>Proving once again that many of America’s political pundits are paid to shape public opinion through wishful thinking (disguised as analysis), Monmouth University just released a national poll showing that all this PunditSpeak about Donald Trump having a ceiling of support around 20%… No, 25%… For sure, 30%… is nonsense.
>Monmouth has The Donald obliterating the competition nationally with 41% support.
Are Trump voters really stupid enough not to see he's going to get crushed in the presidential election? All this extreme republican populism is winning him the republican nomination, but it's been doing nothing but alienating the indecisive center (you know, the people that actually make or break elections?)
A vote for Trump in the primaries is a vote for Hillary in the presidentials.
>not taking a billionaire with an IQ of 156, who can't be bought seriously
You're on the wrong side of history dude, shed your weakness and bureaucracy behind. It's time we elect a great man with scruples and passion to run this country.
Bernie is seen as too leftist to have a chance in the general by most liberals. In reality, he actually would have a pretty decent chance of winning, according to current hypothetical polling, better than Hillary's, but most believe Hillary will better attract moderates, since she's practically a Republican herself.
I'm still hopeful for a Bernie win in Iowa. Hillary is winning the polls by a bit, but Bernie has really dedicated supporters, and in a caucus, where people have to stand around for hours to vote, I think Bernie's supporters will come out more than Hillary's. He has NH pretty much locked up, so if he won the first two the next fifty or so would be pretty interesting. Still, as it stands now, Hillary has a hefty lead,
Why are some Americans so angry about people like Trump running? Isn't the entire idea of democracy that anyone can become president? And furthermore, if his ideas are 'stupid', but he wins, what does that say about how representative the ideas of Trump haters are?
As a European I can tell you not to listen to guys who can't capitalize the beginnings of their sentences or mark their ends with periods.
That's obvious signs that you are dealing with ISIS agents.
Nah, it really depends on board culture. Some are more disciplined than others.
If you are a regular of /a/ and venture into the rest of 4chan, you'll probably think everybody else is a rabid shitposter. If you're a regular of /b/ and venture into the rest of 4chan, everybody else will probably think you're a rabid shitposter.
Nah man. People hate shillary. One of the reasons Obama won the last election is because of PA. Well I can tell you we can't stand shillary here, even people in homiedelphia (the reason for us being blue) don't like here.
If Shillary wins the primary, which she will, we will be a red state again for the first time in years.
Donald Trump is the real deal.. All you need to do is look at the amount of disruption his campaign is causing to realize how much support he really has. He has consistently gone up in the polls; in a massive field of candidates.
He is the polar opposite of everything the dems and; to a lesser degree, the republican establishment stand for. For a long time, republican voters have been frustrated and Trump knows how to tap into that. A lot of these voters support him simply because the keks they get out of watching him verbally destroy the people that they precieve to be putting up road blocks to the things they care deeply about.
These things aren't crazy.. Wanting to keep america american shouldn't be a radical belief. Wanting to continue to possess a superior military and to have a foreign policy that possess actual gravity shouldn't be a radical belief.
Wanting to keep out groups of people that are ideologicaly opposed to what being american means shouldn't be a radical belief.
The people supporting Trump have a correct gut feeling that the policies from both parties are eroding our collective ability to be a superior force in the world.
Trump will win because enough people still believe that America shouldn't compitulate to the global world view. They are tired of this way of operating and it has gone on long enough to make put the damage in the spotlight. The more people he wakes up to what has happened; the more fervent his support will become.
Does anyone actually have any nation-wide polls on Trump's support rates? Not just support for him from the Republican base, but from the USA as a whole.
>Wanting to keep america american shouldn't be a radical belief
>keep out groups of people that are ideologicaly opposed to what being american means
That's rich coming from a guy who shits on the constitution daily.
Do you believe Trump will defend your liberties?
I do agree the current political establishment is rotten to the core and Trump is happy to exploit it. Trump and Bernie both represent just how tired Americans are of insider groups and pi-partisan globalist (inb4 alex jones) agreements. A Trump presidency would be an interesting divergence from the decades-old status quo, if nothing else.
>Trump crushed in general
I have a feeling that it might end this way, or Trump harnesses the current frustration of the American people with the establishment, and focuses on giving the message of bringing back jobs and reforming the financial system and he destroys Hillary in the rust-belt, winning OH, PA, WI, and maybe even MI and FL
I know trump will:
Defend free speech
Defend gun rights
Protect american jobs
That's enough for me to vote for him.
I knoe he's for the collection of metadata, but no candidate checks all the boxes. I'm not a degenerate criminal so I'm not too worried.
Please tell me what rights I'd be giving up by electing Trump
Discriminating against people for their religious beliefs is a horrible violation of the first amendment.
Plus, all the jingoist rhetoric and talk about we somehow need to get even harder on terrorism (no doubt at the expense of our collective privacy) is the exact opposite of what America actually needs. The federal government is too big and authoritarian as it is, and now this guy wants to build a database on every single immigrant in the country.
Not being American leads to a misunderstanding of what it means to be American.
Its means not having the government tell you what you can and can not do, as long as what you do does not harm yourself or others.
The vast majority of gun owners are responsible, and the leftys want to use isolated instances as a power grab. I'm not saying there's not a problem; but an outright gun ban or grab won't fix it.
Because you probably won't do your own research; If you look at the methodology behind that statistic, you would see what lengths the authors went through to inflate that number.
G8 b8 m8
>they included wounded people in those statistics too.
No they did not. That statistic isn't about how many people died or got hurt, it's about how often somebody use a gun (or a toy gun) to shoot (and possibly hurt) at least 4 people.
It's not about how many people were hurt.
If you want a statistic showing how many people died from gun action.
Here's the numbers for 2013.
>Gun violence in the United States results in thousands of deaths and thousands more injuries annually. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms (excluding BB and pellet guns) were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens)  and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000), 21,175 by suicide with a firearm, 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent" for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms.
This is my main reason for being pro-Trump. I just want to watch the American establishment shit itself from the comfort of my European home. It's already happening and it's already glorious.
The other reason I'm pro-Trump is he's right about everything.
Because if there's one thing we know about statistics, it's that correlation always = causation. Since you have a base level understanding of statistics, lets ignore that for arguments sake, how do you then explain the correlation between relatively stricter gun laws and lower gun ownership in every other developed country with the almost complete lack of mass shootings (or at the very least a relatively tiny number in comparison). Do you honestly think that when gun ownership reaches a certain level mass shootings and school shootings will just stop? Or does it make more sense that less guns might mean less gun violence (a tried and tested theory in every developed country)
Well said. I'm sick and tired of people who have an opinion contrary to the popular "multiculturalism at all fucking costs" mindset being railroaded. Freedom of speech does not exist if you can lose your job for saying we should ban all muslims from entering our country. Freedom of speech is gone when news organizations cover up the hundreds of daily examples of black on white crime, and report on Kanye and Kim's relationship... freedom of speech does not exist.
Yes and those 6 corporations are all run by jews who have been pressing both multiculturalism and terrorism down our throats, Those same 6 jews made sure Ron Paul had almost ZERO coverage in the entire media of the united states last election...
US = #1 worldwide for gun ownership, 5% of world population, 31% of worldwide public mass shootings between 1966 and 2012, 62% of worldwide school mass shootings over the same timeframe. These are stone cold facts.
Given this, do you actually believe that the high amount of guns and insanely lax restrictions on obtaining them is not to blame?
You have a waaaaay higher chance of being shot and killed by an American than you do of being killed by ISIS, yet reducing gun related deaths seems to be a non-issue for Republicans. All the while Trump continues spewing bullshit about closing borders to Muslims, when less than 0.01% of all Muslims would ever want anything to do with ISIS. Although if he's wanting to encourage Muslims to radicalise and hate America I can't think of many better ways he could do that.
(Absolutely not saying ISIS arent a problem btw).
Obviously trolling gun freaks is pointless (albeit incredibly easy and a fun way to pass the time at work) when all of your arguments boil down to ' but but but ma rights'. Mass shootings, school shootings, gun homicides, whatever, will continue at stupidly high rates until America takes it's lips off the arsehole of the NRA and stops swallowing the phony shit they're spewing
I don't know if US style gun ownership is a bad thing or not. But I do know that the USA have more pressing issues.
He wouldn't be "too offensive" if he stopped insulting people like a grade school kid. It's really too much, and it's embarrassing to see someone who's trying to become a politician act this way.
Wanted to say that I'm still big Trump supporter, but last nights debate was not a good showing for him. It seemed like he let Jeb get under his skin.
Cruz was in perfect form. And despite being marginalized by the media for the entire first part of the cycle has begun to break out, he finally got a fair amount of time at a debate.
If the alliance between him and Trump wasn't apparent before it certainly is now, a Trump/Cruz ticket is possible, and seems more likely after last night. I think the pair would dominate; with Trump expressing the gut feelings that connect with voters so well, and Cruz articulating why conservative viewpoint ts are superior to higher information voters.
Everyone else on the stage is either in decline or on suicide watch. I suspect Cruz will continue to build off Rubio and Carson, and maybe to a lesser degree Trump.
>your privacy ended the second technology allowed for mass spying. Congress can pass every law they can think of against it, but the NSA, CIA, and FBI will just keep doing it in secret unless you walk into their house and smash all they spying equipment.
So we shouldn't even try? Should murder also be legal because "people are doing it anyway"?
I agree. Trump wasn't on his game but it doesn't help that the questions were specifically not in his favour or were outright based on things he's said in the past.
It doesn't excuse him though, since he's supposed to be able to handle any question at any time as president. But it was clear cnn was trying to set him up; even the audience was paid to be there.
If he hadn't made jeb look like a little boy with his laughable antics, the debate would have been disastrous for trump. I don't think anyone respects jeb anymore, and he brought it on himself
I used to be on the Trump bandwagon. But then came his anti-vaccine shit. That was just stupid.
I doubted him, but he swept it under the carpet pretty quickly.
But last might he lost me:
1) doesn't know what nuclead triad is.
2) doesn't know how the oil markets work
3) doesn't know how the internet works
That shit is inexcusable. He could have put in a small bit of work and learned this very fucking important stuff. But he didn't. I don't even want to speculate on why he wouldn't have done his homework.
But the ast straw for me, the thing that had me up when I should have been sleeping, was how he let the GOP own him.
"Yes, Wolf. Uh, Yes, I'm ready to say it. I'm ready to commit to being a lifelong Republican. I will not run as an independent."
I was embarrassed to have supported him, to have wasted my time getting others interested in him.
He was the guy who didn't owe anyone anything, and now he's just a GOP puppet.
If he wins, he'll do as the GOP tells him to do.
Death of hope.
Thanks Donald, you lazy fuck.
>I don't even want to speculate on why he wouldn't have done his homework.
Because Republican pollgoers only care about personality and bravado, not policy.
Why are you surprised? He has barely any firm policy prescriptions other than "argh, we gotta bomb the fuck out of ISIS, deport the Mexicans and turn away all Muslims." They're just stupid gut reactions that clearly demonstrate a complete lack of understanding. of important issues.
Why are you comparing a country that has 23 million people with a state that has about 600 thousand?
A more apt comparison would be Texas (relatively same population) which has 3.2 gun related homicides per 100,000.
Also, please show me a city or state with 66 firearm related homicides per 100,00 (Honduras).
I'm going to stay in my own country and vote for my own racist corrupt politicians thanks very much. The U.S. Presidential election is the best free show in town. Lincoln must be rolling in his grave when he sees what his party of emancipation has become.
Using statistics without context is useless. For instance, Detroit is known for having an unusually high unemployment rate which leads to significantly higher crime rates. I could easily point out murder rates in war torn countries and say it's proof that guns lead to more murders, but that doesn't mean anything because it's taken out of context. Personally I don't care if you own a gun or not, but I do care if you have thousands of rounds of ammo. I believe restricting the amount of ammo you can purchase is the answer and all excess ammo must be stored at a gun range.
Trump might have amazing policies but he's not going to be the king of the US. He will run head first into the Congress and then what? You need to convince those idiots to pass laws. Those bought and paid for politicians who will vote for whoever gives them the most money.
>Donald Trump doesn't know how the internet works
He's almost 70 years old, how many people do you know that old who have a perfect understanding of the Internet? I bet everyone in this thread thinks they know more about the internet than anyone running. You can't expect the president to be as autistic as you.
>Donald Trump doesn't know about the triad.
Who cares? That's why he has a joint Chief of staff and a sec of defense. Rubio thought he was way 1337 but really it fell flat.
>Donald Trump was stumped, and I used to support him
If Trump is truly losing support, where is it going? I bet Donald's and Ted's support continues to rise as they attack the very weak Rubio.
Am I the only person who feels that nothing at all will change even if he gets elected? None of the great stuff people claim, no that's far too out there. Likely we will just hit stagnation as congress refuses to respond to him out of spite.
His policy on banning all Muslims from coming into the country violates the First Amendment.
He wants to end birthright citizenship, which would violate the 14th Amendment.
And now with his talk on controlling the internet that could potentially be a violation of the 4th Amendment with some additional 1st Amendment violations.
>Reformed tax code + lower taxes
Sure his flat tax plan would balloon our deficit, but we'll be able to afford it because Donald Trump said that the economy will just magically get super great once he's in office.
>Revised trade deals that don't leech jobs and wealth from the US
Oh sure, I trust he'll do that. It's not like he currently has a ton of jobs overseas, right?
>Lowered immigration to prevent gorillions of foreigners to walk in and take American jobs
I can finally pursue my dream of working as a berry-picker by day and a slaughterhouse worker by night without those darn illegal immigrants taking all the good jobs.
>Actual security measures against militant Islam
Sure let's destroy relations with all Muslim countries by banning Muslims from our country and specifically target women and children. That won't backfire and radicalize even more Muslims, no sir.
>Protecting of our constitutional rights
Yeah, except for the 1st, 4th and 14th Amendments. Fuck those.
>A sitting president that answers to the people instead of whichever kike did him the most favors on the campaign trail
Truly the answer to the problem of bought politicians is to cut out the middle man and just give the job to the person who buys them.
>A slowdown of the erosion of our demographics
M-muh white genocide
>Sure let's destroy relations with all Muslim countries by banning Muslims from our country and specifically target women and children. That won't backfire and radicalize even more Muslims, no sir.
Anons looking to become a cuck, take note. A lot to learn here.
I think it all boils down to Trump playing on the hopes of people who are scared of the unchecked immigration leading to tragedies like the recent shootings and the fact that finding work has become so difficult while everything's being outsourced abroad to save megacorps billions.
Hillary can only parrot whatever PC thing of the week comes up(suddenly she supports gay marriage) and all she offers is "feel good about being not-racist by welcoming more immigrants and I have a vagina."
I voted for Obama, and mailed off my GOP registration to vote for Trump in the primaries and the general.
The Dems have gone off the deep end like the Repubs did under Bush. Trump's actual policies are very moderate and good for the poor and middle class. So I'll vote for him. Hillary and Bernie will destroy the job market completely, and all the others besides maybe Rand on the Repub side will cause WW3.
>His policy on banning all Muslims from coming into the country violates the First Amendment.
the Constitution does not grant anything to Non-Citizens. At all. If you are not an American citizen, you are not protected by the 1st amendment.
>He wants to end birthright citizenship, which would violate the 14th Amendment.
It doesnt, and has been proven.
>And now with his talk on controlling the internet that could potentially be a violation of the 4th Amendment with some additional 1st Amendment violations.
For non-Americans. He wants to shut down the internet in parts of the world we are fighting against. Not in America, or in regards to american citizens.
Try researching before posting.
>Sure his flat tax plan would balloon our deficit, but we'll be able to afford it because Donald Trump said that the economy will just magically get super great once he's in office.
step in the correct direction, better than the other party members that will hurt us long term.
>Oh sure, I trust he'll do that. It's not like he currently has a ton of jobs overseas, right?
He has talked about this as well. He exploits the loop holes as he is a business man. He wouldnt be a good one if he didnt. He wishes to end these, and make business work in America again, which the tax reform would allow for.
>I can finally pursue my dream of working as a berry-picker by day and a slaughterhouse worker by night without those darn illegal immigrants taking all the good jobs.
Many poor Americans who are not illegal (of any race) work and would love to work those jobs. Businesses should be punished for what amount to slave labour.
>That won't backfire and radicalize even more Muslims, no sir.
yes, if we dont allow moderate Muslims in they will go crazy and kill us. Really making the argument for letting them in- hey, if you let them in some might go crazy and kill us- but if you dont let them in even MORE will go crazy and kill us!
>Yeah, except for the 1st, 4th and 14th Amendments. Fuck those.
I posted this, but again to hammer it in- Non American Citizens are not protected under the Constitution. People in Britain do not have the 2nd, people in the China do not have the 1st, just because USA has it.
>Truly the answer to the problem of bought politicians is to cut out the middle man and just give the job to the person who buys them.
At least he will owe no favors
>M-muh white genocide
only real argument you could make, although Trump wants foreigners in, just ones that are useful and not a drain on infrastructure or society.
Think it's funny how libs validate gun bans by making it sound like every time they step out of their front door, there are raging gun battles as if they are stepping into a war zone. I don't know much about politics I just know I agree with majority of the real shit I hear repubs say and am like never not amazed at the fantasy land that dems think they live in. Dems also know better then everyone else at how they should live their lives.
Not to mention dems will continue increase the social divide and promote discrimination and fuel hate to all us "crimal racist" whites. Only acceptable racism and discrimination now today is against white Americans.
>implying we arnt all already on a data base
>implying USA doesnt already have laws allowing this
>implying you didnt agree to them when you bought your internet, phone, or signed up for social media and email
>implying this wont mainly be directed at refugees and mosques that have been found to finance terrorism in the past
You're not alone. Too much power has been consolidated in the executive branch, and it seems like there's no reversing that at this point.
The only option is to try choosing people that will minimize the damage. We're fucked regardless.
>the constitution says you cant discriminate based on religion
The constitution also says you cant discriminate based on "national origin", but the US blocked immigration from the Axis nations during WWII.
The US Constitution does not apply to non-US citizens, if it did, the US would have to let all 7 Billion people in the world vote in American elections.
>but but... Muslim data bases
Lots of countries keep track of what religion their citizens are, including the UK.
so you didnt understand I was just quoting the ill informed poster, and didnt bother correcting every little detail? You should respond to that poster, not to myself. I am well aware of Trump's tax plan and the link.
Try to lurk and understand how posting works here, its not like reddit ;^)
He's estimated to have an IQ above 150. It's not proven at all.
>no political experience
>his casino empire filed for bankruptcy more than any other american company of similar size
>draft dodger who hawks on about military intervention despite not having any experience
>shit at diplomacy
>Do you honestly think that when gun ownership reaches a certain level mass shootings and school shootings will just stop?
Yes they do. People who don't support any control laws actually think that if everybody is carrying a gun then if somebody tries to shoot someone everyone will just shoot them. They are delusional and think having a gun makes them all powerful.
Hillary is such an easy Target and all around disgusting liar that I can only imagine how brutally Trump would lay her out.
Trump winning the presidency is literally literally at it's greatest chances it will ever be in this election, most of all because of how hilariously weak Hillary is. If you think he hasn't been setting up the pieces to win the general this entire time then you're not paying attention to what Trump has been doing at all, which is basically what he wants you to do.
His positions that actually appeal to 75% of America are what his entire campaign is founded upon, he's just trotting out the few things that will win him the nomination now, but once that's done he won't hold back. Not to mention the decades of skeletons, both actual and metaphorical, the Clintons have in their closet.
Trump will beat Hillary so badly that the entire political structure of the US will change around him, and the Democrat party as we know it will almost certainly be decimated, assuming the Republicans as a whole are smart enough to adopt Trump's platform.
This, im starting to think that there will be a great number of Americans that discover that filtering their information by political affiliation is a bad idea.
They keep saying "Trump is gonna fail, he is hated" but his numbers keep up. Maybe they are just reading their facebook feed?
You're close to the truth, I think. The myth of social media is that it has brought together many disparate peoples from around the globe to come together and share a variety of ideas and collaborate.
The reality is that it has allowed many disparate peoples from around the globe to huddle into highly insular communities, each group furthering their own isolation while reaffirming their own pathological beliefs.
I suspect social media has been as much a divisive force as it has been an inclusive one.
Advanced Poly Sci degreed
Before campaign starts, think Trump is a chump/joke.
Still haven't read or listened to any of his proposed policies.
Can't help but notice All mainstream media (left, right, liberal, conservative, etc.) in continiued full panic to belittle and discredit him.
Every picture of Trump, he looks disheveled and crazed, or stupd; anything but "presidential"
As all mainstream media is Zionist-controlled, it's obvious whom "the man" does not want on the ballot.
Decide to register for the first time as a Repulican so I can vote in the primary & (hopefully) election for Trump.
Thanks jew-controlled mainstream media for making it clear; Trump is the only candidate for Americans that wants our government to be working for Americans.
A Trump presidency will really illustrate constintutionally-wise how little power a president is supposed to have, but it will be great keks
Your understanding of Socialism comes from corporate controlled mainstream media, which explains your post. If you actually knew what it meant for main-street USA, you'd support it too. (Outside of the label "socialism," a vast majority of Amercan's identify socialist policies as desirable.) In the information age, ignorance is a choice.
Correct! That's why the media reminds you everyday, several times a day, about how "evil" they were that one time 70+ years ago. National Socialism needs to be re-branded with different terminologies, and everybody in every country would vote for it.