Ford Fiesta Appreciation Threat. Leave your comments about the

It's really the only FF I could see myself buying. If there were any 3-door versions in Canada, I'd probably buy it over a Toybaru.

Gf has a 2011

got it around 35k miles. the transmission sucks. Ford put a recall on all the autos. Reprogrammed the timing, still sucks. Not smooth at all.

It started stalling randomly, maybe around 45k miles. Ford stated the throttle body was bad and needed replacement, but wasn't covered under the 50k mile powertrain warranty. Since that part is integral to the engine, I thought that was bullshit. I cleaned the TB and the issue went away.

A month ago, my gf calls me, saying there's coolant boiling in the engine bay, and the temperature light came on. (It doesn't have a temperature gauge) Had it towed to a shop, and the code they read, stated the water pump failed. To replace, he needed to take apart the side of the engine where the timing belt is. Mechanic stated it was a poor design. The serpentine belt also needed to be cut off, and a special tool is required to put it back on. (Doesn't have a tension pulley)

Words from this mechanic, "If it wasn't for Ford, I would be out of business."

Overall, the car is small, light, cheap to buy, cheap to own. Great gas mileage. It's likes to be revved to red. It's fun taking it to the limit of it's skinny tires. The transmission sucks. A lot of bolts are Torx instead of Hex, but can be worked on. Not easy though.

It has 80k miles now. It's taken us on 1,200 mile road trips, the beach, the mountains, the desert. The time it did fail, was while idling in heavy traffic for 2.5 hours with the A/C on.

I want her to get another car, only because the transmission sucks so goddamn much.

>>14207940
Transmission problems are only on autos, right?

>>14207951
correct

>>14207919
how much all that mess cost to repair?

>>14207951
Manual transmission is smoth or stiff like toyota?

>>14208039
The Ford dealership visits were free. They quoted over $600 to replace the functioning Throttle Body.

It cost around $480 to have the radiator flushed, water pump installed, and new serpentine belt.

Aside from the Automatic autotragic transmission, it would be a sweet little car. Even with 120hp. The ST version with more power, and a LOT more torque, would really be nice. I haven't driven one yet.

>>14208045
my friend has the st focus and says that it's incredibly smooth, and feels good

to compare it he has had BMW, and toyobaru manuals

>not buying the superior Si or Gti
You girls are all fucking up.

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>>14208120
>Gti
>vw

>>14208080
Does that price include parts and labor?
If so $600 it's a little about average for repair costs.According to bank rate which is the toyota with average repair cost of $540.

And my dad had a similar experience the warranty expired and 3 days later a part broke that cost $500 to repair.

>>14208120
>Si
>Superior in any way at all

LMAOing at your life.

>>14207741
Who here waiting for the fiesta rs?

>>14208145
>LMAOing
Confirmed for 16 year old, opinion discarded.

>>14208120
which brand is the SI??

>>14208188
subonrd

>>14208139
No, a throttle body is unplugging two connectors, like 3 bolts, the air hose in, air hose out, Mass Flow sensor, and that's it.
$600 would have been a complete rip off. That was at a dealership.

Labor, water pump, coolant, water, belt, and warranty cost ~$480. That's dirt cheap.

Someone comparing a Hondo to the Fiesto?

>>14208181
There's literally nothing good about that car, Honda like usual on their declining trend made a "ok" car with the 8th Gen (shitty quality issues and being inferior to the MS3/WRX at the time) and fucked it up with the 9th Gen by butchering the suspension/chassis tuning so it feels like a bigger car than it really is and giving it a whole 3 horsepower for that extra 0.4 in displacement.

And on top they ask $24k for it? I'm not even going to touch on how shitty Honda dealers are. They act like I should be privileged I have the chance to even step into their dealer showroom. Absolute shit. Its like all the crappy salesmen from the 1990s that worked GM/Ford switched over to Honda/Toyota.

Civic Si was great.... over a decade ago.... when the KA24 was new... Some car companies have moved on since.... Honda has not.

>>14208222
>this level of benchracing
You've hit a new level of faggot, congratulations.

>>14208249
>implying they used the k24 in earlier si models
just stop you literally know nothing

>>14208249
Ebin...

>>14208249
KA24 is a Nissan motor
If you mean the K24 in the current car, yes it is shit but not because it's old

>>14208259
I bought a HRV with my wife 4 months ago you tremendous faggot. The dealer experience was shit. I almost tore up the paperwork in the salesman's face when they didn't give me all weather floor mats like I was promised.

They're not good cars. Let me guess, your parents bought you one? It doesn't feel nimble at all and it doesn't feel exciting to drive.

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I am currently financing (1.5%) a 2015 Fiesta ST and currently up to 18,700 miles.

Then experience so far has been an absolute blast and I love this car to death. Relatively light weight, decent power, rotates nicely when swinging it around corners and with the recent muffler delete I did it has beefy sound without droning.

I did have it lowered on Mountune springs and a CP-E motor mount which help A LOT with wheel hop and stops the engine from smacking the firewall while launching.

I've looked at just about every other hatchback in the same price range and it just seemed like the best bang for the buck.

Do it m8. It's a rad little car.

>>14208320
Why is it shit? Because it's not quite as good as the k20?
You can still get 400hp out of them reliably with about $5k.. They last forever with proper maintenance.

>>14208322
>comparing a cuckover to the si
kek

>>14208349
Or you take that $5k and buy a base model Mustang GT for a 400hp car with a factory warranty.

>>14208361
>cuckover

her money, i don't give a fuck. i was just there as master jew

the Si is literally nothing special. i drove one for shits and giggles while i was there. its a low energy car for losers. if i want a fun car i'd get anything else in the market .

>>14208332
What were your options before deciding for a fiesta? Fiesta ST is also the cheapest car you can get turbo charged

>>14208364
You never answered my question.
Plus who wants a heavy lol can't turn meme machine..
I bought my 9th gen for 16k btw

>>14208332
muffler delete? So.. straight pipe? How much did that run you? Will it pass emissions?

>>14208373
lol sure ya did

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>>14208392
>can't turn

it turns faster than the m3 what are you talking about :^)

>>14208421
>thinking m3s can turn

>>14208426
>thinking m3s can't turn

>>14208390
I was looking at Mini's, Fiats, Sonics, Darts, etc. Just about every compact and hatch i looked at didn't seem to compare well enough against the Fiesta. Power and weight were my primary concerns really, and the Fiesta was the winner.

I have the ST3 package which has nav, rado gray wheels, painted calipers, sun roof, upgraded sound system, and Recaro bucket seats.

>>14208441
yes

they cant

>>14208390
Actually you can get a Dart 1.4 Turbo, Cruz 1.4 Turbo, but yeah the Turbo 1.0L Fiesta is cheapest.

>>14208448
If power and weight are your main concerns, why aren't you looking at a 300hp V6 Mustang? Be it a 2012, 2013, or 2014? Even cheaper option.

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>>14208404
Basically just removing the last two feet of exhaust, muffler. Resonator and downpipe are still stock. Now it is replaced by a dual 3inch black chrome tip.

The muffler really dampens the fun sounds. compression popping and backfires when shifting/down shifting are nearly completely hidden with it on.

It was just over 200 bucks for the delete with a 100 dollar tip.

>>14208461
I wanted a really small car. I also have that 'murican mentality of a mustang should be V8 only. The ecoboost one is alright too though.

It didn't feel right buying a V6 mustang essentially.

>>14208486
Interesting, I never considered doing that. Does it get on your nerves at all? I want the car to have a better sound because the stock exhaust is pretty weak, but don't want to shell out 1,200 for the cobb turboback without an accessport.

>>14208530
It's a fair bit louder from the rear of the car now naturally, but there is no irritating drone increase in the cabin from what I can tell.
Just more sound coming out the backend. Can also hear the turbo spooling from the exhaust now too. Rad as fuck.

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>>14208530
Just got my FiST about a month ago and I'm already at 4k miles. Loving every minute of it.

>>14208120
LMAO! The Si is superior to the ST?

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>>14208574
Aight you sold me. Also did you powder coat your rims? I didn't see the option for bronze, but that looks slick. I want to get OZ Leggenda 17" in white, but can't find them anywhere in 4x108 :(

>>14208222
The 9th gen si was one of the best ones. You kind of just let everyone you know how ignorant you are but ignoring the torque that little motor puts out and how great that car is to drive on a day to day basis. No more revving the piss out of the motor to get the damn thing moving. That's been honda's Achilles Tendon for some time now. The 2012 si made me stop hating civics. The ignorant masses made me hate it again though.

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>>14208597
No, sir. Plasti-dip dirty as shit VINTAGE GOLD. Looks way nicer when clean. One of my wheels is slightly bent from a dick ass pot hole too.

I want the O.Z. SUPERTURISMO LM in 17x7.5. A bit wider and still a few pounds lighter. Also has hektic GT looks. That i do plan to powder coat a modest gold color.

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>>14208639
man, that's a good plastidipping job. I usually see plastidipped wheels peeling with drips up and down the spokes.

Those wheels look good too. OZ is the perfect wheel manufacturer for the fiesta.

>>14208639
Also looks nicer when it isn't burned with brake dust. Getting the pads changed out before new wheels go on. Stock pads vomit dust all over the place.

>>14208692
I already swapped mine out. Had a few low dust pads laying around that happened to fit. No more cleaning the wheels every other day.

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My ST just broke 2 years and 30k.

Fun car, not great for driving 10/10ths though, especially because of how shit the brakes are.

>>14208575
Sweet, how is the sound system? Crystal clear, nice or just OK?

>>14208711
wtf, those are the OZ leggendas rebadged as sparco lol. MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED

>>14208711
But it has 4 brakes, how come they are bad?

>>14208717
Haha, if you think you're happy now, wait until you see the price.

They're literally cheaper than many of the tires you'd put on them.

>>14208712
It's decent. No great place for a sub, if that's what you're into, but the stock speakers have good bass and the "infotainment" system (hate that term) is pretty robust. Other than the navigation never EVER getting what I say right.

>>14208721
Fade. Pedal on the floor after 3 laps at Streets of Willow or a single end-to-end run on a good canyon. Partly the pads just suck, partly it's because the torque vectoring uses the shit out of them.

I've had to replace my pads like 6 times and rotors twice in 2 years, and I don't even do track/canyons very much with it.

>>14208723
are they 16" or 17" they seem to not fill the wheel well like stock does.

>>14208721
most cars have 4 brakes anon

Hows the not ST versions? Also celestial blue is GOAT color

I have a 2015 Fiesta SE manual. What should I do to it?

>>14208729
Any way to vent them? Have you tried Motul/ATE brake fluid?

>>14208733
16x7, with 205/45/16s.

My stock wheels were all bent to fuck after 2 years of driving on them, I decided to downsize for more sidewall in the hopes of avoiding a repeat of that. I also like the rally car look of the smaller wheels on the ST and it improves ride quality, and I haven't noticed any change in handling.

>>14208729
have you seen what people on the forums are doing to combat it? They're using porsche style brake air dams that channel air into them. Guy says it gets him triple the laps without fade.

>>14208741
i've heard the lower models make great DDs and get pretty amazing mileage

>>14208750
where do you live where your wheels ended up like that after 2 years?

>>14208748
Yeah, Motul 660. The stock pads are just trash and the aftermarket is only just catching up, I'm gonna try the Mountune pads/lines kit next time.

I'm thinking a pressure bleed might help too, I just need to get the correct cap so I can use the bleeder at my friend's shop.

>>14207741
the ST is only availible in MANUAL so if you cant drive stick, tough shit.

>>14208759
SoCal, which is part of what makes it so stupid that they bent up so easily, our roads really aren't that bad. There's just not enough meat on those 17"s to protect the wheels properly, and I don't like such big wheels on such a small car anyway.

>>14208773
i dig it. I'm in phoenix and our roads are pretty decent depending on which part you live in. Wheels are the first thing to go on any car I buy, so it's not a problem if they do get messed up.

>>14208761
so you kept replacing stock pads over and over? lmao.
i suppose it works out the same as one good set money wise though.

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>Do you own one, what version and distance run?
2014 ST around 30k miles at the moment

>How has been your experience?
Absolutely fantastic so far with no issues. Drove it from Michigan to California and back this summer and it was a surprisingly pleasant trip.

>Why you chose fiesta and what were your matchups?
Previous car was a Focus SVT so the Fiesta ST had my attention from its announcement. Cross shopped with Fiat 500 Abarths and some other hot hatches. Honestly didn't expect to end up with an ST but mine turned up to a dealership "used" with <400 miles and around $7k off the original MSRP so I couldn't say no.

>>14208461
you do realise the mustang also comes out in a turbo 2.3 4 cylinder right?

>>14208809
Yeah, mostly because there was nothing else on the market for most of that time, other than full-track pads that were expensive as fuck and not suitable for DDing.

Plus I have a wholesale account at the Ford dealer and stock pads cost me less than Autozone ones.

>>14208765
I can and I actually prefer manual over automatic, also I heard Ford has many problems on automatic transmission

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Love mine

>>14208936
Yeah, the dct in the base model fiestas and focuses suck donkey dick.

>>14208942
Is it true because of turbo you can only use premium gas?

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>>14207741
>What version/mileage?
MY'15 Fiesta ST in Tuxedo Black, 15,xxx miles so far

>How has your experience been?
Terrific. Currently 'Stage 3' with a MAP Catback, MAP FMIC, Cobb Intake, Mountune Roll-Restrictor, and a Tune+ 93 & E30 Protune. 0 issues to speak of, though I did some preventative maintenance getting the transmission flushed at 10,000 miles and an extra oil change or too.

Also running Piercemotorsports braces in the trunk, front strut tower, two-point tie bar, and rear torsion beam stiffener with an Eibach rear sway bar.

Next mods are light weight wheels, and probably Super Sports or equivalent sticky tire.

Vdyno says about 220whp/270tq currently.
>pic related

>>14209059
No, the stock ECU can compensate for 87 octane, but to make the most power you should be running Premium. If you're protuned you need to add the kind of gas you're tuned for.

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>dirty car club

>>14210751
>Stay dirty

>>14210751
I actually haven't washed my car since summer time.

finally have no excuse since the fucking rain will stop for a week

>>14207741
Love my 2014 fist.
Bought second hand from a Mazda dealership with 12,000km on the car. Price was right and reaped the spoils of someone else's instant depreciation on a new vehicle. Negotiated purchase for 10,000 less than new or 4000 less than dealerships asking price. Only option not on the car is the sunroof.

38,000 km
Nothing to report outside of buying a winter wheel and tire package. Regular oil changes from Ford. The manual transmission is buttery smooth. The acceleration up to highway speed is strong with plenty of guts for passing. The speed and handling is fantastic for the cost of the vehicle. The Recaro buckets are amazing as long as you're under 200 lbs. Costs me 50 bucks to fill with premium and I get roughly 490- 520km to a tank depending on how spirited my driving is.

>>14208639
Going to be dipping my rims this winter. I also have the Oxford white. Was thinking of going with a matte black but that vintage gold looks great.

>>14210751
The front end looks much better without a plate.

>>14207741
Took one for a test drive today and it was shit. The auto revving thing when you go down gears is gay as hell.

You all basically drive automatics, you're all hairdressers.

>>14207919
>No temp gauge

Why is this a thing now? How do you know if your thermostat is fugged?

for those of you who bought new in the US how much did you end up paying?

seems like the normal MSRP is like 22-23k. You guys think I'd be able to talk them down to about 19.5 at least?

or am I much better off trying to find a low mileage used one?

>>14210819
Yep, that and the 'Hill assist' drove me nuts, luckily you can turn the assist off in the settings, and I had my tuner leave only a smidge of rev hang in the tune.

>>14210864
Mine has a every option, I got it OTD for $23.5k. You could get a base model for around $18k depending where you are.

>>14210808
They are mandatory in some states, thankfully not mine. I've seen the removable ones where it is mandatory and that looks better than the stock front plate imo.

>>14210878
hmm thanks, I guess I'll have to go see how many shekels I can jew away in person.

Almost all the ones I'm finding are black ( ._.)


heres some of the used stock around my area
https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/5358926771.html

http://www.roundrocktoyota.com/detail-2014-ford-fiesta-5dr_hatchback_st-used-14500480.html

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=415392899&Log=0

>>14210960
Maybe try emailing these guys and then taking that price to a dealer near you?

http://www.koonsbaltimoreford.com/new/Ford/2016-Ford-Fiesta-baltimore-maryland-86cde1f80a0e0ae704465759b17303ff.htm

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Old Fiestas welcome?

Part Ex'ing mine for an ST sometime next month. So much HYPE.

>>14210994
All Fiesta's welcome to the party. Would love to see an old mk1.

>>14210948
Mandatory in my province. Was looking into the show n go plate bracket to mount under the bumper to get a clean look at the grill.

Are toyo and Firestone tires good for a sports car such as the fiesta st? They are the cheapest ones available in my city.
The most expensive are the Michelin and bf Goodrich.

getting the sedan ver. of this bec my friends say hatchbacks are faggy

>>14212996
The only fiesta that isn't faggy is the ST.

>>14213347
Actually all versions are pretty solid, good bang for the buck.

>>14212996
Depends on yout likes and needs, sedna have larger trunks, and HB look sporty

>>14213347
But hatches are faggy

>>14213534
Your face is faggy.

>>14212996
your friends are dumb as fuck
so are you for believing them

>>14213517
Define sporty

>>14212996
>>14213534
>Hatches
>Bad

Why would you get a sedan when there's a hatchback available?

>>14213966
>>14213966
My gf's pussy dries up when she see's a hatchback. Most girls are like this

>>14213986
fiesta sedan is a joke though. it's just a hatch with a deformed arse

>>14213986
>choosing cars because of female preferences

>>14213990
if you put it that way then all sedans look like hatch with a deformed arse

>>14213986
I've known a lot of girls that comment on various cars, but I've never known one worth dating that would decide not to date somebody over a car unless it was a total piece of shit. All girls really care about is that your car is reasonably new.

going tomorrow to test drive one. it's kona blue

>>14214170
Cool, tell us how it went

http://petrolblog.com/2015/03/why-the-ford-fiesta-st-should-be-pulled-from-sale/

Definitely an appreciative post.

>>14214316
Lol I thought the article was going to be rambling about the amount of gas the Fiesta ST REALLY consumes, because everywhere I look people claim awesome gas effiency, as good as the yaris beign 4L 1.5 gas.

But no, he really loves that car.
To be fair I believe the factories can't fullfill demmand so that is something, also in America the Fiesta ST is build in mexico and venezuela.

>>14214126
>All girls really care about is that your car is reasonably new.
not with my miat

What's leg room like in these things? Anyone 6'3" or over drive one?

>>14214558
if you're 6'3 then consider buying a limousine

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>>14210751
sup

>>14208181
The irony of this comment is pretty funny

>>14214567
>sport compacts

The one place where manlets don't get

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>>14214558
Matt Farah is like 6'3 350lbs and he fits fine in one

Rear leg room is shit though

>>14210819
If you can't figure out how the auto rev into second works you're legit retarded

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meh. Ford Ecosport is better, higher ground clearance and doesnt look gay

>>14210819
Whats wrong with being a hairdresser??

>>14214739
You think that doesn't look gay?

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>>14214739

>>14214758
yes. Its manly. Goes perfectly with my beard and shades

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>>14207741
Still my favorite car, can't recommend one enough even after Stang, Miata and other more ludicrous shit

Oh yeah don't bother fucking with it, leave it stock and just enjoy it

>>14214850
Mountune, bro.

You can even keep warranty with some of their kits.

>>14214778
and boyfriend

>>14207741
but can it drift?

>>14216276
It can get hectic with some skidz but 'drift' isn't quite the right term. The tail does like to slide out behind it a fair amount.

>>14214729
Why would I want my car to rev match for me?

Why stop there? Why not just buy a Tesla and let the car drive itself and I'll watch.

The Mustang has rev matching on downshifts too.
Not really many other cars though. So it's quite a feature.
I rev match without even thinking about it and it doesn't impress anyone except some random pedestrians who hear it and know what you're doing. Except they probably think I'm in a dual clutch model anyway... So who gives a fuck.
It doesn't really impress anyone anyway

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>>14214261
>>14210989
test drive went ok. haven't driven a manual in like 1.5 years. stalled at two major lights and then pulled into a lot to practice a bit. I could tell the salesman was keking internally. really fun

kona blue 16 fiesta with sunroof, upgraded nav/audio, normal seats
msrp is 23.4k

sale price 22.9k
rebates 2k
TTL: 1.7k
down 3k
making my monthly at $298 72mo
I was hoping to get 250-275ish a month.

told the sales guy I'd think about it. that 2k rebate is because family/school and I can try at other ford dealers, but most fiesta st's new still go for 22-23

think I'm going to keep shopping around. probably going to have to find a used one.

>>14221038
I would say keep shopping. You can always give them a chance to come down further if you find a price you like better with a rival dealer.

>>14221038
Cool, so are you going for a Fiesta ST no matter what or considering other options??

>tfw no ST ver. in my country
Our fiesta's prob 120-150 HP but it looks like its still the better machine in its competition

shits sucks

>>14221345
I'd consider other options, but it fits what I want pretty well

>4 door (really just enough space for 2 adults and some medium dogs + luggage)
>hatch
>fun to drive
>manual preferred
>good fuel economy
>$20k~

>>14221130
yeah gotta check which other dealers around the area. There's like 6 ford dealers just really far apart

there's also a mega used car lot or something similar to what lpg works out down here i need to go check out.

>>14221550
>considering the hatch

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Sister has a 2011. I was impressed over her inability to know left from right, and how the car took an acute angle at 60 MPH. Tires screamed, car swayed, onlookers looked with amazement. But the car did it, and did it like a champ. That said, it shifts really fucking hard and slips. We'll have to replace it soon.

>>14221770
this is why you never let any wymin in the drivers seat

>>14221782
It's her car, and it was the very first time she drove it. Her very first car, so she was obviously excited to drive. Still, she gets mad over how my parents always ask me to drive lel. Oh, and I forgot to mention, we mean the transmission. As soon as we find a cheap parts car.

God damn it you fags stop making me want things. Especially when there is so much I already want.

>>14221801
are you going to change manual for automatic? why didn't you just get the Fiesta SE or Titanium?

Also how much making manual into automatic usually costs?

>>14207741
Hit one of them in my Focus the other day. Admittedly, it was 10 years old at the time, but a <10MPH impact corner to corner fucked up the bumper, boot lid jammed shut, and possibly the rear suspension too.
My Focus just got a hole in the bumper and a set of scrapes.

I'm never driving a Fiesta again, regardless of me not fitting in the damn things. Not after seeing what a slightly larger car does to them. I barely fucking felt the impact, but they got shunted forwards and fucked sideways.

How hard is it to import a 3-door Fiesta to NA? 5 doors are okay, but I don't need them and would appreciate the weightshed. Ripping out the rear seats would feel silly on our version.

>>14222603
just weld the back doors then paint it, how hard can it be you dumb fuck

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>>14208152
>fiesta rs

>implying it'll ever exist

>>14222603
The 3 door may be coming to the US I'd the Fiesta RS is a global vehicle. I know fiesta production is being shaken up and moving from Mexico to Thailand I believe.

>>14222782
If it's going to happen, it's going to be a 2 door version out of Cologne.

going to go check out a speed3 and a used focus st. waiting on the ST sales guy to call me back maybe.

hell might even test drive a new 3 hatch

>>14223892
>global vehicle

Yeah, but they won't bring it to America, because Americans can't appreciate good cars.
They'll just monkey model it for the US market, because that's all the US deserves.

>>14222313
Naw, just replace the automatic with another. Sister can't be assed to learn manual.

>>14224223
They are already binging the Focus RS from Cologne, can't be that harder to slip a few Fiesta's in there. The current USDM Fiesta ST is manufactured in Mexico, but production of the 4 door Fiesta platform is moving to Thailand this year. ( http://www.autonews.com/article/20130516/OEM01/130519912/ford-to-shift-fiesta-output-to-thailand-from-mexico-report-says )

So, that opens the door for both platforms (2 door and 4 door) to be imported into the US from over seas, which gives me some serious hope for a 2 door Fiesta RS in the States by MY2018/2019.

>>14224223
Spiteful, aren't we.

Got a focus st instead lads

>>14225955
Why you no buy Mexican party mobile?

>>14226375
Well a few reasons mostly it was cheaper and lowish miles and still had some factory warranty left.

Currently sitting in focus shit posting at the dealer

>>14226439
Is there much difference between FiST and FoST?

>>14226461
Focus is quicker, smoother ride, but the turning radius kinda sucks

Also there's space and looks

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muh 1.25

the mk7/7.5 looks well in white imo

>>14226439
Congrats on the purchase.

>>14226505
better without the plate number