>Flatbead Wrangler coming in 2018
>The Ford Ranger is back in 2018 as well
Do the car manufacturers no something we don't? Why this sudden rush for small pickups after leaving them for dead? CAFE being reworked after the emissions summit perhaps? Or maybe the Chicken Tax is on the way out.
Small truck general I guess.
I'm glad to see small trucks coming back, I don't want a full-size with a crew cab or extended cab. I just want a smaller truck that's easier to operate, and have enough space to haul around all the hunting and fishing gear, as well as be more useful for work.
If only it would be fitted with a D44/D60 F/R and a 4 cylinder Cummins ISB with varying body styles and wheelbases. Then you'd have a true Landcruiser competitor... At least it'd have LR Defenders beat.
RIP in peace my beautiful friend.
Wasted the insurance money by not buy another light truck. Regret it.
COOL FACTOR ASIDE, would a station wagon do all of the things ya'll want from these trucks?
honest question, I like little trucks too
>Why this sudden rush for small pickups after leaving them for dead?
Because auto makers were betting on that market drying up, and it didn't. If anything there is a greater demand for them now than there ever has been. My dealership can't fucking keep small pickups in inventory, we sell almost all of them in less than 48 hours, and they are crazy profitable
both Ford and Dodge has small trucks. Ford had that weird ford escape truck thing, and up until recently Dodge had the Dakota. but Chevy/GMC never stopped making small trucks ie: s10 and Colorado/Canyon. Toyota has had the Tacoma, Nissan has the frontier, and Honda sorta was in it with the ridgeline. Small trucks never disappeared, they are just getting newer models. Also the best small truck right now is definitely the Colorado/Canyon with the 2.8l Duramax. I like the Tacoma to, but I wish Toyota would sell diesels in the US.
Would any of these be suitable as first trucks? Right now I'm driving this Camry until it dies, but it's running on it's last legs. I've found myself needing to haul a lot of shit, and having to borrow my cousin's truck constantly for work.
I don't want a big truck, and I used to drive an F-250 for work and never quite liked it, but driving my cousin's B-Series felt great overall.
I have almost $100k in savings right now after 4 years of spending like a jew. I planned to build a house with the money, but decided against it after I got a job that has me travelling all around the Gulf Coast.
Budget on the truck would be $30k-$50k. I'd like to keep it cheaper, but I do want to buy something new or built within the past few years. I've gone half my life buying beater cars until they rust apart or get wrecked by careless drivers. I figured I'd like to splurge and buy myself something new for a change.
Gasoline, don't care much for diesel, and I won't be using the truck to the fullest of it's ability.
I would say the Colorado/Canyon is probably the best right now, followed by the Tacoma. They are both very nice trucks, they look good, have tons of options and engine packages depending on need and budget, and have good hauling and towing ratings. Either of these trucks you really can't lose.
When did Ford stop making the Ranger? I thought they were still making them and selling them outside the US. Though they're hideous and pigfat now, nothing like the old boxy body which looks so damn good.
A buddy of mine is looking at getting a Colorado. Apparently they get pretty good crash test ratings which kind of surprised me.
Those trucks are still pretty big though. I want a truck without the cuck back seats and a size closer to the 80s rabbit trucks.
No one makes a small truck anymore... All of them are "small" trucks, which are just midsize trucks, and all of them are crew cab now, but I have to say, they aren't cuck back seats, they are proper full sized back seats. So at least there is that. If you want a small single cab you are going to have to get an older truck. Like an earlier Colorado, because they stopped making single cab tacoma's pretty quickly.
I would get the RAM Express. 5.7 hemi so you can enjoy v8 power, full size truck for real hauling and towing, Short box so like driving a large sedan, ram has best riding suspension right now.
I didn't realise that was true.
I'm planing on buying a new tacoma towards the end of the year and I was debating a single cab with a long bed or the access cab.
I never looked into it til now. Fuck Toyota for deciding for me.
Well they stopped making single cab, because people were buying the crew cab more. it is honestly more practical. You get the small truck size, the carrying capacity just short of a short bed, and you can carry more than one other person. I think the single cab is more of a style choice on small trucks. Larger trucks you are really adding weight and reducing cargo capacity to much to not have a single cab. Also fleet trucks need to be single cab to be as cheap as possible, and since no one uses small trucks as fleet vehicles anymore, they don't need to make them. But if you are looking at the Tacoma, you should also look at the Colorado. They are identically sized, but the Colorado makes more power, and they have slightly nicer interiors and about the same fuel economy.
Manufacturers found that their smaller trucks weren't selling in the numbers they'd like, mostly because full size trucks had cash on the hood so it didn't make any financial sense to buy a base model compact over a base model full size. It still doesn't, but manufactures also found that people have no problem spending $40k on a Tacoma. Toyota never bothered to stop selling (or until 2015, modernizing) the Taco because it sold as well or better than the Tundra, both of which get spanked by Big 3 half-tons.
There is also pressure to increase fuel economy averages across the board, not just for passenger cars, so smaller trucks make more sense. This is why you see shit like 8 speed transmissions and aluminum bodies. Hell, Ford said they're gonna release a hybrid F-150 by 2020. You couldn't dream of this a decade ago, and as a result of regulatory pressure you will see trucks making an honest 30 mpg combined even in 4WD trims. Hell, the Ram EcoDiesel is knocking on that door right now, as are the GM mid-size duramax twins. Things are looking up.
I pray for the day that Mazda finger fucks a Taco and makes something glorious.
>Chevy/GMC never stopped making small trucks ie: s10 and Colorado/Canyon
They did. The Colorado is close in size to a half ton and does about as well on gas. Compare them to a 1st gen S10.
They are closer to older half tons, not new ones. The new Full size trucks are bigger than they used to be, so the Colorado is still the Small truck option. Also the current Colorado isn't really much bigger than the old one, they are mostly just taller. They are the same width and length.
Is a 3-cylinder cab over engine compact enough for you?
I got into a 2015 Ram reg cab short box that came with
>Blackout appearance package
>Back up cam
>touch screen entertainment package
for 22,000$ brand new off the lot. Interior is comfy, there's actually a fair amount of room behind the seat, you don't even notice you're not driving a fullsize, best riding truck and handles like a dream. My old man always bought chevs now he's trading in for a dodge after driving mine. I get about 22 mpg highway out of it.
In the thumbnail I thought that mobile home was a set of intake stacks and got excited to see them.
That rampage is going to be built in the ram frame. You'll be very disappointed if you're expecting the 82 to 84 look and size. The only true small truck on that possibly is the Jeep truck.
I don't see how Ford can bring over the global Ranger without an end to the chicken tax. Although it may be worthwhile for them to start North American production, given how successful the Colorado has been.
"Small" trucks in North America are still pretty big. Toyota makes the bigger Tacoma just for the North American market, instead of the Hilux they sell everywhere else. The GM compacts are about the same size as the Tacoma.
Colorado sales haven't dented the Silverado.
They were talking about this on Autoline. Apparently compact truck buyers tend to be older than full-size buyers (opposite of what you'd think) since full-size buyers use them as family cars, while compacts are more recreational run-abouts for empty nesters.
I can remember when the Ford Ranger was #1 in the segment, and seemed like it had been and would be forever. Then Ford just dropped it - giving up their top position - since they only ever sold it to earn CAFE points to sell F-150s, and for some reason that was no longer necessary.
Mazda sells trucks in most markets globally. Can't sell it in North America due to 'chicken tax' light truck tariff. TPP won't affect things since they're built in Thailand and Thailand isn't in the TPP. Pretty sure the Ranger is also built in Thailand.
The Ford and Mazda compacts aren't clones of each other BTW. That was just a thing in North America.
The "Ranger" nameplate is confusing as fuck, since Ford has sold so many different trucks as the "Ranger", although now they're all the same globally (developed by Ford Australia).
The current BT-50 and Ranger share their internal structure, although the sheet metal and interiors are different.
>Honda Ridgeline coming back soon
>people actually considering wasting money on a piece of shit Ford or Dodge product when they can own a superior Honda
Gonna be the shit, can't wait.
Just look at this beast.
I remember when the Ridgeline first launched and everyone was rolling in laughter at the idea of a unibody pickup with fully independent suspension.
Now the F-150 has all that, and is made out of aluminum to boot.
Honda was just ahead of its time.
Honda is always ahead of the curve, North Americans are the slow children. Look at the Mustang, finally with IRS, a turbo option, and a V6 that DOESN'T suck total shit.
They just like to bleed stuff out to the bitter end, and when it's absolutely shot and no longer of use, they jump on the bandwagon.
>japs selling turbo cars for decades
>no big deal
>Ford finally starts mass-producing turbo cars
>HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THIS NEW THING CALLED ECOBOOST IT'S LIKE MAGIC WHAT IS THIS HOLY FUGGGGGG OOMMGGGZZZ
>mfw a larger body-on-frame Escalade EXT has both a lower payload and a lower tow rating than the smaller unibody Ridgeline near me
Most useless piece of shit ever.
Was there anything actually wrong with the first generation Ridgeline? What about it, if anything, was less capable than other pickups for the price? (with a similar cab size / bed length)
My dad has a Ridgeline, but I've only been in it a few times. Seemed fine; I recall it being less tall than other pickups to get into.
>Now the F-150 has all that
The F150 does not have IRS and it is not a unibody design.
>Honda was just ahead of its time.
All Ridgeline sales '05-'14 combined don't equal one year of F-series sales in the same time frame. Hell they couldn't even outsell the fucking Chevy Avalanche.
There's nothing unique or cutting edge about lopping the ass off a Pilot and calling it a truck.
>japs selling turbo cars for decades
What mass production turbocharged Jap car was on the US market "for decades"?
Ah right. Fucking none.
He's talking about small Jap trucks like the Hilux coming in and stealing sales from domestics.
It's a stupid argument though domestically produced Jap trucks like the Tacoma are already here
What if all these truck came about because of the rising fuel prices in 2014, and now they're all never gonna sell now just like the last fuel crisis after math? I'd hate to see the rampage fail miserably TWICE.
Is there any word on Mercedes bringing their upcoming pick-up to the US? Last I heard they were considering the new factory in Mexico for one of it's production sites along side Germany and Thailand which I assume means it will be available here because of NAFTA.
Time to post ADM trucks?
2.8L Turbo Diesel, 4Cyl, Toyota Hilux
2.0L Twin Turbo, 4cyl
3.2L Turbo Diesel, 5 Cylinders
It shares the same motor with
265 hp at 5000 (compared to 261hp at 6000rpm for the petrol engine)
409Nm (302lb.ft) at 3250
And here's, the Holden Colorado, it likes to burst into flames, thankyou America
More power and torque than the petrol version. Fuelling costs comparable to a Corolla, probably even cheaper.
It will suck down 15+ litres per 100 kays but LPG costs nearly half as much as petrol. The only downsides is you can only get it with the automatic and not with the turbo engine.
Ultimate ute I reckon would be a cab chassis turbo with LPG. But if you want that you have to put the allow tray on yourself and convert it to LPG yourself (and maybe not get the power and torque advantages that Ford gives with the EcoLPI). Or I suppose you could get an XR6 EcoLPI and turbo it yourself... but then maybe the engine would be as sturdy as the one designed to be turboed...
I just ordered the Chevy version of this back in november, only it cost me 36k
And now I have to wait until February for it to be built because they do not have some parts for it yet (pic is what it will look like)
These are seriously the new Muscle Cars. That's a shit ton of bang for the buck. With a new rear end, maybe 3.93 or 4.10's, that thing will really haul ass. Unbelieveable that those SVT LIghtnings are whooped by today's base trucks.
>80's rabbit got 35mpg highway with petrol, mid 40s with turbo diesel
I wish today's small trucks would get their shit together. The midsize trucks are the best options as far as fuel efficiency and work capacity goes. You get the best breadth of towing and load capacity for your price and fuel efficiency. hell, the 90s ranger used to be king of the fleet because it had it such great fuel efficiency and towing capacity for such a small truck.
The ridgeline is not really a truck. It is unibody, has IRS, and it has a transverse mounted engine/drivetrain, which makes the 2WD variant front wheel drive. It has more in common with a crossover, or a sedan than a truck.
Why would you need a backup cam in a truck? Granted, I drive a ranger and I used to drive an 03 1500 silverado, but I've never felt the need to use a backup camera. Trucks have amazing back windows, and unless you've got a tall load in the bed, a ton of visibility
A ton of states now require backup cameras standard.(IE: California) If it is a standard feature, it can only help, in the rare occasion you need it. Personally, it is a, "why not?" feature.
>small trucks iz meme
>jeep iz meme
Getting real sick of this stupid ass word. When it gets thrown around as much as it does it loses all meaning. This is a meme car, that's a meme car, fuck off.
A new Bronco would be based. I can't understand why Ford ever stopped making it. Ditto the Ranger. It's like they don't want to sell vehicles.
I'm honestly going to chalk it up to them not knowing a way to re-engineer the vehicles from the ground up to work with the new cafe standards for emissions. They didn't have a engine small enough to deal with the new standards, and if they did, they realized that by putting it in, it'd make the machine completely gutless and would ruin the model's branding for future generations.
It's too expensive to design a new vehicle and engine just to hold onto a name. They just dropped them until the time was right for them to be profitable and stable to make again.
Otherwise I couldn't see why Ford would drop the ranger. It made them waaay too much money to just write it off.
As far as full size Broncos are concerned the lesson of the Nineties was pretty clear. Bronco sales desultorily clomped along at about 20k units a year, year after year. Then comes the same size SUV in a four door called Expedition and sales instantly go 150k+ and stay there.
Now the new Bronco is said to be smaller to go against some Jeep that's currently a license to print money. I still suspect the Jeep fighter is going to be a four door with the Bronco name on it at a lower price point than where the Explorer is
Ford has a Ranger based SUV in the Everest in some markets, but the styling is too soft to pass as a Jeep-fighting "Bronco".
If they're going to bring Ranger production back to North America, I think an SUV version should be more in line with the Xterra: back-to-basics off-road-capable body-on-frame SUV for notable-less-than-4Runner money. The Xterra does a really good job of capturing the 2-door look in a 4-door package.
The Xterra is being killed off. Shame.
Weird that Xterra numbers have gone off a cliff, while Wrangler sales continue to soar. I really don't think it's the styling: the Xterra looks great to me.