if full of americans

>>14213308
>there are more Americans because there are more Americans
no shit
doesn't change the fact that yuropoors simply can not own fun cars unless they're stupid rich

>>14213318
>there are more Americans because there are more Americans
basically
why would anyone but shitposter would like to spend time arguing with americans?

>I am an expert on erurope
>t.american

seems legit

>>14213318
>doesn't change the fact that yuropoors simply can not own fun cars unless they're stupid rich
Americans are actually this stupid. I wasnt aware the only 'fun cars' in existence were supercars.

>in germany you can buy a brand new bike for 15k faster than ANY car, be it american or european
bbbut muh 120hp v8 i got from billy bob for a six pack of bud lite!

>>14212626
>>14212607
now now

>>14212531
like this
http://www.engineswapdepot.com/?p=8175&
with a worked over k24a1 instead

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>>14212531
Renault 25 turbo. Slipery and light full sized 4 door with an engine that can be improved a lot in terms of torque and max revs, also relatively cheap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7M7VKxVhcI