>>14211590 Lotus makes the best handling Analog (non super computer assisted) cars in the world. The best ones are around 2000lbs. It's been shown with the ND we can still hit 2200-2300lbs with EXCELLENT safety ratings.
There is no reason performance cars in 2016 can't weigh between 2300-2850 lbs. Heavier cars feel like shit through the wheel, handle like shit (unless digitally assisted). Heavy cars are inferior as a true *pure driving feel/handling* sports car.
>>14211557 fucking true , i'm a big fan of BMWs but everything after the E90 seems to just be market/niche pleasing rather than actually making sporty cars that you can DD in comfort . even the E90 has a lot of problems ,like the rather questionable styling or the fact that they somehow aged worse than the E46s . But they had nice engines . Too bad every one of them seems to be an autotragic .
>>14212157 BMW are everywhere in Germany , and the whole Ultimeme driving car advertising is everywhere . So every sap that bought a bmw just turns of TC and expects to just fly through the ring no problem . The cars are good , but they are not magic . Bad drivers can crash any car .
>>14212217 That is so retarded . There is literally just one reason the 1 series sells , and it's because its a RWD hatchback . It's is ugly beyond belief , poorly equipped , impractical compared to even a fucking polo and expensive when you compare it to the bulk of it's competition . The only redeeming features was that it was light(ish) , RWD , handled well and you could get some nice engines in it . BMW just makes me mad . A FWD 1 series doesn't stand a chance against a Focus or a Golf , which have proper , refined FWD systems . Nobody bought the ugly as sin and boring 2 series active turd , and they sure as shit will not buy an impractical , ugly and expensive golf . God I'm fucking mad and BMW is one of my favorite brands . Or at least it used to be ...
>>14212429 nah people buy the 1 series because cheap bmw
enthusiasts pick up the higher trims for the rwd and handling part but for the most part its just chick cute cheap bmw. and really, no audi, merc, bmw can be ugly to normies, especially not while they are still newish, its a veil germany has managed to build quite well
>>14211557 This basically. I will say that the newer BMW's are amazing cars, especially if you have the dough to get higher trim and options, but they're not "real" BMW cars.
BMW has always balanced cost, performance, and luxury well IMO, but lately they've gotten too bloated and expensive, especially when the ones that are really unique to drive are only the M's at this point. Back in the day a 528i stood out even though it was a cheaper alternative to the 530 and 540, now it's only the little things here and there that stand out on the cheaper models.
Still a good brand, but it's definitely not miles ahead of the competition like it used to be. Now it's just another wealthy person car. I think they could fix that if they cut down on the luxury and committed to just making a good driving car that was still comfy but not a money pit.
>>14212282 You realize that aside from the nicer countries on Europe, you can own a farm full of artillery pieces and you'll be fine. Eastern Europe is ironically free as shit, the government is small and doesn't enforce things too much outside of towns and keeping Muslims the fuck out.
>>14211341 Nobody on /o/ can afford these so you'll never heard the end of sour grapes-fueled arguments about how they're pigfat and no longer true BMWs.
It seems a fair assessment that the newer cars are more boaty and less engaging, especially in the models and trims offered to normal consumers, but nobody here knows whether the newer M3/M4 is an engaging car to drive.
>>14216482 As big and ugly as it is, the K1600 would still be my choice out of the large tourers. Can't pass up a big six. I'd love to see a nekkid cruiser variant along similar lines of a Rocket Three.
Driving down a 6 lane road in the left lane at the speed limit, a pickup pulls out crosses 3 lanes of traffic into my lane and I end up side swiping. Then the pickup driver ran. I didn't have a license or insurance on the car at the time and the damage was cosmetic so I let it go.
>>14217252 I'm poor and have owned 4 BMW's thus far. They all were old/oldish as I can't afford the upkeep and maintenance of a brand new one I'll give you that. They're just terrible cars in general and will leave a sour aftertaste, you can't be happy owning one.
>>14217257 >>14217333 i'm poor and have owned 4 bmw's. 2 of them were rusted heaps of shit but mechanically they have been all great. everything that failed I could diy fix at my garage. very cheap to upkeep (in europe at least) cheaper than audis. loved all of my bimmers, no sour taste ever.
>>14217166 E60 is very similar in weight and size to e39. And the suspension is almost exactly the same. It's even a bit lighter because of all the aluminum. It's not a 7 series. The new F10 5 series actually dropped front macphearson struts in favour of 7 series double whisbones (to reduce road noise) and is bigger, heavier. e60 is still a true 5 series, it's just many will argue doesn't look like a classic BMW.
>>14217391 Guess what - they've reintroduced them in the new generation of engines - due to customer complaints. I have an N52 engine (no dipstick), but I find I don't actually need it (and I do my own oil changes), but also wouldn't mind if I had one. I think the issue here is overblown. The car has an electronic oil level sensor which works fine.
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