From the "hurr durr only oil changes!" To the "It'll last another 300,000 miles"... Are Hondas and Toyotas the best made cars for durability? Are they still as good as the late 90s? Are they being made even better?
Are they durable/reliable cars? Yes, absolutely
Do they have a higher than average level of build quality? Yes
Are the 'Best' made cars for durability? Not really, but that depends on how you define best
Are they still as good as the late 90's? Mostly.
The biggest reason these cars get the reputation they do is because they can be abused/neglected/beat on and suffer far less than a lot of other cars. The flip side of that being that they only implement very tried and true technology on most of their cars, hence they are technologically very low risk.
Honda is overrated after the 80s/90s they barely meet average now
Toyota is still undisputed reliability king because they've mastered the art of boring chassis and detuned engines that have been slowly revised for over 20 years
Honda went to the shitter as far as reliability after the turn of the century.
Toyota is still doing okay, by nature of having literally nothing interesting in any of their cars.
Note: these are generalizations and reliability will still always vary model to model
What's really overstated is the unreliability of any brand that's not Honda or Toyota. Try being a BMW owner around people with no actual experience aside from /o/ memes and their dad's car advice, it's annoying as shit.
>The biggest reason these cars get the reputation they do is because they can be abused/neglected/beat on and suffer far less than a lot of other cars.
If "abused/neglected/beat on" means I do my maintenance on schedule and not any more, then I'm fine with that. Otherwise, I don't see how running your car to 5001 miles or going 1000 miles past spark plug change interval is "beating on your car".
To me, beating on your car means redlining it when oil temperature hasn't stabilized, racing it during the break-in period, driving over deep potholes, etc.
>If "abused/neglected/beat on" means I do my maintenance on schedule and not any more, then I'm fine with that. Otherwise, I don't see how running your car to 5001 miles or going 1000 miles past spark plug change interval is "beating on your car".
No, I am talking about running 20K+ miles between oil changes, if the car gets an oil change at all. complete and utter lack of any maintenance, and being driven by a teenage girl or worse on a daily basis
true, but they still run, other cars subjected to the same level of beating would have long since died and been hauled off to the junk yard
>dad buys sienna in 1998 because niggers steal his old 1992 corolla
>develops wheel bearing issue in '03
>driver's side window jumps track and refuses to ever be set back in '05
>radiator goes in '07 after 135,000 miles
>blows two shocks and then passenger side rear shock assembly almost shears
>A/C stops blowing cold after summer of '09
but the transmission and engine themselves ran like champs to the day he said "fuck this" and bought a highlander
I want to fucking fix it but I have no money or wrenching ability
ON-TOPIC: They do run forever but for God's sake, actually fix shit like belts and pulleys. It pains me to see 15 year old Camrys running around with blown shocks and screeching belts. Avoid any automatic Honda from the late 1990s to the release of Tokyo Drift
>Avoid any automatic Honda from the late 1990s to the release of Tokyo Drift
Had to look it up.
which is totally why they're frequently in the top 5 for reliability ratings year after year
They're not less reliable, it's just that everyone is better.
Though there were a few problems with certain models, such as automatic trannies paired to V6 Hondas in the early 2000s and Camrys burning oil like rotaries once they hit the 70k mile mark in the mid to late 2000s
Drove an '89 Camry to 350,000km and it was still well and truly kicking. Hell, I drove the damn thing to the wreckers myself, and that was only because it was costing me over $1000 a year on registration and insurance for a car worth maybe $500. Damn thing was indestructible.
I don't think you can limit it to just the 90s, because early 2000s cars are also pretty bulletproof. I mean, many corrolas and camrys and civics and accords from that era make it past 200k-300k miles regularly. I have a 2005 Celica gt and it has 173,000, and it probably is going to reach 200,000 without incident, and I think it would be safe to say that the car will make it to 250,000 with a little regular maintenance, and nothing more.
/o/ says that CVTs are unreliable, and cost tons of money to replace.
Everyone else says the little jap econoboxes are super reliable and the best value around. I somehow doubt they were talking about only the manual trans models.
My old 94 Tercel had 258k miles before i got rid of it, trans was going out and i couldnt afford to have it repaired AND keep up with the insurance on 2 cars and bills.
My 03 Tacoma is sitting at 200k miles and my 82 Corolla is sitting at 225k miles.
Nothing major done to any of them besides the Tacoma needing a new timing belt and water pump at 130k.
A friend of mine had a Starlet like pic related for a while, except it was a total shitter. Rust everywhere, interior was beat to hell, the works.
He bought it for €500 or something, so they're stupid cheap.
Also maybe look at Swifts/106s/Saxos? Those are pretty fun in their slightly sportier trims, reliable and easy to work on.
90's and early 00's yotas, hondas, and to a lesser extent nissans were basically bomb-proof. Extremely reliable, simple to work on (provided you don't have fat sausage hands), and readily available cheap aftermarket parts.
If it's made after 2008, odds are it's a shit heap that's fallen prey to global economic crunching.
These little shitters can take way more abuse than you'd expect.
Getting a 2015 Fit as a first car, don't expect much but I hope /o/ was wrong and the CVT doesn't fuck me in the ass.
>have 2015 Accent
>drive it for a year no problems
>yesterday someone in a large truck driving on the wrong side of the road smashes into it and takes off
it doesn't look totalled so I hope insurance doesn't total it.
Well if you want AWD, you can go for a Celica alltrac/gt4, mitsubishi evu, gallant vr4, eclipes/talon vr4, 3000gt vr4 or vr6, any subaru. If you want FR layout, you can get a mk3 supra(since they are easy to get compared to the mk4 and are way better than the mk2) You really need to lookout for blown head gaskets on those though, because the heads weren't torqued down that hard from the factory, and it is super easy to fix by just torquing it down more. Most people that torque down the head more generally never blow head gaskets after that. There are just so many good options I can't even list them all...
Also totally forgot to mention the Toyota MR2, probably the most fun FR car you can get for less than $5k now. They are really reliable, AND THEY HAVE POP UP HEADLIGHTS. Also they aren't a miata so they don't just come in convertible, which is a large downside to the miata. If it came with a normal roof as well, I would buy one, because since it doesn't you can't use it for things like rally or cold weather. :D
they aren't that bad otherwise
This is such bullshit. Toyota has more recalls and defects to this day than Honda. Toyota is not only old tech but below average quality. Toyota is literally riding on pure profits from selling cheapo shit for lots of money.
Reliability has averaged out over the last decade among the major auto builders, or at least it's not as bad as it was in the 80s/90s. With that, if you're buying a new Toyota or Honda based solely on your impression of them 20 years ago, well, do I really need to explain that?
I'd say Toyota stagnated and Honda has been sticking to formula.
>"7 speed automatic" transmissions in the last, and current model Corolla are just that. CVTs with 7 preselected ratios.
For what purpose? And to what ends?
woops my mistake, I totally was just talking about just rear drive at that point but forgot to mention it, lol. I really want a 1st gen MR2, and do an engine swap to like a 2zz or something, that would make it so fun, also add power steering...
you realize that snap oversteer is super exaggerated? It is possible, and it is dangerous, but it isn't as hard to deal with, or happen as frequently as people say. If you are a remotely competent driver, you will know how to not make it happen, and deal with it if it does.
There is no damage to control. You can crash MR2's like any other car if you are an idiot, it is just that people have found a very specific way of crashing them to complain about. It doesn't make the car any less fun to drive.
>people are scared to rev their 184K shitbox passed 9k
because most stock engines destroy themselves past 9k. there are a few cars designed to do that from stock, but most cars don't have stiff enough valve springs, which causes valve float, or they don't have enough balance in the rotating assembly to do so.
no, they're CVT, sport mode just makes them sound like regular engines so it's not alien to the driver.
And paddle shifters is amazingly fast for CVTs, I have a new corolla, and the "shift" is nearly instantaneous.
>Father's 03 Accord is at 300K, only non standard maintenance has been a new catalytic converter
>My 05 Accord is at 150K, need to replace the motor for the lock in the rear passenger door.
>No other issues what so ever.
totally forgot about those, but it isn't a normal cvt with a belt or chain, it is done using the speed difference on the planets and ring gear of a planetary gear set. That is why the prius ones last so long, they aren't the belt style design that we are starting to see in non hybrid systems, which have a power limit before the belts start slipping, and are relatively new and "untested" in the sense that they haven't been around to see many road miles just yet.