>>14207567 Pavement Princess, you stupid faggot. At least get your slurs correct.
>>14207676 >I'm surprised the market hasn't been flooded with repossessed brodozers outfitted with welding gear.
You're also a stupid fuck. Why would a working man want a brotruck? you're guaranteed the lift isn't properly engineered, and now you're bed is an extra foot higher. Doesn't anyone here actually do any sort of outdoor work?
A lifted truck is just a status symbol, much like a beemer was back in the 80s, which is probably why scotty kilmer hates both of them.
>>14207790 >>14207830 >you're guaranteed the lift isn't properly engineered And what do you have to back that claim up? Do you really see Scotty Kilmrt as a source of authority? We've disproved the video in past threads.
>>14207811 You've never seen an actual working man, have you?
I lived in GA for a year and a half, and a year in TX. I've seen people who work and own brotrucks, but I've never once seen someone who's livelyhood depended on loading and unloading shit from the bed of their truck have a lifted anything. I worked in the oilfield. They didn't come out with lifted trucks filled with iron for us to unload.
>I meant the oilfield employees buy lifted brotrucks
I know what you fucking meant, that's not what I'm getting at. Anyone using their truck as an actual truck isn't going to stance or lift their truck.
Look, I'm not for or against lifting a truck. it's your money, do whatever. You have to know though that the majority of folks buying lifts for their vehicles are the same guys who're rarely able to afford to do things properly. I've lived in small town, large booming towns and it's always the same young kids wanting to lift their trucks on their shit salary.
If someone has the money to sink into a properly engineered lift, they're also probably smart enough not to be indebted to a creditor paying it off should something go wrong.
TL;DR people who lift trucks and have to sell them because they can't afford them, are rarely the same people to have the lift done properly.
>I meant the oilfield employees buy lifted brotrucks
I know what you fucking meant, that's not what I'm getting at.
It's like you can only read every other other other word.
but I've never once seen someone who's livelyhood depended on loading and unloading shit from the bed of their truck have a lifted anything. I worked in the oilfield. They didn't come out with lifted trucks filled with iron for us to unload.
I used the oilfield as my example of a typical labor job, where one would be expected to need the bed of a truck for their job. And no, in case you are really that thick, oilfield workers do not use their private vehicles in the oilfield.
Now, I've seen lead contractors show up in brotrucks, but that's because they don't actually work/bring supplies. Do yourself a favor, and look at what the mexicans in the crew are driving. They're the ones there to actually work.
>>14207931 It may be a hasty generalization, but that doesn't make it inaccurate. How many friends have you had with lifted trucks forced to sell them because they lost their job? Now, how many of those friends had their lift done properly? Fools and money are soon parted, as the saying goes. If you're smart enough/rich enough to afford the proper lift and suspension and sway bar/tension bars/cv adjustments, you probably don't stand to lose your truck at any moment. Quit being so defensive that you find yourself on a losing argument just because someone else made you salty.
>>14208133 When do you graduate? Are you going back to Scandinavia? What did your parents say when you blew the money they gave you for your education and well being on that truck and tacky paintjob? Do they know about your fur fetish?
>>14208193 If by pucks you mean body lift, then 0, if you mean blocks in the read, then a handful of people because a full leaf pack is unnecessary for most applications and significantly more expensive.
These threads never change. >says lifted truck >people who hate lifted trucks come to lifted truck thread to complain about lifted trucks >penis memes >lol nice opinion bro >continues for about 30 to 50 replies until one or both sides get bored.
What point? Everyone isn't getting laid off and "roughnecks" are smart with their money since they know someday they'll get their GED and would never take a loan to buy a big shitty truck in anticipation of future pay? It's such an unheard of thing and is not a cliche for US oilfield workers?
>>14208323 You;'re arguing that it is stupid for someone to spend their own money to do something they enjoy. I'm not sure how they do it where you're from, but you're autistic if you have a problem with this, in America we have the freedom to do so.
>>14208339 Yup, you're one of those special children. The original point was no one who relied on their truck to perform labor (in this case, you mentioned specifically welders/fabricators buying brotrucks from oilfield workers who couldn't afford them after the bust) would purchase a brotruck because the lift and work would be shoddy, and having a higher bed for them to unload heavy metals off of is not something anyone who does that sort of work day in and day out would ever do. I almost feel bad for even mentioning the oilfield as an example, because I thought you had enough brain cells to understand the comparison was to the work, not to the workers.
Too long, you can't read: honest laborers are not going to buy a lifted truck for their job.
Lift your truck, or don't, no skin off my bones. That said, isn't there a point where a lift becomes a little ridiculous? Like when you need a stepladder to get into the truck? Also, isn't it illegal in some states for a vehicles headlights to be over a certain height?
>>14208374 >I stuffed the money my parents gave me when they shipped to me Boone, North Carolina for my education at ASU College into the piece of shit truck that I had designed to get any attention I possibly could, because I'm a nobody.
Oh I get it. The personal tastes of you and other hardworking blue collars will determine how many of these poorly outfitted trucks repossessed from the money whizzes missing a finger or two actually actually wind up for sale. Because these trucks have stupid mods and only people hauling wood and concrete will consider buying them, the market will in fact not get flooded due to recently high layoff rates of their previous owners and the banks will instead have them crushed because said hardworking blue collar folk don't want them due to use requirements and nobody else in the truck market exists.
TL,YCR; Repossessed trucks gotta go somewhere and it's usually to the auction floor then the dealer and the personal needs of a small portion of prospective buyers will not change this, and dumb oilfield hicks loving their big dumb trucks is such a well known stereotype, they literally make movies about it. Pic related, the Mac is a cruel mistress.
>>14208416 Or for the tire profile to extend beyond the fenders, and usually they have illegal tint on them as well. Cops could go on a field day just randomly pulling over lifted mallcrawlers, they'd always find something.
>>14207892 >http://www.killeenautosales.net/vehicle/used-1998-chevrolet-c-k-3500-crew-cab-4dr-1685-wb-4wd-2028978.cfml A car dealer is never going to let it go that low. They probably bought it for $6-7k. They would just auction it or trade it with another dealer.
>>14210881 My measure is that $5k even at a loss is better than an old truck leaking fluids on their lot for months on end that they can't sell.
Honestly I don't really want the thing anyway, since it's so old it'll probably need a new transmission soon among other expensive things that could be fucked, so I'll go really low and if they bite then I save a buck I guess.
>>14207676 >I'm surprised the market hasn't been flooded with repossessed brodozers outfitted with welding gear.
I'm in Alberta and I view the local truck classifieds daily. From what I've noticed, looks like trucks are almost going up in value, especially diesels. The market isn't really getting flooded, mainly because the ones getting repo'd are all relatively new, and because I figure the last thing to go is the truck. All the sleds, dirt bikes, quads, boats, hot rods, motorcycles, or whatever other toys all get sold cause they're expendable (sleds are SUPER cheap right now, it's crazy), but they need the truck to get to work and make money in case they ever get rehired. Most guys haven't been out of work for even a year now, so lots are still getting by with whatever little they saved with the hopes that oil picks up sometime soon.
As well, with the weak Canadian dollar, lots of guys are selling their trucks to guys in the States and taking advantage of the exchange rate.
If oil stays how it is for another year though, the market will probably be flooded and for cheap too, since no one will be able to even buy anything because the whole province will be going broke.
>>14208100 >I used the oilfield as my example of a typical labor job, where one would be expected to need the bed of a truck for their job. And no, in case you are really that thick, oilfield workers do not use their private vehicles in the oilfield.
I don't know what "oilfield" you worked in, but whatever your experience was, you're completely wrong on a lot facts bud... On the drilling/service rigs and sites I've been too, lots everyone drives their own truck, because they get paid "truckbux" for having their own pick up on site, so they'd be shortchanging themselves by driving a company vehicle. Usually the only ones on site who are driving a company vehicle are those who are providing 3rd party oilfield services on the rig, but the main core of guys working on the rig (driller, roughneck, push) have their own trucks there.
As well, driving on lease roads, especially around spring time, is an absolute mess and having big mud tires for the extra grip and ground clearance helps immensely. I'm sure most rigpigs main reason for lifting their truck is for aesthetic purposes, but it sure comes in handy around breakout time. Pic related.
As putting shit in the bed of the trucks, lots of oilfield guys just have their slip tank and maybe the occasional tool/supplies/whatever gets thrown in, but for the most part they don't need to use their bed all that much.
(btw, I understand that there's most positions and work in the oilfield than just on drilling rigs...)
>>14210693 You no longer know what the topic was about, that's cool. Go find your coloring book, and have it little tyke.
No one uses a lifted a truck for a profession. They're status symbols, like I've said before in this thread. Oilfield layoffs or not, it's not going to jose suddenly decide to upgrade his truck to something he can't lift his lawn mower into anymore, much less some mountain man trying to load up a cord of wood into a 5' high bed.
>>14212338 I was working in fracturing, so all the iron I mentioned boiled down to piping and valves. If someone brings out a 4" check valve, that's about 200lbs of iron to load into a bed, and unload. Crews were also loaded up in vans from the yard, and then driven out to location to minimize accidents/delays in waiting for dipshits who got lost. The company I worked for also had a drilling side, but they followed the same guidelines as the frac side. Hell, even the water drilling operations I've been to don't use their civies. You must have been doing some small time operations or maybe you're a canuk. They seem to do things fairly differently there.
I think you're just dragging me into an argument you were having with some other anon. All I'm saying/said is ruffneks/pipeliers tend to buy stupid shit (see trucks and or modifications) with their newfound wealth and also tend to forget they work in a boom/bust industry so when a bust happens their shit gets repo'd. I'm fully aware that many of their trucks tend to never see the rig/pipe/pile of dirt/mud hole they work on. However, I'm aware that many of them do when they don't have a company pickup to use or prefer their own. Many people buy vehicles that do not suit them or their planned use for it well. These people exist in real life (I know, it' scary). Because these unthinkable vehicles exist and are oft' owned by freshly unemployed individuals without the foresight to save their money in such a volatile profession, their big retarded truck at home sometimes gets repo'd since they blew all their money on the truck and a huge house they couldn't afford and marry a fat chick and plop out 5 equally loud and stupid kids. Because two of those things are usually owned by the bank, it's the bank that takes the truck back, not whoever laid them off. As a result of this newly discovered phenomenon, many big dumb lifted trucks suddenly enter the market as the bank ties to sell them to attempt to get their money back. When this happens, the market for used-big-dumb-trucks gets what we doctors call "flooded".
>>14213668 see >>14207676 Was that you, or someone pretending to be you? Your original topic was >I'm surprised the market hasn't been flooded with repossessed brodozers outfitted with welding gear. To which I replied >Why would a working man want a brotruck?
From there, you got hung up on oilfield this, and oilfield that, which really had nothing to do with the topic at hand, but was merely an example of my first hand experience with labor. I could have made a comparison to metal fabricators which I should have as it wouldn't have resulted in you getting stuck on oilfield layoffs, and oilfield workers assuming I was talking about no one in the oilfield buys them.
To reiterate: brotrucks aren't worth the money to repurpose for labor. They are there for show.
A flooding in the market would never make a lifted truck cost less than a standard single cab truck would, so that's a non-issue.
>From there, you got hung up on oilfield this, and oilfield that, which really had nothing to do with the topic at hand
That was probably because I was replying to this, maybe >>14207638 I mean he only says"lifted trucks" and "d-bag oil workers" but I can see how you thought I was talking about all blue collar workers that use trucks for anything, and not specifically d-bag oil workers in their lifted trucks.
serious question. i always hear people going on about how these huge diesel trucks are so amazing because you can just add a tune and i think a dpf delete and theyll be turning out 800 ft lbs of torque at the wheels and running 10s or something ridiculous, but i have never seen one run anything quicker than maybe a high 12 in person. most modified trucks ive seen are running mid 13s and up.
i go racing at street nights at the dragstrip fairly often and some nights up to 50% of the vehicles there are heavily modified diesel trucks and there are so many there they have to switch off every 30 mins or so between letting trucks run and letting everyone else run, so i have plenty of time to sit there and watch these things make passes against each other. these people all talk so much and i have destroyed every single one i have raced. none of them ive talked to at the track have ever had a slip faster than what i can run consistently (mid 12s), yet in everyday life i hear people talking about their 11 second trucks like my little awd turbo 4 cylinder is a slow piece of garbage.
(i did lose to a truck once at the track, but it was to a supercharged v6 gas-powered tundra from what i could tell, didnt have a chance to talk to him)
can giant trucks like this actually fast or are they just 'fast for an 8000lb truck'? i understand my cars not that fast which is why i dont really brag about it, but its quick for a stock trim dd pump gas street car and i just feel like im missing something here.
>>14214199 >800 ft lbs of torque yes >running 10s no
You[re not going to find a super fast crew cab full size truck easily, but you're more likely to find a fast single cab race truck. Pic related runs 9s. The tuned and deleted trucks are fast for 8000lbs and DDs, unlike anything else really with that much power. Then there's the actual race trucks that are fast compared to anything, but they're usually lighter and not DDs.
>>14214265 yeah i mean ive seen plenty of fast full race-trim trucks that dont get driven on the street, but thats different, im talking about trucks people dd. i can believe the 800 ft lbs thing, but like you said, the times just arent there.
i can just imagine what the torque curve would look like on one of those things. are they only making their 800 ft lbs from like 1500-2500 and then it just falls off a cliff and they top out at 250 whp or something?
Izuzu trooper '99 Driven 206k km 3.0 Turbo diesel, new engine from supplier At 100k km Seating for 7, leather seats Magellan Nav 6510c gps Cb statuon and everything resdy for VHF Is on 38" tires
New clutch and swing wheel 40k km ago 2 disel tanks with pump between Working lights Some extra stuff like range rocer springs and an an tire pressure management system and an extra electrical system Dunno if anybody in this threads knows anything about snow driving or off roading at all since most of the trucks itt are american Broken steering ball joints (This is easy to replace right?) Should I buy this lads
>>14207901 A typical lift kit is designed to lift a truck so as to make room for larger tires. For some off road uses, larger tires are generally much preferred over smaller tires. Large tires make for small obstacles.
All of you armchair offroaders seem to think that capability is linear and the only trucks you like are prerunners and Tacomas. Prerunners are not the most capable trucks. They're purpose built for a single usage scenario. Tacomas are just shit boxes.
For a general purpose offroad truck, a small lift is preferred. For deep mud, large lifts are preferred.
>>14207811 Lifting your truck makes the bed harder to access, and it makes navigating tight spots tougher. It makes the truck less practical, and all it does is make you look like a douche that needs to stand out without spending too much money.
>>14214199 I love my diesel, but you definitely have douches talk a lot of shit about how fast their trucks are. Unless its older dodge trucks, it takes some serious work to get them into the 11's or deeper. They are fast for what they are.
Most diesel trucks you run into are not going to be running faster than 13's on the 'fast' end. My fastest time with my duramax was 12.6 and I put more money into it than it was worth. You've got a lot of ignorance in the truck community due to more money than brains and...
It makes it feel like it's much faster than it is. 1000ft lb is fun so most 4 cylinder for most truck guys 'feels' slower.
>>14219770 >Lifting your truck makes the bed harder to access Contrary to popular belief, for most people it's no issue to lift something a few inches higher to get it into the bed. It literally doesn't matter. If this is your best argument, then you really don't have an argument. You're better off arguing the fuel savings of folding small sport mirrors in on the highway. Or the aerodynamic disadvantage of having cab lights.
Now if you're arguing that it's difficult to use a mud truck on 54s with a two foot lift for work. Well, obviously. That's why you don't use a dedicated mud truck on tractor tires as a daily driven work truck. No one does that, no one tries to do that, and no ones says you should do that.
>and it makes navigating tight spots tougher. Lift alone does not at all make navigating tight spots harder unless you're talking about a massive lift and extreme off camber tight spots. But at that point, the shape and construction of the vehicle matters more than a lift.
On close to level ground, it makes next to no difference. and on level ground, it makes literally zero difference. "Stance" or otherwise protruding wheel/tire combos are a different story, as well as tires tall enough or wide enough to rub springs or body and inhibit steering. But the lift itself is mostly irrelevant. In some cases the lift can make navigating tight spots easier if it's preventing tire rub.
>It makes the truck less practical Like capability, practicality is not linear. How practical a given mod can be depends almost entirely on the intended usage of the vehicle.
tl;dr: Just because it doesn't work for you or you don't like it doesn't mean that it doesn't work for others
>>14207555 Just gave it to my dad because currently it's a big drain on finances. He'll take care of it, probably garage it for a few years til I can finally get around to working on it again. RIP Helga
>>14220077 Not the guy you responded to, but lifted trucks are only harder to navigate in places that require a better turning radius. It's actually easier to park when you're backing in when you can see exactly where the edge of your tire is in the mirror if you have enough offset.
>>14220077 >If we're all pavement queens anyway I guess this is a moot point, amirite? Quite the contrary. It's the people that don't use trucks like trucks claiming it makes them less practical. Because if you're using a truck in place of a small city car, then a lift DOES make it less practical. The extra rotating mass of the larger tires you'll likely be installing with it will hurt your fuel economy with no gain since you're not really doing anything with the truck.
To the people that do use the trucks like trucks and have a reason for a lift, it can seem practical. For instance, $200 on military 37s can be more practical than $1200 on a set of 285/75R16s. $200 on a lift to clear those is practical since money is still saved and the larger tires can be beneficial depending on what you use the truck for.
When you hear someone say that lifts in general are impractical, you know they're not even thinking in a manner that lets them comprehend uses for a truck other than what they do, which likely doesn't require 4x4.
>>14220131 Turning radius is only affected if you get tires that affect inboard turning.
>>14220159 Unless you're adding tires more massive than anything in this thread then it won't affect fuel economy in any noticeable way. I've gone thru many different combos never changed my economy personally.
I never understand the practical notion when it comes to diesels. Unless you are making money with your truck then they are in no way more 'practical' in any sense. The potential fuel costs are 9/10 overridden by maintenance and initial cost. My truck was about 60k when I got it.. if I didn't make money with it there is no way in fuck that I'd own it.
>>14220163 >>14220233 Some ifs lifts do affect turning radius and others require you to run wheels with more offset, which does affect turning radius. And generally when you lift a truck, you'll run a bigger and wire tire which, depending on what truck they're on, may require wheels with more offset or wheel spacers so there isn't inner rubbing. I was saying lifted vehicles will nearly always have worse turning radiuses but the change is really minimal.
>>14220048 >Contrary to popular belief, for most people it's no issue to lift something a few inches higher to get it into the bed.
Please get a blue collar job and come back and make that assertion again. I hate modern trucks because they have a higher lift than the early to mid 90s full size trucks. There's a point on your body when you go from lifting with the mechanics of your joints not being stressed, and once you pass your navel, the effort and exertion applied to your elbows, wrists, and shoulders are massively compromised as the weight now has to be applied with rotation and in a way that the joint isn't the most efficient. typical carrying height is enough to load something into a standard bed (which is why most trucks beds are the height they are) which is the optimum scenario for carrying something.
This might sound like a small gripe, 'ooh, what's an extra 6 inches?' but if your day in and day out job requires you loading and unloading a couple hundred pounds of supplies every day, you'd quickly understand why you don't see lifted trucks driving out with a crew of mexicans in it.
>>14220425 >if i wanted aesthetics I'd be a hairdresser Aesthetics are taken into mind with nearly everything in your life. Your car, phone, clothes, house and more all had aesthetics in mind when designed. Too bad the designers of your car were not good at thoeir job, though. And the only way you can argue this if you're literally a bum who lives in a cardboard box.
>>14220509 It's used there isn't a truck bed that'll carry all the equipment we use. It also makes it easier for cleanup to throw things in a trailer and dump later. If I'm going to be loading and unloading something I'd rather have a ramped trailer.
>>14220412 Blue collar here. The only time it matters is when trying to lift buckets up and over the tailgate without dropping the tailgate.
The solution: drop the fucking tailgate. Problem solved. With anything that hangs over the tailgate, it's easier to lift with your shoulder, so being a few inches taller actually makes it easier to lift.
But you don't think about that. The only thing you think about is one thing you do or might not even do. Multipurpose trucks and versatility are lost on you, aren't they?
>>14220762 >bring truck with small lift to neighborhood mechanic for routine front brake replacement >how bad could he be
>makes a video implying your truck has a neverending list of severe mechanical issues due entirely to the small lift >he's uncomfortable driving the truck at 5mph due to fear of violently flipping over >blames tire wear on lift >not on the fact that they were used tires you bought on CL that you know wear faster than highway tires because they have a softer compound >he tries to say you've got extreme CV angles >they're stock angles >to make matters even worse he doesn't even know what the CV axle is called >you trusted this man with your vehicle
>>14220762 Nope, it was lifted through means of a torsion bar crank and that's why it was eating cv axles. A proper lift wont do that. But a proper lift costs more than 1 grand, so most hicks just do a tbar crank.
>>14220833 It's got a lift. Looks like the keys have been turned up a little bit but the angles aren't extreme. The CVs and boots look factory, the truck probably has 200k+ miles on it so a tear in the boot isn't out of the ordinary.
I like trucks, and I like lifted trucks. But the overwhelming majority oh trucks that gets posted in these threads are gaudy ass brotrucks. It's no wonder most of /o/ hates lifted trucks; this is all they see. There are lot more than these oversized, fashion show tier mistakes.
Also, apparently only huge trucks get lifted. I'm obviously slightly biased (or at least not blinded) because I have a small truck, but smaller trucks get lifted too.
I wish there were more than just full-size brotrucks posted in these threads.
Truck based SUVs are also great. I don't see many lifted, be it in pictures or IRL but they tend to look damn good when I do. My dad's buddy's got a lifted Bronco with a great exhaust. Looks and sounds mean.
Anyone who ignores a true SUV as a truck has their head up their ass. Both pickups and SUVs have their benefits and purposes - some shared, some not. Way too many people have stopped viewing vehicles like yours as trucks and has helped lend a hand in the pussification of SUVs into either a crossover of an SUV that may as well be one.
Your truck is awesome and is no less truck than a pickup.
>>14220533 Not what I was getting at. What I mean is: why buy a lifted truck and a trailer, when a non lifted truck doesn't require an extra expensive hitch to lower the ball, has an easier access bed, and can tow with a lower center of gravity than a lifted truck? They're also cheaper, typically last longer, and have a cheaper repair bill than their lifted counter-parts.
Offroad scene is definitely not about turning heads, nor is the sleeper scene. Some scenes attract scuzzy people who just want attention, but there are those who're about pushing the limits genuinely or just pushing their vehicles limits within a budget.
>>14221052 You can get a drop hitch for a couple more bucks than a regular hitch. The expensive drop hitches are the adjustable ones, which aren't really necessary if you know how much the correct amount of drop is.
>>14221134 >Offroad scene is definitely not about turning heads The lifted truck scene is. Don't get the lifted scene mixed up with the true off-road Jeep guys, they're two completely separate worlds besides some brands making parts for both scenes.
>>14221167 >tastefully modify my 78 bronco >it's perfectly capable of light offroading, don't plan on anything extreme with it >dude why didn't you put like 35 or 38 >dude put a 35" lift on it >dude throw a blown 460 in it >dude bro black it out bro
>>14221093 >doesn't make you right. That's the issue. you think there's right and wrong. You think what you happen to do is right, and what others do for a living is wrong.
There is no right or wrong in this case, just different. Stop looking for a damn argument you complanitory little child. I do lift heavy shit. Having to lift it 3.5' instead of 3' is a non fucking issue because I'm not looking for excuses to complain about my job or what other people do to their vehicles.
>>14221167 >true off-road Jeep guys Most of the Jeep guys are as bad if not worse than the general lifted truck crowd.
>>14221052 >when a non lifted truck doesn't require an extra expensive hitch to lower the ball The price difference is a non issue and some trailers are tall enough to start with you don't need a drop hitch with a small lift.
>has an easier access bed See >>14220048 It's not even worth bringing up for a reasonable lift that a reasonable person would put on a truck that they regularly needed to use the bed. We're talking 2-6" lifts here, not 9-15"
>and can tow with a lower center of gravity than a lifted truck? Literally doesn't matter. Raising the COG of your truck 2-4" isn't going to make a difference. You MIGHT notice slightly more dive in an emergency stop. It doesn't affect performance or towing ability.
>They're also cheaper By the price of the lift and oversize tires. If those weren't already worth the money, people clearly would not buy them. Obviously the lift and tires cost money, were you under the impression that the people buying them thought they were free?
>typically last longer Depends on usage. If you're going to be beating on your work truck on trails on the weekend, that's going to accelerate wear with or without a lift.
>and have a cheaper repair bill than their lifted counter-parts If a shop charges you more to change the same brakes or repair the same body damage because your truck is lifted, then you need to go to a different shop. Or, you know, do the shit yourself like any half competent person that would ever claim to be an enthusiast.
While getting/building something you can't afford it stupid, and irritates me as well, it's not an issue that should be brought up every time anyone buys or does anything car related. Focus more on the vehicles and less on the people who owns them.
Yeah you're definitely right. My mistake. There is a big difference between those who do real mods for purpose and those who do mods that look like real mods for show. Not that I am against show mods, but too often the crowd is shitty. But yes, there are a lot of cool dudes who modify shit to see what they can get out of it.
>>14222312 >Literally doesn't matter. Raising the COG of your truck 2-4" isn't going to make a difference
I'll concede this point if you can link me any truck in this thread with a 2-4" lift. I'm more speaking to someone who fashion lifts their truck, not someone who has a particular rough spot on the trail leading to their cabin.
>By the price of the lift and oversize tires. If those weren't already worth the money, people clearly would not buy them. Obviously the lift and tires cost money, were you under the impression that the people buying them thought they were free?
Speaking about the used market. Most guys buying a truck for hard work buy used knowing that the truck is going to be beat on regularly and most older trucks are still solid work horses at a much lower cost; or I guess fleet sales, which means cheapest everything. Most companies are about saving money and maximizing profits, after all.
Still standing by extra bed height needlessly makes a job harder, so it's not a sought after trait, especially for local companies in a city. There might be "a reasonable lift, by a reasonable person" somewhere in the boons where road access is non existent, but they're the rarer of the ilk.
>Depends on usage. If you're going to be beating on your work truck on trails on the weekend, that's going to accelerate wear with or without a lift. I think we've lost the topic at hand. Still talking about workers using trucks for work. If you have the money to go out and play on the weekends, then you probably were smart enough to have a truck for your job, and a private truck that you can do whatever with. You might be retarded enough though to use your money making truck to go innawoods to mud or whatever. Not a smart idea risking your livelihood for shenanigans, but I guess we're talking pure hypothetical here.
Last point is if it needs a ladder to work on the engine, there's a fee. most working class guys can't afford to not work while they diy.
>>14224073 >I'll concede this point if you can link me any truck in this thread with a 2-4" lift. I'm more speaking to someone who fashion lifts their truck, not someone who has a particular rough spot on the trail leading to their cabin. Most of the trucks posted in this thread are show trucks, not work trucks. Very, very different.
>Speaking about the used market. Buy stock and put the lift on. In most cases that's far easier than buying a truck that's already lifted because stock trucks are far more common.
>>14224073 >I think we've lost the topic at hand. Still talking about workers using trucks for work. Purely work use company owned fleet truck? I'm talking about multipurpose trucks. Say a POV that's wheeled on the weekends, construction during the week. If the lift and tires assist you even one time in getting your tools and material across a muddy job site, that's already saved far more effort than it takes to lift them an extra few inches. Let's not forget that momentum is a thing and realistically if you're lifting stuff all day into a bed that requires 100% effort, then you're probably doing your job wrong or just don't even lift in which case you're in the wrong field and should stick to flipping burgers.
>>14222278 >Most of the Jeep guys are as bad if not worse than the general lifted truck crowd. that's what the true and off-road before meant, not the soccer mom Jeeps. This also applies to all the people out there off-roading in anything from land cruisers to mitsubishis
>>14227383 Obnoxious spacer lift trucks with fake beadlockers and fake rivets over everything is just signalling of the affliction t-shirt crowd on the road. It's the manifestation of nigger perversion among low-IQ whites. All the lifted trucks in this thread are as bad as stancefags.
If you have actual practical lifts that are good for off-road use (like a full travel kit or even a good coilover/shocks kit), that is different, but almost everything in this thread is nigger-tier white trash bullshit.
>>14225304 >Very, very different yup, that's my point. honestly, I'm not giving you shit on your defense of lifted trucks because there's four or five in the US that are less than 4" aftermarket lifted, even though I'd figure you wouldn't consider those 'brotrucks' and thus wouldn't need to defend them when someone complains about needless lift.
>Buy stock and put the lift on. you're not only missing my point, but you're refuting your own by concluding that a working joe is going to want to lift their work truck, and not just buying a lifted truck because it was available and cheap (they are never cheap, regardless of what you might try to argue next).
>I'm talking about multipurpose trucks. Say a POV that's wheeled on the weekends, construction during the week. Then that worker doesn't have his priorities straight. You don't shit where you eat, that simple. Also: what sort of construction site is going to require lift to get across? If you're mudding that deep, then chances are your foundation isn't even ready and is too wet to even do anything with.
>Let's not forget that momentum is a thing and realistically if you're lifting stuff all day into a bed that requires 100% effort...etc etc, personal attack mr salt lick.
Learn about lifting before you start talking big, hombre. This isn't a gym, and not everything is ergonomic for lifting. Most things I load require slinging it up to your hips to get a better grip on it. I already posted a pic of a triple swivel for the oilfield. Those things weigh in excess of 198lbs, to 208 according to the pdf I just looked up for chiksan; and that's not the heaviest thing I've slung by myself into a bed. a 4" check valve probably takes that award.
More specifically, it's attempting to fake or pass as something to identify the owner with something he is specifically not a part of. In the case of fake beadlocks, with being hardcore bad to the bone off-roaders.
>>14227837 >there's four or five in the US that are less than 4" aftermarket lifted Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound? Rough Country right now has 131 lifts available for GM trucks, 74 of which are 4" or under, and 121 of which are 6" or under. 66 Lifts for Dodge trucks, 42 of which are 4" or under and all of which are 6" or under. 110 lifts for Ford trucks, 70 of which are 4" or under. Need I go on or are you starting to get the idea?
>I'd figure you wouldn't consider those 'brotrucks' Please point out where I even mentioned the word 'brotrucks" or defended 'brotrucks' in specific. I'm pointing out the fact that the fucktards that go on about 'hurr durr lifts make a truck useless' have no idea what they're talking about or how lifts affect the performance or utility of a truck in certain areas. Literally the ONLY fucking thing that can even conceive is lifting small 200 lb objects by hand and loading them into the bed ALL DAY EVERY DAY. I'd go so far as to say that makes up less than 0.01% of total truck owners and should not be used a blanket assumption on usage to judge a truck's utility on.
>but you're refuting your own If that's what you think, then you've missed my point entirely. Please point out where you saw me say that lifts are good because you can find huge lifted show trucks on the used market cheaper and easier than stock trucks. Please, point that the fuck out because I don't recall it.
>they are never cheap, regardless of what you might try to argue next While not common you can indeed find lifted trucks cheap. Don't assume that just because you haven't seen any while not fucking shopping for any that they are not out there. Common sense buddy. I don't shop for stanced cars so I'm not going to make claims as to what they're worth or how cheap you can find them. Same should apply to you in this case. Do research, don't just fucking guess to support your terrible point like you've been doing this entire time.
>>14227837 >Then that worker doesn't have his priorities straight. Right, because if you drive your truck to work and occasionally use it for work, you should not be permitted to wheel it. Am I allowed to take it on the fucking beach, you commie bastard? By wheeling on the weekends I'm not talking about fucking prerunning the truck and testing how high I can jump it before the fucking frame bends. Bumping into a damned pine tree and denting the bumper or scratching the mirror is not going to affect how the truck performs when it's needed for work.
>Also: what sort of construction site is going to require lift to get across? That question right there tells me you don't work in construction unless it's late interior/detail work. A fucking lot of job sites are torn up muddy messes for far longer than they should be. I can't even tell you how many times I've seen a Lull or man lift stuck.
>Learn about lifting before you start talking big, hombre. This isn't a gym, and not everything is ergonomic for lifting What the fuck does ergonomics have to do anything? I'm sorry if you have to strain your pretty little hands and use fucking 4chan as an outlet to whine about your imaginary job. Do you think momentum doesn't apply outside of gyms? In that case, neither should gravity and you'll be fine. You're probably a fucking grocery bagger anyway.
>>14228414 Every time I've bothered to respond to you, you drop the previous arguement entirely, then nitpick the tiny details of my statements to move the goalposts yet again. I've responded fully to every one of your points and have been compliant all your points save maybe the hitch detail as that was just a minor point. The amount of aftermarket does not reflect the saturation of said aftermarket (and it was obviously a hyperbole in the first place). I've used the term brotrucks several times, not you. I was attacking brotrucks, and you took it upon yourself to defend all lifted trucks blindly. My stance this entire time has been from a workers standpoint, not interested in buying oilfield money brotrucks. So yes, because of my clear cut stance, and your attacks, I have to assume you're defending brotrucks (which was my topic you attacked) as being utilitarian AND the go to choice for used sells. You never claimed your defending stance, whereas I did. If you did defend anything, it was always with the clause 'reasonable', to which there is none in a brotruck. So, my points still stand.
Their price is taken as a median. Just because I might be able to get a cheap brotruck because someone's son died, and they don't want to be reminded of his face when they look at it, doesn't suddenly make lifted trucks cheap in the used market. Basically, go to any used car lot, and check their pricing. They're going to be more homogenized, and reflect the value of the vehicle as far as the market interest goes. Quit trying to worm your way out by pleading about the 1% of the time.
There are also tons of jobs that do moderate lifting for long enough that it would become quite taxing to repetitively lift above their midriff. Hell, even weekend activities like tossing a cord of wet wood into the back of truck would quickly get annoying with that extra lift...and again, a brotruck would be borderline impossible. I'd hate to caber toss a cord into a truck.
>>14228485 >and occasionally use it for work you moved the posts again, as I said people using their trucks for their livelihoods, not some guy who brings his craftsman toolbag to work.
If equipment can't move across a site, then you're not going to be doing much work anyways. Not that I'm saying you'd be let off for the day, but it'd be pretty easy to explain to the boss you couldn't fucking get your truck over there with the materials, when everyone else is stuck too.
Ergonomics: (n) The applied science of equipment design, as for the workplace, intended to maximize productivity by reducing operator fatigue and discomfort.
It's okay, not a commonly used word, I'll let you slide. If something was designed to be carried, it can be quite a pain in the ass to load. Try to pick up a 45lb lead ball, and then try to pick up a 45lb bar. See my point? Sometimes you gotta adjust things in order to get them up high enough to load. You can't just lift everything with your back, or grab nonmoving handles. Some things articulate, some things are smooth, and other are extremely large and hard to grab. But you knew all that, because you do hard labor.
>>14228606 >Every time I've bothered to respond to you, you drop the previous arguement entirely Really? Here's my initial points. >>14222312 Which of those points have I dropped or contradicted?
My entire fucking point was that lifting a truck does not have the ill effects you implied. Obviously I was never talking about putting your daily driven work truck on tractor tires, or trying to work out of a show truck on a 15" lift as I believe I've already pointed out at least once.
All of your points get shut the fuck down, so you grasp at straws. >but what if the only thing you do is load 4" check valves into a truck all day every day and you're a weak manlet Then don't fucking lift your truck. I'm not telling you that it makes sense to lift every truck, and I never did. I'm simply telling you that for a great many people, a lift is not going to take away any measurable amount of utility from the truck.
If you are arguing against this, in a lifted truck thread, that implies you're arguing that lifting a truck ALWAYS takes away utility and that it NEVER a good idea to lift a truck. You're arguing about what other people do to their trucks based on what YOU do. Do you see the fucking issue there?
>The amount of aftermarket does not reflect the saturation of said aftermarket (and it was obviously a hyperbole in the first place) From a business standpoint, why put your research and design into creating a fuckton of lifts for a lift height that doesn't sell? That wouldn't make sense. They make those lifts because they DO sell, believe it or not. The trucks posted in a lifted truck thread on /o/ does not reflect market saturation of lift kits.
>Their price is taken as a median Hold on, let's back up here a second. >they are never cheap >never That's what you said. Now who's moving goalposts? In case this one is a little bit too difficult for you, I'll give a hint: It's you.
>>14228606 >There are also tons of jobs that do moderate lifting for long enough that it would become quite taxing to repetitively lift above their midriff Please point out where I recommended a lift for all jobs. The straw man arguments never end with you. You haven't pointed out anything I've asked you to. You're tearing down arguments that you're making up on your own. It's you vs you.
>>14228654 >you moved the posts again Did I? Please point out where in our conversation this specific goalpost was set. I'll wait, if you want.
>but it'd be pretty easy to explain to the boss you couldn't fucking get your truck over there with the materials, when everyone else is stuck too. Maybe if your boss likes hearing excuses. >sorry boss, my lowered 2WD truck can't get over there and I'm just really not up to lifting anything onto my shoulder to carry myself since it's above my midriff, so we stared at the material for half a day on the clock and then went home early.
>ergonomics is irrelevant to the argument >proceeds to define ergonomics Once again, most people's jobs do not involve loading 4" check valves into a fleet of trucks 10 hours a day and a I doubt yours does either. I'd wager that I'd sooner find a lifted truck for cheap than find someone that loads 4" check valves or 45 lb lead balls into truck beds for 10 hours a day. But I guess that whole 1% argument only goes one way. Who's moving the goalposts now? Who's been moving the goalposts the entire fucking time?
Hey /o/, I'm not big on cars though I'm in the market for a truck. I used to own a 94 ranger that I sold because of an ex and am looking for another truck, along the lines of a Ranger or Tacoma. Something I can use for camping and fishing, my focus does well in town and on trips bit I've gotten it stuck more than once while at the lake. I found this and have been heavily considering it for $2200, it has a vacuum leak and the check engine light is on, other than that it looks rather good imo. Is it a decent deal or should I hold off on something else?
Its not lifted and the mileage is very reasonable for the year, my 2000 focus is sitting at 213k. I'd be in it for just under $3k after fixing the vacuum leak, lift kit and tires which doesn't seem all that bad.
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