I don't get it, its almost the exact same car. I don't know much about manufactures but what brought this on? Are there other examples of this?
It just doesn't make sense, three manufactures, one almost identical car.
It's not hard bro.. Toyota sells it as a scion for American youth, rest of world youth doesn't have scion so Toyota sells under itself.
Subaru actually made them all but in allot less numbers as what Toyo wanted. I feel subie didn't want to do it anyway but it still happened.
I actually hate the 86 front and head lights.
Well to start off with, Scion is simply a branch of Toyota, so the GT86 is really only two companies collaborating on a single vehicle, which is not unheard of at all. In this case Subaru designed the engine while Toyota designed the chassis, I believe. Not sure about anything more specific than that.
But for other examples you can look at DSM, which was a partnership between Chrysler and Mitsubishi and resulted in several sister cars such as the Mitsubishi Eclipse/Eagle Talon and Mitsubishi 3000GT/Dodge Stealth. Additionally, Ford has often worked with Mazda, resulting in very similar cars like the Mazda 323/Ford Escort.
There are different reason. Sharing the R&D costs makes cars more profitable for the manufacturers. Also, some brands might sell better in areas than other brands do. Or maybe one manufacturer doesnt have plans to R&D a vehicle to answer other new vehicles so they might make a deal to just purchase and rebadge another companies vehicle just to get a market share.
The frs/brz for example. The scion brand is more youth oriented, suburu probably wouldnt sell very well outside of europe and north america and as for the toyota version, they probably didnt want to fuck with their image oversees or maybe since everyone thinks toyota is super reliable they wouldnt buy any of the either two.
Almost the same car maybe, but they have different setups which becomes apparent if you've driven both.
The GT-86 and FR-S ride more smoothly with higher dampening and lower spring rates. They're driftier. The BRZ has less dampening and higher spring rates, rides much more rugged and capable over rough terrain as a Subaru normally does.
>I actually hate the 86 front and head lights.
And God hates you.
OP it was just a business deal. Sports cars don't sell as well as they did in the 90s and early 00s so they wanted to hedge their bets a bit. Toyota got the way better end of the deal. Scion literally IS Toyota.
in what way is this hard to understand
>two car companies develop a car together
>they both sell it
lots of cars between different manufacturers have the same chassis
toyota also did the fuel injection system for the toyobaru
It's a marketing thing.
Slap a GMC badge on a silverado and you now have a "classy" truck that appeals to yuppies that wants the utility of a truck without looking like an inbred chevy driving redneck.
Scared your new sports car won't sell well in the states? Call it a Datsun 240z and save the Nissan brand some face.
When it comes to the FRS/BRZ/GT86 just look at who makes it. Subaru can pull it off in the U.S. because the WRX gives them a reputation for sporty cars. Toyota on the other hand has nothing sporting in their line up. They're more known for reliable econoboxes in the U.S. which would make people see the GT86 as more of a shitty economy car than a sporty coupe. That's why they sell it under the Scion banner which is newer and has less of a stereotype with it.
Thinking about tradimg in my g6 gxp for a brz.
Can stand the frs because i think scion is a stupid concept for toyota and i dont wanna be one of those fags who toyota badges them...
This, it hurts me to get an FRS because it feels like such a toyota car but having to rebadge it as such. Also makes me ask myself why would I even get my FRS serviced by them when it's a boxer engine
Exact same? Not as much as the toyoburu triplets.
But i have some rebadges off the top of my head.
> solstice, sky, and some vauxhaul that is litterally just a sky
> 9-3, g6, malibu
> Silverado, sierra
> the great sickening that was the blazer, bravado, jimmy.
> envoy, 9-5, trailblazer.
Thats all i can remember right now. Typed it while taking a dump.
Gonna finish my gin and go to bed
You buy the FRS because it looks better
I like the GT86 platform, but I just wish they made it look more like a "sporty" notchback trim of an econobox rather than a dedicated sports car. It's supposed to be a tribute to the AE86.
Fuck you faggot. You probably dont even have a 2.0l pussyslayer in you car. Real men like the curves of the solstice. The solstice gxp is a cruising example of hardcore automotive sex. I would give a left fucking testicle for a solstice gxp. Id give the right for the coupe version. PURE UNCUT DICK OF AUTOMOTIVE PROFANIFY
Honestly both did bad as far as front design.
My brz is black so the face isn't as noticeable but any other color looks eh.
Frs front looks better in person but if they would have out brz headlights on frs I think it would have helped.
The GT86 and the FRS are the same exact car. The BRZ has a few different bumpers and interior bits. And the brand difference is because it is a Subaru engine, and Toyota everything else. The FRS is for America and Canada, while the GT86 is for Europe and Austraila.
Subaru builds the AS1(triplets) in Gunma, derived from a modified Impreza chassis. There's STI hardware in there.
Toyota designed the body, supplies the 6AT (derived from the ISF autobox), and shared their D4-S direct injection.
Aisin supplies the 6MT
It's a Subaru regardless of how one paints it.
I'm actually in the middle of deciding which way to go right now. I test drove both, and the BRZ definitely feels slightly better on bumpy ass roads and is quieter, what with a padded trunk. It also just feels a little more mature.
The only question I have is how do headlights compare? BRZ uses halogen I think while FRS uses something else? It's odd but I do a decent bit of night commuting so it's a plus to know I got the better lights as well.
>solstice, sky, and some vauxhaul that is litterally just a sky
Don't forget the Opel version.
>derived from a modified Impreza chassis
Get lightweight 16" wheels, remove the spare tire, and get a lightweight battery.
You would be getting close to 26XX lbs
The BRZ has the stiffer suspension.
>It’s a stiffer car than the GT86, with more immediate front-end response, less body roll and also a little less oversteer dialled into its balance
sometimes car company's will have a throwaway badge that they can try new ideas with while not directly affecting their normal reputation
for fiat see autobianchi
for vw see seat or skoda
>FRS is more basic, aggressive, and has a more track-adjusted suspension.
However this one should be denounced as the GT86 for the north american market
>GT86 is for Asian markets.
>tfw europe = asia
It's not even called GT86 in Asia it's just the Toyota 86 in Asia.
autobianchi has long been dead.
as for op and his question, something similar happens with the euro vans (ducato, jumper, boxer) and euro superminis. c1, yaris and 107. mostly bodywork changes with almost no mechanical differences. usually even built in the same factory.
The higher end model is called the GT86.
The 86 is the base model, pretty much like the FRS except with 16" wheels
Toyota wanted to revive the 86 but their engineering department doesn't know shit but ecoboxes anymore so they brought subaru into the boat. Contracts were signed and the joint venture started. Both companies are allowed to sell the car and do so but with slightly different optic. The FRS is just a poorspec GT86 so american teenagers can afford one.
Wrong. The 86 and GT86 are the exact same. They call it the 86 in Asia because muh tofu heritage and the GT86 in Europe because tofu heritage is unknown in Europe and just calling it the 86 wouldn't be enough to indicate that it's a sports car.
Mine is an only car. Yet to find it impractical.
>spend 20k on a car
>rip out whole interior
Aside from the spare, there is nothing worth ripping out.
And a carbon fiber drive shaft is hardly the best bang for the buck with this car. Lightweight wheels and good tires are a much better investment
Oh, you're one of those guys who doesn't actually work on his car and just safely DDs and nothing more because cars are just fashion accessories and appliances to you. Yup, just keep it as close to stock as possible, don't go above the speed limit, cars aren't for fun, just looking at.
>best power output
Wat. tires by far are better.
CF driveshafts are only really useful for drag racing and they still do nothing for power output, they just help with putting power down due to their flex (And they are alot stronger for high-hp applications)
Though going back up the comments anon was on about weight not power. id disagree though, lexan windows would shave ALOT of weight, so would a one-piece CF front end.
A one piece CF/Fiberglass front end would probably also give you a shitload better weight distribution to boot.
A CF/Fiberglass rear hatch with lexan window would also save alot of money. Alot of guys with coupes do that pretty early on.
The stock radio weighs like 5lbs. Swapped mine out for a Sony unit (the stock one stopped working) and it only weighs 1lb. Seems like the first thing I'd do if I were doing weight reduction mods.
Toyota owns a controlling share in Subaru. Since Toyota is scared of any sort of sportyness now, but they wanted a cheap sports car to appeal to the youth again, they payed off Subaru to make a sports car for them, the agreement being it would be jointly badged. So Toyota paid for most of the development costs, but Subaru did the heavy lifting, which is why it uses a Subaru Boxer engine and a modified Impreza chassis, it's a bit like the Miata and the Fiat 200, though a bit more direct. This likely foreshadows the death of the affordable sports car; Since this took two fucking manufacturers to make, if they don't sell like hotcakes, it won't be worth it for manufacturers to develop cheap coupes in the future, which is why Nissan copped out of the IDx and may cancel the Z line in the future.
2016 Camaro 4-cyl turbo will be better than the FR-S in every meaningful way
>limited slip diff
people only buy the fr-s for RWD feels on the cheap.
>people only buy the fr-s for RWD feels on the cheap.
Yeah. That's the point.