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I just turned 18 and got a job. I have saved up a bit before now and within the next few months I believe I can save up about $4000-$4500 in cash to buy a 4 wheel drive. I do a yearly overland trip that takes about 600 miles of driving off-road, and I'm going to college in Montana soon so I need something with 4 wheel drive for mud and snow.

Here's what I need:

>true 4 wheel drive
>decent ground clearance and approach/departure angles
>rear LSD or locker preferred
>I must be able to sleep in the back comfortably (I'm 6'3)
>parts and repairs I can do myself, and cheaper parts are better
>seat 4 non-manlets comfortably
>look decent
>have enough power to pass without dying
>decent range (I do overland travel)
>Relatively good mpg (better than 16)
>no preference about manual vs auto, i can drive both so not an issue

No XJs please, I don't want one (too many bad experiences, don't ask)

So far I'm looking at a 1999 or 2000 tahoe Z71 with the Vortec 350. I think it falls under the criteria I listed above.

What do you guys think?
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>>11486301
no way a tahoe gets over 16 mpgs..right?
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Diesel Suburban
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>>11486301
you do a yearly overland trip and you dont have your own vehicle? do you ride with other people?

sorry, no advice from me, ill just be a massive toyota shill and there are very few (save the odd 3rd gen 4Runner) that will fit in your price range)
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>>11486999
checked
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There's a few thousand Defenders in America which would fit, but I doubt you'll get one in your budget.
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>>11487036
>do you ride with other people?
You make it sound as if passenger seats were invented for decoration.
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>>11487049
oh sorry if i did, not intended.
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>>11486301
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>>11487077
he MIGHT find one in his price range. MIGHT.
but yeh 80 series arent in quite the bad condition 60 series are
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>>11486301
What about something like a Nissan Xterra?
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have you looked into explorers? ive had more experience with them, and its all been good.
>pardon the ford shilling
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>>11487160
Do you want the exploder c4 or exploder hiroshima?
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>>11486301
Unless you get really lucky you won't find what you're looking for in your price range. Get a 90s 4.0 explorer, put a locker in it and swap in a 5.0 5.8 at some point down the road.

What you're looking for basically doesn't exist without you having the wrenching and fab skills to make it exist.
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The perfect vehicle for you op
-cheap, plentiful parts
-fits 4
-diff lock button
-sleeping in the front, seats fold flat
-good mpg, 25ish

The only issue i see is the power, but it is a relatively light vehicle.
The 3sgte, bolts right in if you need more.
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>>11487179
>i made a ford joke guys...guys? im funny right guys?
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>>11487160
this, you could try for a sport (2door) it has a shorter wheelbase but I don't think a 5.0 was ever put in the sport from the factory. I don't think the 4.0 is really that bad though.

>>11487322
Don't throw this under the bus OP. Ravs are fucking based.
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>>11487347
the 4.0 sohc is a damn fine motor, for its time. i have one in my ranger and it pulls just fine.
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>>11487322
>diff lock button
Bullshit.
That have an AWD suitable for negotiating snow covered roads or gravel driveways.
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honda c-rv or diahatsu terios.

c-rv has part time , bt very efficient four wheel drive.

terios has full time 4x4 and diff lock

neither have ow ratio, but i've never needed that unless climbing shit or towing shit

both will return over 30mpg's.

terios is tiny but capable
c-rv comes with a picnic, yes a fuckin picnic table under the rear carpet as standard,wt acual fuck?
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>>11487370
holy crap man i havent seen you outside of dbt in a while
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>>11487367
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b0nG8JAf2c

>clearly knows nothing
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yall missed the subtly troll shit

>have enough power
>relatively good on gas

kek
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>>11487393
impressive for a small crossover with not much clearance, but ive taken my buddies 2wd 3.0 ranger (open rear end) up stuff just like that, because it has the clearance and power (sort of) to hit the hill at 15 mph.
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>>11487416
Yea, I was just showing that >>11487367 clearly has no idea
Here's a better 4wd showcase, it seems very popular in Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBpRF8SqDBs
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>>11487393
This will not survive where I'm taken for ride along to go off roading...
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anyway op
ur best bet for great stock/factory offroad + reliability + power is going to be a ZJ or WJ grand cherokee jeep
aka the comfy jeep

best any ZJ/WJ past 1996 will do
there are a few things you need to avoid with them though

transfer case - never go with an 249 (quadratrack), unless you like replacing viscous couplers and have a worn the fuck out shitty case all the time. the 242 and/or 243 select tract is best

engine - the 4L i6 is bullet proof but is always paired with the 42/44 RE auto trans, which is total shit, plus the v6 wont really power that huge heavy thing

the v8 is paired with 46RH / 46RE which is much better, and the engine itself is also very reliable.
both engines will be shit on gas, the v6 has to work harder to pull all that weight anyways.

also, for later years especially when you get into WJ, there are some god awful shit-tier combos paired with the v6 engine, including the dreaded dana 35.. you dont want this shit

all in all, i think the WJ's are a lot better, you can find them all the way up into model year 2004 with many realitivly low used miles on many of them.
but the ZJ's do also have some gems to watch out for... be sure to spot a limited edition with the ultra puffy quilted leather and upcountry package, the upcountry is only part of some limited serious and there is no badge for it
also, the orvis edition of ZJs are really nice too
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>>11487454
russians off road everything though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN7ShDNzLII
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>>11487461
But can it survive dunes and super soft sandy steep hills?
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>>11487454
For what reason?
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>>11487469
maybe actually...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25u80sQkkkM
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>>11487322

Is there any reason to prefer this over a Forester?
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>>11486301
1st Gen Xterra could do it what you need possibly.
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>>11487833
>ground clearance
>diff locks
People can still manage a lot with Foresters though
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>>11487848

I would be very surprised if they do better off-road, but I hope you're right. Thanks for the idea.

>>11487844

Really? I just looked for grins, wow they've come down in price in the last three years. Are they reliable?? I like pretty much everything about these except the design which is bleh
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>>11487943
Can't say much myself about them.
Been doing some research and it appears the majority of people are moving on to the 2nd Gen which better but cost about twice as much then the 1st.

If you are lucky, you could find a 1st Gen with a super charger.

I actually like the design, its different but not too different.

Also there is a lot of videos to watch with them in different situations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeSOmhqUwzQ
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>>11487393
>lounge chair offroaders of /o/ unite!
Cool story man. I know you may find youtube clips of a Carolla drivetrained SUV tackling steep but short and parallel obstacles impressive, but out in the middle of nowhere you came accross much more challenging terrain than staged paths up hills.
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>>11487346
My family has owned several ford explorers religiously from the 90s to today. I had the misfortune of being handed down one that lasted me 5k miles before exploding. Thermostat went after the head gaskets after the transmission after the ecu after trans solenoids and various speed and emissions sensors after blown radiator.
All within 128,548 miles of its short life
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>>11488314
sounds like you dont take care of your shit, or your family doesnt. the thermostat is a wear item, sensors go out, thats normal. the blown radiator is something you did, and the trans was likely your fault as well. your probably one fo those people who gets given a car for free, beats the shit out of it with little to no maintenance, and then when it breaks, you call it a piece of shit.
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>>11488314
I tried to care for it before it died.
Even being serviced at the dealer for its intervals was not enough to keep it from assploding.
I am now a proud owner of a 1999 avalon and hunting down elecrical gremlins is my weekend passtime.
Grounding issues gone now on to why it chews through interior bulbs.
It was 5k miles and 4 months of hell, nobody can stop that bs on a college students wage
Ps most of american drivers neglect their vehicles, explorers are mostly owned by retarded soccer moms with whipped husbands. Their vehicles reflect the contempt in marriage.
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GWagon. Oh wait, you're a poor, stupid nigger, OP.

>Bwhahah.bat
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>>11486301
The answer to your question is the 2nd or 3rd generation Montero.
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>>11487965
Xterra's are pretty mean. I don't know much about the 1st gen other than the 3.3 liter (especially the SC) is thirsty. Haven't heard anything bad as far as reliability goes. Aftermarket is a little tough for them compared to their jeep and yota counterparts, however
4x4parts.com and nisstech have plenty of shit for 1st gen offroad mods.
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>>11488303
Again, was simply responding to this comment>>11487367
The rav4 has true AWD, as can be seen in both the clips I posted
>>11487393
>>11487450
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>>11488430
Jesus, I occasionally drive an '07 xterra off road with the 4.0L and it seems really bad on gas.
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>>11488447
I have VQ40 in my truck and I can concur, it is a thirsty motherfucker. I don't think the 3.3l in the first gen is as bad as those though. The thing is as shitty as it is on gas it is a very lively engine and pretty easy to get power out of. I don't think I would trade it for anything short of a turbo diesel or the 5.6
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>>11488453
I find my 2.0L 3sgte much more impressive.
Has almost the same power, but is a full 2L smaller.
Also the gas mileage and torque are very impressive for a turbo four
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>>11488453
jesus that thing looks terrible
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>>11486301

>GC8
>bronco

Choose.
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>>11488506
thx m9 i love it
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I would go with a tj, yj, wj, mj, if you don't have a problem with I-6 with lsd good clearance but if you still want a v8 go to a j10, j20, j3000, and the nice thing is you can find parts for them every were and if you are still hater then go to a late 80s to late 90s toyota 4runner or pick up but the only thing I hate is the cast block with aluminum head on the v6 but parts are still cheap
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkBe7wBy_fY

Bronco has "Bro" in it's name, buy it.
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>>11486301
if you dont want to go with masterrace xj, dont even think about other murican shit. seriously chevy, fucking FORD? KEK

go for a toyota vx80 dude. you can never go wrong with a toyota. if not into real hard-ass off road new land cruiser, mitsu pajero or nissan patrol should be enough too.
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>>11487147
avoid 1st gen, engines are gutless turds.
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>>11490194
>OP is 6'3 and wants to sleep in the back
>you suggest fucking TJ,YJ

did you even read the OP's question, or are you a Heep dick rider.
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>>11490443
Seen plenty of first Gen do well. Just don't get a the 00 or 01 model.
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>>11490220
>Ignoring OPs mpg requirement.
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>>11486999
My Suburban with 4.10s got 16 driving in heavy traffic in the mountains and running 90+ mph on the highway. 3.73s and more civilized driving should see 16-18 average for mixed driving.

>>11486301
I say go for it. The IFS is a drawback but if you replace the tie rods, don't crank too far and don't go over a 33" tire it should never be an issue.

The Z71 Tahoes you can find in your price range, but you could also find a k2500 Suburban for around half that price and use the extra funds elsewhere. For overlanding, the extra space would come in handy but the slightly longer wheelbase and rear overhang (same as a RCLB pickup) are something to consider. A 3/4 ton Suburban with the 350 will usually have 4.10s stock compared to 3.42 or 3.73 in the Tahoe.

>>11487160
Personally, I'd stay far away from explorers. They're cheap as dirt but with good reason.
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>>11490451
>namefag "The jeep guy"
>"are you a Heep dick rider"

did you even read his post, or are you a faggot
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Get a Honda Ridgeline, it blows everything else out of the water.

Plus it has legendary Honda reliability.
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>>11490706
Looks like a truck for a manlet in OP's case
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>>11488453
More pics?

That front pic does it no justice.
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>>11490680
There's also two door Tahoes and Yukons. Shorter wheelbase and better departure angle, but not as easy find and that would start to limit your sleeping to the front seat.
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>>11490768
What wheels are those?
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>>11490786
Hutchinson double beadlocks.
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>>11490726

Tows more than OP would ever need it to
Crosses water better than an GM/Ford
Better AWD system than anything Ford/GM offers
More reliable
Better handling
Better fuel economy
More comfortable inside
Holds value better

Yeah so many reasons not to buy it right faggot? You sound so stupid you don't even know.
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>>11490969
>I must be able to sleep in the back comfortably (I'm 6'3)
>seat 4 non-manlets comfortably

I never brought up any of those issues.
Honda Shill plz
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>>11490969
This is bait.
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>>11490969
>>11490706
>muh universal Honda reliability
I know one person with a Honda. It's on transmission number three during two years of ownership.
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>>11491034

That's a blatant lie if I ever saw one.

>burrr mcdurrr hurrr hondaz eat tranniez

GM shill pls go
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>>11491170
Honda automatic trannies are known failure points, mr shill.

This is coming from someone that actually likes Honda. Well, except the Ridgeline.
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>>11491205

>known failure points

All makers have dud transmissions now and then. Anything Honda makes is certainly better than anything GM/FORD/CHRYSLER makes. Transmissions included
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>>11491281
>727, TH400/350, C4, 700-R4, 200-4R, M20/21
B8 and all that but c'mon man.
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>>11491170
Just because you like Hondas doesn't mean everything they've ever made is more reliable than anything anyone else has ever made.

>>11491205
It's not even an automatic.

>>11491281
>Honda transmission
>stronger than 4L80E, Allison, NV 5600, ZF6, etc
No, just no. You're a shill and nothing more.
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>>11491384
What kind of Honda is it?
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>>11491416
95 Prelude. I think it used to be red but the clear coat's gone and now it's pink.
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>>11490736
here you go m9
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>>11491596
Oh man that makes me want to get a Frontier.

How well does it perform?

If I were to do this I would keep it straight baja.
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>>11491596
and another front view
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>>11491446
Not sure about that gen but I know 3rd gen had some bearing issues and meh-tier syncros.

My Prelude ground every gear by the time I sold it, that thing was a ticking time bomb. That said, that particular generation [3g, not you buddy's 4g] shared pretty much nothing with the rest of the honda lineup.
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>>11491596

Why the fuck does everyone and their mother want these tires? Red letters? There's better shit out there.
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>>11491603
Its a great truck. I have a rwd with a rear locker and honestly it performs better than 4x4s I've had in the past.

My truck is Titan Swapped with aftermarket arms and 2.5" extended radflos in the front and a race leaf pack in the rear. It just floats about on the dirt, but is still very composed. I've gone on extremely thing and steep riding trails that I for sure thought I'd be stuck on seeing how its rwd, but it just plows right through unless of course you're and idiot and just mash the throttle.
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>>11491620
got a deal on them, my other set are BFG ATs
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>>11491603
>>11491623
fellow Tswap mate. Pretty sure I've seen your truck on cf before. I also have nismo (rwd w/ locker) and have never had issues on trails.
Pretty good little truck
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>>11490443
Thoughts on getting a turbo for it then?
Depending on how its done it could increase power and millage.
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>>11491766
Don't think I've ever seen a turbo 3.3l
I've seen first gens with sr20 swaps that mobbed
And in all honesty I don't think the supercharged version is terrible. I know a guy who has one as a rockcrawler, all it took was a SAS suspension work and then gearing to get the power he wanted
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>>11491784
isn't*
sorry
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>>11491784
Maybe someone should build an ERS for trucks and stuff.
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>>11491798
I think the best option of course would be a turbo diesel like in the international versions
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happy bday OP understand that owning and maintaining a first car requires dedication to keep it running. Do not be like your peers who know jack shit on giving their rides the proper TLC it deserves

Good luck!!
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>>11491833

No it doesn't, not if you buy a reliable car. Then it just requires basic maintenance a couple times a year and you're golden.

But OP wants to buy a piece of shit, so yeah.
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Buy a P38 so it ruins you financially
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>>11490680
This gives me a boner

>>11490969
Gr8 B8 M8, r8 8/8. But bitch please, ridgeline doesn't even have a transfer case. Good idea but no thanks

>>11491833
Yeah I know, I've already fixed a friend's badly abused XJ myself on trails before, I've seen how fucked you can be with a lack of maintenance

>>11492014
>implying 350 isn't the easiest to work on with the most parts of any American engine

>>11492465
Kek
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>>11488416
>old G-wagons
>expensive

also, -1 for not posting the superior peugeot version
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