I just turned 18 and got a job. I have saved up a bit before now and within the next few months I believe I can save up about $4000-$4500 in cash to buy a 4 wheel drive. I do a yearly overland trip that takes about 600 miles of driving off-road, and I'm going to college in Montana soon so I need something with 4 wheel drive for mud and snow.
Here's what I need:
>true 4 wheel drive
>decent ground clearance and approach/departure angles
>rear LSD or locker preferred
>I must be able to sleep in the back comfortably (I'm 6'3)
>parts and repairs I can do myself, and cheaper parts are better
>seat 4 non-manlets comfortably
>have enough power to pass without dying
>decent range (I do overland travel)
>Relatively good mpg (better than 16)
>no preference about manual vs auto, i can drive both so not an issue
No XJs please, I don't want one (too many bad experiences, don't ask)
So far I'm looking at a 1999 or 2000 tahoe Z71 with the Vortec 350. I think it falls under the criteria I listed above.
What do you guys think?
you do a yearly overland trip and you dont have your own vehicle? do you ride with other people?
sorry, no advice from me, ill just be a massive toyota shill and there are very few (save the odd 3rd gen 4Runner) that will fit in your price range)
have you looked into explorers? ive had more experience with them, and its all been good.
>pardon the ford shilling
Unless you get really lucky you won't find what you're looking for in your price range. Get a 90s 4.0 explorer, put a locker in it and swap in a 5.0 5.8 at some point down the road.
What you're looking for basically doesn't exist without you having the wrenching and fab skills to make it exist.
The perfect vehicle for you op
-cheap, plentiful parts
-diff lock button
-sleeping in the front, seats fold flat
-good mpg, 25ish
The only issue i see is the power, but it is a relatively light vehicle.
The 3sgte, bolts right in if you need more.
this, you could try for a sport (2door) it has a shorter wheelbase but I don't think a 5.0 was ever put in the sport from the factory. I don't think the 4.0 is really that bad though.
Don't throw this under the bus OP. Ravs are fucking based.
honda c-rv or diahatsu terios.
c-rv has part time , bt very efficient four wheel drive.
terios has full time 4x4 and diff lock
neither have ow ratio, but i've never needed that unless climbing shit or towing shit
both will return over 30mpg's.
terios is tiny but capable
c-rv comes with a picnic, yes a fuckin picnic table under the rear carpet as standard,wt acual fuck?
impressive for a small crossover with not much clearance, but ive taken my buddies 2wd 3.0 ranger (open rear end) up stuff just like that, because it has the clearance and power (sort of) to hit the hill at 15 mph.
ur best bet for great stock/factory offroad + reliability + power is going to be a ZJ or WJ grand cherokee jeep
aka the comfy jeep
best any ZJ/WJ past 1996 will do
there are a few things you need to avoid with them though
transfer case - never go with an 249 (quadratrack), unless you like replacing viscous couplers and have a worn the fuck out shitty case all the time. the 242 and/or 243 select tract is best
engine - the 4L i6 is bullet proof but is always paired with the 42/44 RE auto trans, which is total shit, plus the v6 wont really power that huge heavy thing
the v8 is paired with 46RH / 46RE which is much better, and the engine itself is also very reliable.
both engines will be shit on gas, the v6 has to work harder to pull all that weight anyways.
also, for later years especially when you get into WJ, there are some god awful shit-tier combos paired with the v6 engine, including the dreaded dana 35.. you dont want this shit
all in all, i think the WJ's are a lot better, you can find them all the way up into model year 2004 with many realitivly low used miles on many of them.
but the ZJ's do also have some gems to watch out for... be sure to spot a limited edition with the ultra puffy quilted leather and upcountry package, the upcountry is only part of some limited serious and there is no badge for it
also, the orvis edition of ZJs are really nice too
I would be very surprised if they do better off-road, but I hope you're right. Thanks for the idea.
Really? I just looked for grins, wow they've come down in price in the last three years. Are they reliable?? I like pretty much everything about these except the design which is bleh
Can't say much myself about them.
Been doing some research and it appears the majority of people are moving on to the 2nd Gen which better but cost about twice as much then the 1st.
If you are lucky, you could find a 1st Gen with a super charger.
I actually like the design, its different but not too different.
Also there is a lot of videos to watch with them in different situations.
>lounge chair offroaders of /o/ unite!
Cool story man. I know you may find youtube clips of a Carolla drivetrained SUV tackling steep but short and parallel obstacles impressive, but out in the middle of nowhere you came accross much more challenging terrain than staged paths up hills.
My family has owned several ford explorers religiously from the 90s to today. I had the misfortune of being handed down one that lasted me 5k miles before exploding. Thermostat went after the head gaskets after the transmission after the ecu after trans solenoids and various speed and emissions sensors after blown radiator.
All within 128,548 miles of its short life
sounds like you dont take care of your shit, or your family doesnt. the thermostat is a wear item, sensors go out, thats normal. the blown radiator is something you did, and the trans was likely your fault as well. your probably one fo those people who gets given a car for free, beats the shit out of it with little to no maintenance, and then when it breaks, you call it a piece of shit.
I tried to care for it before it died.
Even being serviced at the dealer for its intervals was not enough to keep it from assploding.
I am now a proud owner of a 1999 avalon and hunting down elecrical gremlins is my weekend passtime.
Grounding issues gone now on to why it chews through interior bulbs.
It was 5k miles and 4 months of hell, nobody can stop that bs on a college students wage
Ps most of american drivers neglect their vehicles, explorers are mostly owned by retarded soccer moms with whipped husbands. Their vehicles reflect the contempt in marriage.
GWagon. Oh wait, you're a poor, stupid nigger, OP.
Xterra's are pretty mean. I don't know much about the 1st gen other than the 3.3 liter (especially the SC) is thirsty. Haven't heard anything bad as far as reliability goes. Aftermarket is a little tough for them compared to their jeep and yota counterparts, however
4x4parts.com and nisstech have plenty of shit for 1st gen offroad mods.
I have VQ40 in my truck and I can concur, it is a thirsty motherfucker. I don't think the 3.3l in the first gen is as bad as those though. The thing is as shitty as it is on gas it is a very lively engine and pretty easy to get power out of. I don't think I would trade it for anything short of a turbo diesel or the 5.6
I would go with a tj, yj, wj, mj, if you don't have a problem with I-6 with lsd good clearance but if you still want a v8 go to a j10, j20, j3000, and the nice thing is you can find parts for them every were and if you are still hater then go to a late 80s to late 90s toyota 4runner or pick up but the only thing I hate is the cast block with aluminum head on the v6 but parts are still cheap
Bronco has "Bro" in it's name, buy it.
if you dont want to go with masterrace xj, dont even think about other murican shit. seriously chevy, fucking FORD? KEK
go for a toyota vx80 dude. you can never go wrong with a toyota. if not into real hard-ass off road new land cruiser, mitsu pajero or nissan patrol should be enough too.
My Suburban with 4.10s got 16 driving in heavy traffic in the mountains and running 90+ mph on the highway. 3.73s and more civilized driving should see 16-18 average for mixed driving.
I say go for it. The IFS is a drawback but if you replace the tie rods, don't crank too far and don't go over a 33" tire it should never be an issue.
The Z71 Tahoes you can find in your price range, but you could also find a k2500 Suburban for around half that price and use the extra funds elsewhere. For overlanding, the extra space would come in handy but the slightly longer wheelbase and rear overhang (same as a RCLB pickup) are something to consider. A 3/4 ton Suburban with the 350 will usually have 4.10s stock compared to 3.42 or 3.73 in the Tahoe.
Personally, I'd stay far away from explorers. They're cheap as dirt but with good reason.
Get a Honda Ridgeline, it blows everything else out of the water.
Plus it has legendary Honda reliability.
There's also two door Tahoes and Yukons. Shorter wheelbase and better departure angle, but not as easy find and that would start to limit your sleeping to the front seat.
Tows more than OP would ever need it to
Crosses water better than an GM/Ford
Better AWD system than anything Ford/GM offers
Better fuel economy
More comfortable inside
Holds value better
Yeah so many reasons not to buy it right faggot? You sound so stupid you don't even know.
>muh universal Honda reliability
I know one person with a Honda. It's on transmission number three during two years of ownership.
Just because you like Hondas doesn't mean everything they've ever made is more reliable than anything anyone else has ever made.
It's not even an automatic.
>stronger than 4L80E, Allison, NV 5600, ZF6, etc
No, just no. You're a shill and nothing more.
Not sure about that gen but I know 3rd gen had some bearing issues and meh-tier syncros.
My Prelude ground every gear by the time I sold it, that thing was a ticking time bomb. That said, that particular generation [3g, not you buddy's 4g] shared pretty much nothing with the rest of the honda lineup.
Its a great truck. I have a rwd with a rear locker and honestly it performs better than 4x4s I've had in the past.
My truck is Titan Swapped with aftermarket arms and 2.5" extended radflos in the front and a race leaf pack in the rear. It just floats about on the dirt, but is still very composed. I've gone on extremely thing and steep riding trails that I for sure thought I'd be stuck on seeing how its rwd, but it just plows right through unless of course you're and idiot and just mash the throttle.
fellow Tswap mate. Pretty sure I've seen your truck on cf before. I also have nismo (rwd w/ locker) and have never had issues on trails.
Pretty good little truck
Don't think I've ever seen a turbo 3.3l
I've seen first gens with sr20 swaps that mobbed
And in all honesty I don't think the supercharged version is terrible. I know a guy who has one as a rockcrawler, all it took was a SAS suspension work and then gearing to get the power he wanted
happy bday OP understand that owning and maintaining a first car requires dedication to keep it running. Do not be like your peers who know jack shit on giving their rides the proper TLC it deserves
This gives me a boner
Gr8 B8 M8, r8 8/8. But bitch please, ridgeline doesn't even have a transfer case. Good idea but no thanks
Yeah I know, I've already fixed a friend's badly abused XJ myself on trails before, I've seen how fucked you can be with a lack of maintenance
>implying 350 isn't the easiest to work on with the most parts of any American engine
also, -1 for not posting the superior peugeot version