the all time best track/sports platform for under 100k debate

if you like dick up the ass maybe if you think a Miata is that good you probably do

a Lotus Elise is a better choice

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>>14174909
its not a miata its a s2000

>>14174909
maybe under $20k, but above that you can get Caymans and Lotuses

>>14174928
lol its a s2000 bro

that hard top is hideous

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>gets trampled by packs of FRS/BRZ's with sticky tires

>>14174948
yeah

an upscale Miata

its about the same level of gay

>best platform under 100k
Used F1 car

>>14174955
lol brz/frs arent even close to the s2000 in track ability or straight line speed keep kidding yourself with your 190hp

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Bullshit. Look no further than WTAC racers who much much prefer FD/BNR32/Evo/STi/S2000/Silvia before a miata. All of these cars are like 10-20k. 90-80k is more than enough to make them way faster than a miata with 95k worth of parts.

The miata is and always will be bargain bin sports car, do not pretend it is superior in ANY way to real ones such as those I've listed, even at |speed per dollar" the miata is shit in comparison, it's just that it has the lowest overall price is what gives it a niche.

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>>14174956

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do these people realize this isnt a miata

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>>14174967
>I base my purchases on gayness level

>>14174989
>>14174985
>butthurt s2k fags detected

>>14174993
>insecure manlet who needs a "manly" car to feel adequate detected

>>14174989
the S2K is a faggotmobile that costs more than a real Miata so its even worse

why would I ever want one

>>14175017
because they are pussyslayers and the best driving car under 100k

>>14175015
kek that wasn't even me. You know your upscale miata is gay as fuck or else you wouldn't be so triggered by a simple shitpost. Stay asshurt kid.

>>14175027
its a Honda lol
any decent girl will laugh as she should
+ you look like a homo in it

I wouldnt even put it as the best driving car under 20k

>>14175066
well thats cause your a idiot

idk about Lotus or Porsche but the E46 M3 chassis is great for the track. A supercharged e46 M3 csl ran the Nurburgring WITH TRAFFIC in 7:22 which is insane.

>>14174974
>S2000
>Straight line
>Ahahaha cute

>>14175058
ah yes I'm the asshurt one. what do you drive anyway?

>>14174972
/threAD

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>S2k faggots start a shiposting thread
>get BTFO in their own thread
kek

>>14175099
>>14175099
the brz is a slow piece of garbage the s2000 is loads faster and isnt even fast itself thats not the only thing that makes a great spots car but in straight lines it does kill the brz/frs

>>14175097
>a homogulation car went fast with lots of power
If it has cardboard lining the trunk from the factory it damn well better be fast

>>14175097
those are all great since theyre not upscale Miatas and actually made for performance

>>14175117
I agree but that doesn't mean I dont laugh at your " straight line"
> not a gt86 fag
> implying -~~~

>>14175127
dont agree with op but the saying the s2000 wasnt built for performance is just retarted

>>14175111
>fuck........ he called my car mean names
>I know! Ill just ask him what he drives so I can one up him in our internet argument.
Grow up faggot and go get your ass checked out.

>>14175141
as long as everyone can agree frs/brz are gay as fuck basic bitch mobiles then we should all be happy

>>14175144
its a Honda convertible

its made for gays and girls and thats about it

>>14175097
>A supercharged e46 M3 csl ran the Nurburgring WITH TRAFFIC in 7:22
so it was btg?

>>14175159
yep thats the average mindset of people that dont know anything about cars
>125 horsepower per liter

>>14175126
the csl is just a stripped base m3 with more carbon fibre, uprated engine and tuned suspension. All that can be done in a garage to a stock m3 which you can get for relatively cheap, and make more power than the csl via forced induction.

>>14175172
yep that's the average mindset of people that don't know anything about cars
>thinking hp/liter is relevant outside of a race series limited on displacement

>>14174975
Are you retarded
Holy shit thread of of the year, outs /o/ as not knowing jack shit

>>14175166
nope
look up "Loaded M3 CSL"

>>14175182
the s2000 is based on f1 technology that come with track suspension stock revs to 9000 and make 250 horsepower in a 4 cylinder making 125hp/liter only a complete car retard would say this isnt a performance

>>14174967
Underaged cancer detected

>>14175172
wow

its fucking nothing

hondafags are hilarious with their hp per liter shit

guess you gotta wank about something when you make no power and no torque

>>14175151
I wanted to assess the manliness quotient of anons car

lmao at all these clueless people posting bullshit and misinformation im just sitting here waiting for the v8 is bigger than 4 so its better crowd comes in

>>14175208
what do you drive sir

>>14175219
a miata

>>14175017
you ride the buss or....?

>inb4 cant drive only 11

the s2000 and the miata are both great track cars for people that truly use the cars to the limits only people think that they are gay have no idea about cars or autox/track

>>14175246
>there are similarities in appearance with 2 seater Japanese convertible sports cars

>>14175200
im sure its a great car, but you can make a stock 2g dsm handle better [than stock] and claim nearly all the same. continuing to say 125hp/l, its a meaningless stat on the road. maybe on a closed course where na/2.0 is the rule, then cool. outside of that 250hp is a joke especially in 2016.

>>14174909
>its undebatable
agree. no need to start a thread even. just delete.

What car is that in OP, a S2000 hard top? Never seen a hard top S2000 before. It looks good, kinda like an old 240z. I like it.

>>14175299
Is 250hp supposed to be low

oh god. What is a r32 gtr. Buy for 20k,throw in 80 and you're going to be nuts

>>14175226
at least he's honest about it

>>14175299
125hp/l NA

I'd love to see a 4g63 make that power without a turbo, or a shit ton of mods.

The reason the F20C is GOAT is because its not stroke heavy like the 4g63, and thus can rev out higher.

Not to mention, once your engine is worn out, then you can slap a turbo on it, and make some crazy power. Not built 4g63 power, but at least 350whp.

>>14175359

not too mention ive seen s2000s with 200k miles and perfect compression put down 230 stock on dynos call them what you like they are reliable little beast for what they are

I just want a miata with back seats for less than $5000
Cheap
Light weight
Rwd
All I want
But s chassis is rare as fuck

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hatchback civics

>>14175359
define stroke heavy

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>>14175382
e36

>>14175418
Again, rare
And fucking expensive
Plus
Then I'd have to drive a bmw

>>14175422
>rare
Eurocuck?

>>14175430
American

>>14175422
not as rare as you think check craigslist i always see them i my area forsale pretty sweet cars imo

>>14175430
>implying they're rare in Europe
I got my shitty 325 for ~$600 from a helicopter pilot

>>14175433
Why do you people think I'm talking theory here
When I'm saying rare, I'm saying there are literally none for sale on Craigslist

>>14175422
e36 is not rare dude. 328i is common as dirt. M3s? yeah they're expensive but they're still not rare. You can get a solid 328i for 5k.

>>14175442
No dude.
Plus, then I'd have to drive a bmw

>>14175451
Oh yeah shit because everyone will care about you driving around in a 20+ year old BMW. Better get a civic dude!

>>14175416
A Square engine will have the same stroke and bore.

A stroke heavy engine will have longer stroke than bore

A bore heavy engine will have bigger bore than stroke.

Generally speaking, the longer the conrods, and the more distance they have the travel, increases stress on them. At higher rpms, they have more momentum and more stress, so stroke heavy engines cannot rev as high.

This comes at the cost of efficiency.

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>>14175432
>>14175441
I'm in the Bay Area and these thing are all over the place. It could be just in your area there isn't many m3's.

>>14175460
What the hell are you talking about

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>>14174956

>>14175465
Why the hell are you talking M3
What part of your post looked informative to you
>hey man
>somewhere in your country
>this car is easy to find

>>14175441

just checked my CL there are 6 and the cheapest running one is 1600

>>14174909
>best track platform for under $100k
>not a C5/C6 vette with mawdz

Maybe if you like being last I guess.

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>s2000
roflmao

>>14175359
>I'd love to see a 4g63 make that power without a turbo
that wont happen because no one gives a fuck to do this on the road. youre not getting it. a t28 can do 250hp with ease on a 4g63 and full boost at like 2k rpm if done properly. its neat honda did that but its like working yourself into a corner that doesnt exist.

>>14175480
Good for you
How does this change my area

>>14175475
>I cant find it on craiglist
>it's a rare car guise
Yea bud you're retarded. Just thought I would point that out. Hate to be so blunt, but you took it upon yourself to be a shitter

>>14175498
? I have no idea why such a simple fact is so hard for you to accept and makes you so upset.

>>14174956
>sport/track thread
>posts stanced s2000

>>14175359
>I'd love to see a 4g63 make that power without a turbo, or a shit ton of mods
na power is fucking garbage. who gives a fuck about your pathetic peak horsepower. the 4g63 makes twice as much power at 3000rpm than the f20c pos does at 6000rpm

>bbbut muh peak hp/l
literally shit.

>>14175489
what happens when you turbo the s2k? you know those things can handle 800hp on the stock block its got fully forged internals internals and block

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>>14174909
I agree that is a really nice Z4 M Coupe.

>>14175504
if you turbo the s2000 it will be faster just like if you unturbo the 4g63 ittl be slower your a retard you just need to come to terms with your disability and shut the fuck up

>>14175513
What is your problem
Do you like cars or don't you
How is it possible to get this pissed

>>14175502
where the fuck do you live where there are 0 e36s on craigslist?

>>14175507
the s2000 keeps up with the z4 in straight line speed and kills it on the track and it is 10 years older ohh and the s2000 is a 4 cylinder while the z4 has 6 i think th z4 is pathetic attempt by bmw for what its worth

>>14175520
Not your problem
Why are you so God damn hung up on BMW?

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>>14175520
I would assume hell.
>>14175522
>the s2000 keeps up with the z4 in straight line speed
HAHAHAHA the z4 m roadster has 330hp and a 4.5sec 0-60 try again fag.
>and kills it on the track
nope. s2k too slow.
stay uneducated fag boy.

>>14175505
so like one guy did it on the forums within 10 years? sauce?

ive beat the snot out of my car at 37psi though a stock 4g63 without issue for almost 2 years. other car is now at 52psi with e85 rods/pistons/stock everything else, living over 30psi for 3+ years without a hiccup.

>>14175530
This is why I don't want to drive a bmw

>>14175513
>if you turbo the s2000!
if you crank up the boost on the 4g63 :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHyu1h6xs9Y

>>14175526
I'm not the guy you were arguing with. I don't really know why you're refusing the 328i when it's basically a 4 seat miata.

>>14175226
By no means manly, but still fun as hell

>>14175530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gni-Zcc7hk8

>>14175547
Because it's literally not for sale here and BMW makes ugly cars with too much unnecessary bullshit in them

>>14175548
shouldnt you be on /b/ posting traps

>>14175540
enjoy being slow and poor
>>14175551
>a fucking cuck Z4 2.3L
I said M roadster you know the 330hp one not the hairdressers BMW brand miata

>>14175548
How is it not manly
Tbh I never got the gay hairdresser meme

>>14175153
That is heresy my friend.

>>14175554
Then kill yourself.

>>14175551
impressive z4s are slow

>>14175574
but it won faggot

>>14175578
are you blind

>>14175578
no it didnt the s2000 won lol

>>14175588
>the slowest Z4 you can buy
>competing against the fastest honda they make

I said M roadster faggot not some cuck Z4 shitbox.

>>14175601
ehh the z4m is just a tune throw a tune on the honda and ittl kill the z4m too its also 10 years older technology bmw is really slipping

>>14175489
>>14175504
It's not about power, It's about feels. For a 4 cylinder, the f20c, has a pretty flat torque curve.

Horsepower is a vector torque. The car was meant to feel good, and your power being put down on the ground, linear to the ratio of throttle you're giving the car.

That is why they made it NA. For feels. The "corner" they backed themselves into was for feels.

Arguing a turbo car vs a NA car with a numbers game is stupid. The turbo will win everytime, with higher efficiency. If you want to argue Turbo f20c vs 4g63T go for it.

Bottom line is the F20c will win. It has VVL, for better efficiency through the RPM range, plus a turbo?

Not to mention when you get into the reliability factor of Mitsubishi VS Honda....

A 4g63t won't last nearly as long as a f20c, or an f22c. Turbo cars don't last as long. Period.

If you were to turbo the F-series, the 4G63 would be more reliable.

>>14175535
http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/loft-evom-car-talk-corner/396535-f20c-can-take-700whp-completely-stock-motor-2.html

Wasn't that guy... but 700hp.

And if you're running 52psi.... I'm just wondering how far off your efficiency tiers you are

>>14175200
"Based on f1 technology"
>not a 3.0L V10
>doesn't tach so 19000
>has fenders
Sorry anon, they were just proud of their coilovers

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>>14175581
Watch it again faggot the z4 won he pulled him

>all this autism
>no talk of fwd
>BMW ruining the thread
>everyone is being insanely hostile for no reason

>>14175609
>The car was meant to feel good, and your power being put down on the ground, linear to the ratio of throttle you're giving the car
then why honda got ditch the f20c because customers complained about how gutless it was?

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>>14175608
Yeah good luck getting your S2K to 330hp, you know a stock M roadster senpai. With the 3.2L S54.

>>14175609
>It's not about power, It's about feels.
i just provided you an example of a situation that could make more power at super low rpm.

>A 4g63t won't last nearly as long as a f20c, or an f22c. Turbo cars don't last as long. Period.
the words of a person that has never owned any of the said engines, especially highly modified tuned/designed/calibrated/etc himself.

>I'm just wondering how far off your efficiency tiers you are
idk what that means but the turbo is maxed.

>http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/loft-evom-car-talk-corner/396535-f20c-can-take-700whp-completely-stock-motor-2.html

kinda proves my point.

>>14175624
you just have to rev it higher to get to the guts people didnt like it because it takes skill to stay in the vtec range where the power is so the made a weaker motor with more bottom end torque to apeas the masses

>>14175616
Oh come the fuck on that is a Z4 coupe look alike hard top in the OP. How the fuck none of you retards noticed yet shouldn't have surprised me. Fuck you faggot

>>14175643
It's literally just a fast back , miata has one too
It's for aero and style

bmw is garbage

>end thread

>>14175652
Whoever designed BMW after e30 should be fired
Ugly things, and I hate their interiors

>>14175650
No the way the hatch meets the trunk at that sharp angle is Z4. You have to be blind. Have you even seen a Z4 coupe IRL?

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>>14175658
>Ugly things, and I hate their interiors
What? Their high quality components and insistence on using leather?

I mean i understand dislike for the marque but i have never heard a fool utter such words.

>>14174974
190 hp ?
don't be so generous now

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Misu Evo VII-IX or E46 M3. I dislike both but if you want a track car just to sneer at slower people they're the way to go.

>under 100k
what, pesos? Might as well just get the most recent 911 turbo you can afford and call it a day. Unless that's a FnF joke in which case a sensible chuckle to you, sir.

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>>14175643
did miata steal the z4 style too

>>14175679
>why do aftermarket hardtops look like an OEM BMW that came out in 2006?
Are you retarded?

>>14175659
You're autistic
It's literally just an easy way to convert a convertible to a fastback

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>>14175687
this mustang copied it off off the 2006 obviously right?

>>14175695
No it literally was a revolutionary style and unique design that came out on a BMW in 2006 with these aftermarket hardtops for other cars coming later and emulating the shape. Are you fucking 14 or just a moron?

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>>14175624
>250hp
>Gutless

Would you spend $35,000 on a car you thought was gutless? Or buy a car without test driving it?

More than likely it was....."Using this car as a DD and cruising around at 4k rpm is annoying"

>Buying a Convertible for comfort
>Buying a high RPM engine as a DD

>>14175637
More power at lower RPM isn't necessarily better. Your head is stuck in the numbers. It's about Pedal to power ratio. It's about revving up and down. It's about shifting gears.

>A 4g63t won't last nearly as long as a f20c, or an f22c. Turbo cars don't last as long. Period.
>the words of a person that has never owned any of the said engines, especially highly modified tuned/designed/calibrated/etc himself.

Says the person that doesn't understand how creating artificial compression in an engine, with an external part that's prone to shaft play, and wear.

>I'm just wondering how far off your efficiency tiers you are
>idk what that means but the turbo is maxed.
Now bare with me.... I'm going to attack you instead of the argument.

This IS proof you don't know what the hell you're talking about. More boost isn't better. See the steppes on this picture. When you exceed the pressure ratio of the turbo, you are essentially turning up boost for no reason, and causing a higher chance of detonation.

Turbos are a direct relation of how much power you want to make. You don't just turn up the boost when you want more. You design the turbo for what you're looking for.

>kinda proves my point.

What point?

That a N/A motor can exceed 3x the limit of what it was originally made to perform at with a higher compression ratio than a 4g63?

>>14175700
>40 fucking years ago
>car they actually copied

I never said it was the first time that shape was used. Doesn't mean they didn't copy the BMW you faggot. How young are you? Have you even seen a Z4 coupe?

>>14175701
How in the world are you this delusional
Even then, the JDM MX5 coupe did it earlier
And there are more examples dating back to the 60s

>>14175708
>JDM MX5
inspiration, yes.

but those firm lines and sharp angle of the hatch and trunk and the trademark rounded duckbill are the Z4 coupe released a year before those aftermarket mfg's came out with their shit.

the end. they copied the bimmer. bmw may have copied or drawn inspirations from other but no one but a moron would look at that hardtop and say not "BMW style"

>>14175717
ford style

>>14174909
>Up to a 100k
>Posts an S2k

Come on man, are you trying? Now if you count reliability and affordability as one of the criteria, sure, I can see your argument there.

>>14174941
This. However I'm sure that being a more affordable and mass market option, the S2k has a pretty big catering towards in the aftermarket. Corvette like one poster said counts too, or perhaps one of these niche small volume British track toys if you really mean best track platform, and less sport oriented road car.

>>14175717
Or maybe it is made on the cheap and straight lines were easier to design and cut into shape in order for this ghetto thing to function
You honestly think people looked at your coupe version of a second rate mid 2000s roadster and thought "yes this must be the perfect design for our hard top on this 90s car"

ive owned both a z4 and a s2000 and all the z4 was better at was racking up repair bills while the s2000 has been one of the most reliable cars ive ever owned

>>14175735
>You honestly think people looked at your coupe version of a second rate mid 2000s roadster and thought "yes this must be the perfect design for our hard top on this 90s car"
Yes because they came out after BMW released their Z4 coupe you nigger.
>Or maybe it is made on the cheap and straight lines were easier to design and cut into shape in order for this ghetto thing to function
Sharp angle and the M duckbill are a design feature, unique, and non-functional.

You sir are a moron and no older than 20. Or just like super poor and never has seen a Z coupe.

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>>14175737
Fuck you too nig nog the point was M roadster/coupe not fucking hairdresser Z4. How in the fuck can you honda owning autists not know the difference?

>>14175746
You actually think anyone gave a shit about the z4
This is actually the only time I've ever heard of it
Hold on, I'll go call my friends and see if they've ever seen or heard of one before

>>14174928

How are you so shit at cars that you don't even recognize the S2000 front end?

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>>14175750
heres your z4m coupe faggot
>z4m is just as shitty as the regular shitty z4 bmw is shitty it doesnt matter the car

>>14175746
>being this autistic over such a mediocre obscure car

>>14175759
>typical honda owner
>>14175768
thats a Z4 2.cuck liter painted pink.
>baitfish.jpg
>>14175776
>being a child

fuck you fisherman you win. i'm goona go enjoy my car that isn't a slow ass honda

>>14175778
Dis nigga mad

>>14175778
You're so upset over buying a shifty car

>>14175796
no seriously, next time honda makes a car worth owning let me know. i'll hold my breath until then.

>>14175183
Retarded for thinking the car in the OP was a miata or thinking that that all of those cars are better than a miata? You're retarded if you think the latter is untrue.

>>14175799
I'm not the Honda fag you are arguing with, I just wanted to point out how autistic you are

>>14175778
>Implying your BMW could beat the SPOON civic around Tsukuba

>>14175797
>>14175796
Seriously i'm suffocating please tell me one Honda that doesn't blow so I don't die. I have more money than you have brains and just...need...air
>>14175809
has there ever been a decent honda for the average man? no.

>>14175804
Cmon man.
Cmon

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>>14175811
>Only a gutted race car on a cuck track can compare to a street legal BMW

>>14175812
I think it's sad you have so much money and bought a fuckin z4 lol

>>14175817
Lmao now you've gone full retard

>>14175812
Dude I literally just told you I'm not the Honda guy. Why the fuck would I give a shit about honda.

Jesus fuck man take your meds

>>14175813
>muh weight

i swear to god you miata fags are the same queers who ride 250 ninjas.
>>14175819
I didn't. I bought an M roadster and it is best in class.
>>14175822
>Tskuba anything
sigh. remind me again how your discontinued slow ass s2k matters?

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>>14175817
>Praising a car that has more electrical issues than a foreclosed house that methheads stripped for copper

>>14175812
if you have lots of money why not didnt you buy a god tier s2000 and settled for a low/bottom-tier z4m shitbox

>>14175826
When did I ever imply miata was the greatest

>>14175832
What retard would ever want an s2K over a z4m...

>>14175825
>omg why can't people tell me from other shitposters when there are no tags

die. especially you. i can deal with the honda fags but you. just die.
>>14175831
>memes
sure buddy. keep telling yourself the reason you own shit is "electrical problems" an anon told you about on some queer forum.
>>14175832
Z4M is faster and better handling. S2k is slow. If it had 300hp I'd buy it. Fag car.

>>14175840
Z4m is for secretaries
-German

>>14175840
You quoted the exact post where I said I wasn't the Honda fag and ranted about fucking Hondas

Jesus christ you manchild calm the fuck down

>>14175838
>>14175840

i would take the s2000 all day for racing/track ive driven both on street and the track but the s2000 is the better poerformance car the z4 isnt as performance oriented its a slow luxury roadster whereas the s2000 is a barebones trackstar

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>>14175853
omg i have no fucking idea which faggot you are newfriend ;)
>>14175847
sure honey. that is why your s2k is slower.
>>14175858
>choosing the slower car for track use
literal horseshit.

hondafags pls.

>>14175858
>Z4m
>Z4
pick one and only one you idiot. your s2k is shit just like the base Z4.

>>14175862
>>14175874
>>14175862
im not a honda fag i currently own the z4m as i am not going to the track as much anymore and dont need the performance the z4m is comfy looks nice but it couldnt even come close to the s2000 and time and time again the trackslips proove it

>>14175858
>Barebones trackstar
>has radio
>has cruise control

>>14175862
Hey look you made the news. Congrats bud

>>14175878
Lol. No way your shit S2k is as fast as a Z4M with a sub 5 sec 0-60 post your slips to prove you're a shitty driver faggot.
>>14175882
At least in my obit it won't say "delusional honda fan"

>>14175884
im sorry you dont believe me hold on ill go try to dig them up but if i remember correctley my s2k weighed 2750 pounds and my z4m weighs roughly 3350 that could have something to do with it but id say you cant throw the z4 as hard into the turns as the s2000 the grip just isnt there i feel like that has to do with weight and hondas wider stance on the s2k

>>14175858
You've never driven either on a track, and the z4m is a completely different monster to any z4 you have ever seen.
>>14175878
Literal samefag that has never been in either car. The s2K is absolutely destroyed by the z4m, probably because it cost twice as much.

And neither car is bare bones, you're an idiot.

>>14175905
Z4"M"
no one cares about your base model faggot Z4 are you dumb? The M is a different car.

>>14175905
Sounds like it's time for a note and some bread on hood.

not a same fag >>14175858
>>14175878
>>14175905
all me
>>14175915
and it is a z4m

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op is back lol

>>14175704
>peak horsepoewr determines whether an engine is gutless or not
under 150hp until 6k rpm, its fucking gutless

>>14175858
>s2000 is a barebones trackstar
roflmao

>>14175929
Well you're a weirdo who likes slow cars who aren't nearly as refined or raw. Congrats. I bet your next "sports car" will be an ST3 Focus ST. Fucking causal

https://youtu.be/PPjpkUW11_g

>>14175951
never said the z4 is slow in a straight line it might very well kill the s2k but around the track it cant compete and nope i love my 2 seaters for my next car thinkin maybee porshe

>>14175929
Timestamp the car or go away.

>>14175963
If you seriously think a slow fucking s2k can keep up with a 330+hp M roadster you are either the shittiest driver on earth or a morn. Not even on Tsukuba circuit could such faggotry occur

I want an S2K with an LS motor

>>14175963
bix nood

take what you want from it the 600 pounds that the z4m weighs more than the s2000 definatley takes its toll around the corners

just did the math heres the figures their pretty damn close but the s2000 feels better around the corners and i always got better track times when i had it
s2000 11p per hp
z4m 10.5p per hp

>>14175079
>your
No way...

>>14175963
The z4m is designed with track use in mind, it has absolutely enormous brakes, a tremendous amount of power with excellent balance, and a beautiful power band. You do not own this car, and have no clue what you are talking about.
>>14175972
Even a terrible driver would have a significantly easier time on a circuit in the z4m, it has a huge power band and amazing stopping force.

>>14176005

>>14175960

>>14175960
in this video the s2000 has better times...

>>14176024
>what are drivers
how do people like you remember to breathe?

>>14176017
You linked a terrible video with the z4 driver being so bad he completely lost it at the first turn...cool?

>>14176024
in this video it shows unknown amateur drivers of two completely different skill levels, and no information given about modifications or whatever

>ass mad hondafaggot so btfo he has to cherry pick the most pathetic shit he can find
roflmao

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>>14176005
>Even a terrible driver would have a significantly easier time on a circuit in the z4m

uhh what..?

>>14175960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPjpkUW11_g

the s2000 is 5 seconds better per lap around the track

>>14176035
>>14176033
>>14176039
(samefag???)

lol i actually couldnt find a video of a z4m beating a s2000 either from a roll,a dig or around a track anywhere on the internet and from what ive read the s2000 is a better track car when both cars are in capable hands

>>14176053
>>>14176033 (You)
or the s2k is not even in a comparable performance class and only a food would assume otherwise?

>>14176080
Most major auto magazines did compare them, not quantitativly. Since the s2000 was the benchmark at the time

>On the racetrack in Jerez, Spain, the M roadster showed itself to be a willing partner. There's more understeer in the chassis than in, say, a Honda S2000, but the M-tuned Z4 is at home on the track.

http://m.caranddriver.com/reviews/2006-bmw-z4-m-roadster-first-drive-review

>>14176080
Like what, a banana? Pork chop?

>>14175246

Other than the amount of wheels and the fact they are both soft tops there is nothing similar between these cars in style.

Nothing

>>14174928
>Being this much of a faggot
learn 2 car bb

>>14175942
>under 150hp until 6k rpm, its fucking gutless

So F1 engines are gutless?

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>no caterhams

I am dissapoint

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>>14176175
pic related

>>14176928
Also this.

Z4M is £5k more expensive than s2k. Throw in 5k worth of mods into s2k and it'll BTFO any bmcuck

May I remind you all that speed is about how a car is put together, not it's make or model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsI4K_0NT_s

>>14175608
>the z4m is just a tune
lmao so you think the S54 is just a tuned M54 engine? ... jesus christ dude

>>14175831
The E36 literally has almost no electrical problems. I`ve owned 3.

>>14175319
my bus makes at least 300 hp

>>14174955
Is anyone else here having trouble getting a toyobaru to race you?

So far it's nothing that pussys that but these cars

>>14175422
Its the most common and cheap to buy and maintain bmw there is. Do you live on the fucking moon?

>>14175522
Everything about this post is wrong.

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>>14175609
The damage control is real.

>>14174928
>Miata

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>>14176928
Seconding, this is essentially the best you can get. Maybe a Factory Five GTM or 818R.

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>>14174909
>spending $100k on a sports car
Why would you do this when race cars go so much faster for a fraction of the price? Wouldn't you rather race wheel-to-wheel instead of just driving around the track on your own?

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It's faster than any other car.

>>14174909
Your are right it's undebatablaly the Exige.

>ITT
>Miata VS S2k VS M3/Z4m
Special olympics, etc.

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>>14175609

>>14178309
epic im gunna post that on /r/4chan XD