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>Toyota GT86
>Scion FRS
>Subaru BRZ

I don't get it, its almost the exact same car. I don't know much about manufactures but what brought this on? Are there other examples of this?

It just doesn't make sense, three manufactures, one almost identical car.
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>>14166441
Eclipse/talon
Station/conquest
3000gt/stealth
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BRZ has a less aggressive look and more luxurious interior.
FRS is more basic, aggressive, and has a more track-adjusted suspension.
GT86 is for Asian markets.
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Chevy City Express/Nissan NV200

Its the same van, nothing different. They just popped different badges on the front and on the steering wheel.
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>>14166940

Cool but how does something like this happen? I've seen it happen before with the rav4 and vitara but with three brands? It just seems so nonsensical why go through with it?
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>>14166998

It's not hard bro.. Toyota sells it as a scion for American youth, rest of world youth doesn't have scion so Toyota sells under itself.

Subaru actually made them all but in allot less numbers as what Toyo wanted. I feel subie didn't want to do it anyway but it still happened.

I actually hate the 86 front and head lights.
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Well to start off with, Scion is simply a branch of Toyota, so the GT86 is really only two companies collaborating on a single vehicle, which is not unheard of at all. In this case Subaru designed the engine while Toyota designed the chassis, I believe. Not sure about anything more specific than that.

But for other examples you can look at DSM, which was a partnership between Chrysler and Mitsubishi and resulted in several sister cars such as the Mitsubishi Eclipse/Eagle Talon and Mitsubishi 3000GT/Dodge Stealth. Additionally, Ford has often worked with Mazda, resulting in very similar cars like the Mazda 323/Ford Escort.
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>>14166998
There are different reason. Sharing the R&D costs makes cars more profitable for the manufacturers. Also, some brands might sell better in areas than other brands do. Or maybe one manufacturer doesnt have plans to R&D a vehicle to answer other new vehicles so they might make a deal to just purchase and rebadge another companies vehicle just to get a market share.

The frs/brz for example. The scion brand is more youth oriented, suburu probably wouldnt sell very well outside of europe and north america and as for the toyota version, they probably didnt want to fuck with their image oversees or maybe since everyone thinks toyota is super reliable they wouldnt buy any of the either two.
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Plus subaru did it with Saab for the saabaru

Saab exterior front with Impreza interior and rear'ish. It was like the fiat and Miata roadster. Fiat outside Mazda inside.
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>>14166923

Almost the same car maybe, but they have different setups which becomes apparent if you've driven both.

The GT-86 and FR-S ride more smoothly with higher dampening and lower spring rates. They're driftier. The BRZ has less dampening and higher spring rates, rides much more rugged and capable over rough terrain as a Subaru normally does.
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>>14167086

Say Toyota in the us first thing people think is old Toyo pick up truck. Or boring. Where scion came from, which has totally gone downhill lately.
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>>14166923
and

>three manufactures

all 86's are built at the same plant.
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>>14167050
>I actually hate the 86 front and head lights.
And God hates you.

OP it was just a business deal. Sports cars don't sell as well as they did in the 90s and early 00s so they wanted to hedge their bets a bit. Toyota got the way better end of the deal. Scion literally IS Toyota.
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in what way is this hard to understand
>two car companies develop a car together
>they both sell it
lots of cars between different manufacturers have the same chassis
>>14167077
toyota also did the fuel injection system for the toyobaru
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This is one that really pisses me off
>CRV/RAV4
you couldn't of even changed the bike rack? Fuck its the same exact thing
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>>14167077
>>14167086
>>14167094

Thats EXACTLY what I was looking for, makes much more sense now.

thanks guys this board is awesome
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>>14167116

>God hates you

Sucks school starts tomorrow doesn't it
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>>14166923
Somehow they came up with the same car at the same time, it's really awkward actually.
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>>14166940
BRZ has a less aggressive look and more luxurious interior.
FRS is for Americaland markets.
GT86 is more basic, aggressive, and has a more track-adjusted suspension.

fixed
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>>14166923

It's a marketing thing.

Slap a GMC badge on a silverado and you now have a "classy" truck that appeals to yuppies that wants the utility of a truck without looking like an inbred chevy driving redneck.

Scared your new sports car won't sell well in the states? Call it a Datsun 240z and save the Nissan brand some face.

When it comes to the FRS/BRZ/GT86 just look at who makes it. Subaru can pull it off in the U.S. because the WRX gives them a reputation for sporty cars. Toyota on the other hand has nothing sporting in their line up. They're more known for reliable econoboxes in the U.S. which would make people see the GT86 as more of a shitty economy car than a sporty coupe. That's why they sell it under the Scion banner which is newer and has less of a stereotype with it.

>pic unrelated
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They're all shit cars OP.
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>>14166923
Thinking about tradimg in my g6 gxp for a brz.

Can stand the frs because i think scion is a stupid concept for toyota and i dont wanna be one of those fags who toyota badges them...
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>>14166998
Scion is Toyota in disguise
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>>14167911
This, it hurts me to get an FRS because it feels like such a toyota car but having to rebadge it as such. Also makes me ask myself why would I even get my FRS serviced by them when it's a boxer engine
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Oh, child. You don't know pain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_car_plan
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>>14166923
Exact same? Not as much as the toyoburu triplets.


But i have some rebadges off the top of my head.

One
> solstice, sky, and some vauxhaul that is litterally just a sky
Two
> 9-3, g6, malibu
Three
> Silverado, sierra
Four
> the great sickening that was the blazer, bravado, jimmy.
Five
> envoy, 9-5, trailblazer.
Thats all i can remember right now. Typed it while taking a dump.

Gonna finish my gin and go to bed
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>>14167925
This.

I wouldnt let a toyota tech near that shit.

I barely trust them with a toyota engine
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Also don't forget the Monaro.
Sold as a Holden, a Pontiac and a Vauxhall
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>>14167965
Rip g8
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>>14167925
You buy the FRS because it looks better
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>>14168006
Its the fucking skysolstice arguement.
Ones ass looms better than the others face
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I like the GT86 platform, but I just wish they made it look more like a "sporty" notchback trim of an econobox rather than a dedicated sports car. It's supposed to be a tribute to the AE86.
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>>14168011
Except literally no one actually prefers the solstice to the sky
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>>14167369
Do you always spew bullshit?
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>>14168031
>>14168031
Fuck you faggot. You probably dont even have a 2.0l pussyslayer in you car. Real men like the curves of the solstice. The solstice gxp is a cruising example of hardcore automotive sex. I would give a left fucking testicle for a solstice gxp. Id give the right for the coupe version. PURE UNCUT DICK OF AUTOMOTIVE PROFANIFY
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BRZ HAPPY
FRS MAD
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>>14168087
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>>14168087
p.much
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>>14168155

Honestly both did bad as far as front design.

My brz is black so the face isn't as noticeable but any other color looks eh.

Frs front looks better in person but if they would have out brz headlights on frs I think it would have helped.
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The GT86 and the FRS are the same exact car. The BRZ has a few different bumpers and interior bits. And the brand difference is because it is a Subaru engine, and Toyota everything else. The FRS is for America and Canada, while the GT86 is for Europe and Austraila.
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Subaru builds the AS1(triplets) in Gunma, derived from a modified Impreza chassis. There's STI hardware in there.
Toyota designed the body, supplies the 6AT (derived from the ISF autobox), and shared their D4-S direct injection.
Aisin supplies the 6MT
It's a Subaru regardless of how one paints it.
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I'm actually in the middle of deciding which way to go right now. I test drove both, and the BRZ definitely feels slightly better on bumpy ass roads and is quieter, what with a padded trunk. It also just feels a little more mature.

The only question I have is how do headlights compare? BRZ uses halogen I think while FRS uses something else? It's odd but I do a decent bit of night commuting so it's a plus to know I got the better lights as well.
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>>14167934
>solstice, sky, and some vauxhaul that is litterally just a sky

Don't forget the Opel version.
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>>14168313
>derived from a modified Impreza chassis
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>>14167077
Ford owned the controlling stock on Mazda up until the mid-2000's, which is the reason why Mazda pickups are just rebranded Rangers.
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>>14168244
Gt86 headlights > brz headlights
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Does myths alcantera in the BRZ make your ass sweat more than plaincloth in the FRS?
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>>14168399
The Solstice and Sky looked very different.
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>>14168474
I have alcantara seats in my frs and they are really well made. I've driven 8 hours and they held up great
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How much weight can you shed off a BRZ/FRS for under 2k while still keeping it relatively DD'able.
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>>14168474
Not at all.
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>>14168460
Enjoy your penis headlights, faggot
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>>14168511
Backseats, trunk liner, floorliner, door molding, roof lining, engine cover......
Basically anything that isnt welded in....in such a case....git a grinder
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>>14168528
Nice try Genesis driver
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>>14168528
NEEDLE DICK
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>>14168541
Anyone else thing the profile of the windows of the genesis look like something out of bad dragon?
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>>14168549
Twins suffer from that too
Coupe +sleek lines+aero+strict safety standards = dick window
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>>14168593
They dont whalechode nearly as bad....but damn son. That be some orca shit
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>>14168528
ur face is a penis
rekt
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>>14168511
Get lightweight 16" wheels, remove the spare tire, and get a lightweight battery.

You would be getting close to 26XX lbs
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>>14167369
The BRZ has the stiffer suspension.

http://www.evo.co.uk/subaru/brz

>It’s a stiffer car than the GT86, with more immediate front-end response, less body roll and also a little less oversteer dialled into its balance
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>>14167911
Drove both before I settled on the BRZ, just feels like a nicer car to be in and drive, and I hated the red/black thing going on with the GT86, it looks so fucking cheap.
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>>14166923
sometimes car company's will have a throwaway badge that they can try new ideas with while not directly affecting their normal reputation
for fiat see autobianchi
for vw see seat or skoda
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>>14166940
>FRS is more basic, aggressive, and has a more track-adjusted suspension.
However this one should be denounced as the GT86 for the north american market

>GT86 is for Asian markets.
>tfw europe = asia

It's not even called GT86 in Asia it's just the Toyota 86 in Asia.
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>>14170110
autobianchi has long been dead.

as for op and his question, something similar happens with the euro vans (ducato, jumper, boxer) and euro superminis. c1, yaris and 107. mostly bodywork changes with almost no mechanical differences. usually even built in the same factory.
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>>14170124
amerifats logic kek
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>>14170124
The higher end model is called the GT86.

The 86 is the base model, pretty much like the FRS except with 16" wheels
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>>14166923
Toyota wanted to revive the 86 but their engineering department doesn't know shit but ecoboxes anymore so they brought subaru into the boat. Contracts were signed and the joint venture started. Both companies are allowed to sell the car and do so but with slightly different optic. The FRS is just a poorspec GT86 so american teenagers can afford one.
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>>14170159
Wrong. The 86 and GT86 are the exact same. They call it the 86 in Asia because muh tofu heritage and the GT86 in Europe because tofu heritage is unknown in Europe and just calling it the 86 wouldn't be enough to indicate that it's a sports car.
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>>14170159
no
no
no
in Asia and Oceania the car is called the 86 and it comes in two trim levels, GT and GTS
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>>14170159
>>14170169
uwat
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>>14170169
No there's G, GT, RC and a few more. The car itself is called the 86 though
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>>14170169
>>14170169
Ok fine, it's not a gt86. It's a 86 gt. My mistake
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>>14170272
where do you find this informations?
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>>14170301
no idea to be honest
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>>14170301
Wikipedia
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>>14170307
>>14170328
sadly rc is only jap market
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Is a BRZ practical as an only car?
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>>14170496
That's essentially its purpose.
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>>14170496
Mine is an only car. Yet to find it impractical.
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>>14170496
That's the point of the car, yeah. You can fit 3 months of groceries in the back if you fold the seats down.
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>>14167129
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>>14170496
DD'ed mine for almost a month now. It doesn't fit everything to go to the range, but it's been good besides that.
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>>14168511
Not as much as you'd think. Rip shit out for free, save up some cash, then grab a Carbon Fiber drive shaft, best bang for the buck.
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>>14168541
>>14168549
No, normal people don't see penises everywhere.
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>>14166998
scion and subaru are owned by toyota. its all the same company
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>>14170763
Subaru is owned by Fuji Heavy Industries, which Toyota has 16% ownership of.
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Want an FRS so badly. One is going for 17K used. And I could afford it easily but can't afford those insurance payments. Any way around or am I fucked
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>>14170747
>spend 20k on a car
>rip out whole interior
>save 15lbs
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>>14171001
Are you 19 or something?
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>>14170763
>subaru is owned by Toyota
>doesn't even know the most basic of information
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>>14171012
It's almost like I pointed out the same thing.
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>>14171063
Aside from the spare, there is nothing worth ripping out.

And a carbon fiber drive shaft is hardly the best bang for the buck with this car. Lightweight wheels and good tires are a much better investment
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>>14171075
Back seats, carpeting, sound dampening, audio system. Yes, wheels could help with handling but a carbon drive shaft is still better bang when talking about power output.
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>>14171132
Yeah... You are retarded if you spend that much on a car and ruin it by ripping everything out.

Save that shit for your eg civic

Do you even have an 86?
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What's the best color BRZ? I like the orang FRS but can't get into the blue BRZ.
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>>14171187
White and blue are the most popular.

They don't make the dark blue anymore. The new light silver ones are really nice
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>>14171132
>carbon driveshaft
>power output
one of these things is not like the other
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>>14171149
Oh, you're one of those guys who doesn't actually work on his car and just safely DDs and nothing more because cars are just fashion accessories and appliances to you. Yup, just keep it as close to stock as possible, don't go above the speed limit, cars aren't for fun, just looking at.
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>>14171232
>be retarded
>buy a nice car that's already fun to drive and proceed to gut it to lose 50 lbs for a 0.1 second advantage so i can get to the grocery store a little faster
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>>14171265
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>>14171132
>carbonfber driveshaft
>best power output

Wat. tires by far are better.
CF driveshafts are only really useful for drag racing and they still do nothing for power output, they just help with putting power down due to their flex (And they are alot stronger for high-hp applications)


Though going back up the comments anon was on about weight not power. id disagree though, lexan windows would shave ALOT of weight, so would a one-piece CF front end.

A one piece CF/Fiberglass front end would probably also give you a shitload better weight distribution to boot.

A CF/Fiberglass rear hatch with lexan window would also save alot of money. Alot of guys with coupes do that pretty early on.
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>>14170110
Well that plan backfired for VW, since Skoda and Seat seem to have a much, MUCH better reputation than VW does
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>premium gas
>30¢ more per gallon, sometimes 60¢ depending on location
>paying that extra luxury tax, plus still being relatively slow
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>>14168364

Nope, the BRZ's use HID's, the same lenses as Lexus. FR-S base models use shitty halogens, unless you get one of the special editions, release series or TRD, and what not.
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>>14171075

The stock radio weighs like 5lbs. Swapped mine out for a Sony unit (the stock one stopped working) and it only weighs 1lb. Seems like the first thing I'd do if I were doing weight reduction mods.
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>>14171232
Because removing seats and carpeting takes so much mechanical knowledge, right?

Lets see a picture of this track-prepped car of yours.
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>>14166923
FRS has more oversteer and looser suspension
BRZ is for faggot supreme gentlemen
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>>14171132
>sound dampening

There basically isn't any unless you're counting the carpet.
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>>14174167
what does that even mean
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>>14166923
Toyota owns a controlling share in Subaru. Since Toyota is scared of any sort of sportyness now, but they wanted a cheap sports car to appeal to the youth again, they payed off Subaru to make a sports car for them, the agreement being it would be jointly badged. So Toyota paid for most of the development costs, but Subaru did the heavy lifting, which is why it uses a Subaru Boxer engine and a modified Impreza chassis, it's a bit like the Miata and the Fiat 200, though a bit more direct. This likely foreshadows the death of the affordable sports car; Since this took two fucking manufacturers to make, if they don't sell like hotcakes, it won't be worth it for manufacturers to develop cheap coupes in the future, which is why Nissan copped out of the IDx and may cancel the Z line in the future.
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>>14174616
they produced a turd because of poor design and planning decisions. if it's the death of the affordable sportscar, it was avoidable.
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>>14174616
I really, really hope the SF-R isn't sold as a Scion here, unless Scion actually manages to make it less ugly with a different bumper cover.
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>>14174616
>>14174628
Death of the affordable RWD sportscar you mean
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>>14167911
2016 Camaro 4-cyl turbo will be better than the FR-S in every meaningful way
>more horsepower
>more torque
>turbo
>limited slip diff

people only buy the fr-s for RWD feels on the cheap.
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>>14174698
The new Camaro is ugly compared to the FR-S though.
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>>14174698
>people only buy the fr-s for RWD feels on the cheap.

Yeah. That's the point.
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>>14174721
does this mean the /o/ FRS/BRZ circle jerk has come full circle?

Is the cycle complete?
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>>14174737

Owners never denied it was slow and cheap. All we said was it looks nice is cheap and pretty fun to drive.

It's the troll children that car baited arguments.
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>>14174616
>a modified Impreza chassis

You're desperate to bring this meme back aren't you?
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>>14166923
I could fit a 2GR-FE into a gt86 right?
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>>14176491
>transverse mounted v6
Of course. Be sure to buy the engine first.
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>>14166923
Anything Audi and VW
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>>14166923
Toyota Lexcen
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>>14166923
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