Isn't this just common knowledge? I figure the only people that don't believe it are those making money off of what is causing it or people who drank the red kool aid and pray to Glenn Beck before bed.
>>19459 People as a tribe are ignorant fucks. With the belief in man made climate change we have returned to the ancient theory of sacrifice. Cut the heart out of a live human and eat it to appease the gods of climate. Turning food into ethanol and mandating its inclusion into gas tanks so MPG is reduced while people all over the world starve to death is both primitive and cruel.
>>19534 Cycles of warmth and cooling do happen, and have happened in the Earth's past. They've taken tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years with concern to global warming and or cooling.
If you know that much about Earth's past, you would also be able to conclude that an accelerated rate of change, that could happen in Hundreds of years, might have been caused by something that happened recently. The only thing we are currently aware of is our significant population explosion coupled with our advances in technology as well as the population of animals, we farm and feed on, growing at a rate to match our hunger.
Now you might live in a place where you can't see the effects of consistently warmer weather, I do. Not only that, storms that are rare for my area have been happening with an uncommon frequency, Tornadoes, high wind storms and ice storms. I live in area that gets snow frequently in the winter and with common temperature drops as low as -10F dipping occasionally to -40F. The past three winters we've had record breaking highs with record low snowfalls, this year at most only 12 to 16 inches, with each consecutive year being warmer than the last. That is also reflected in the springs, summers and autumns as well. It's rained four times this month and on Christmas as well, it looks like spring already and we haven't even entered February.
You can believe that global warming caused humans is a religion based on an absent of fact. That is irrelevant. In a couple decades there may be no more seasons, and sitting by doing nothing or disputing the cause will only exacerbate the problem. It is a fact that Global Warming is happening and it does effect our lives to a very great degree. It effects our fishing and agricultural output, the storm and weather patterns, the availability of wood as a cheap renewable building material and fuel source and a bunch of other stuff as well.
TL;DR your stupid, edgy, or focusing on the wrong thing.
>>19534 You're a real idiot, especially when you can smell the pollution coming from the cars. The world changes but it's not to out advantage. The air will get thinner and the waters will rise. Since no one plans on not having babies for the next 25 years we're running out trek
>>19755 I never understood this school of thought.
We have erased entire pacific atoll islands with hydrogen bombs that burned hotter than the sun and strip mined entire mountain chains until they are nothing but pies of tailings, but somehow it's too hard to imagine that mankind has permanently altered the climate to the detriment of most or all life on Earth? I call bullshit.
>>19762 I'd argue that simply destroying a few atolls while creating a bunch of unnatural radioisotopes is enough to change the climate, if even subtly. That's on top of everything else humans are doing, like 150 years of burning filthy dirty fuels like coal and oil.
>>19781 No, that's just more of the bullshit that the science denialists on /pol/ and elsewhere like to say. It's completely false. 2015 was the warmest year on record. Second warmest was 2014. Because of year-to-year variation they usually go by 15-year periods, and the last 15 years have been much warmer than previous 15-year spans. There hasn't been any pause in warming, it's just something denialists like to lie about when they've been called out on all their other bullshit
Ya gonna lie there little fella try not to use something so easy to prove false. A trip to the library and / or a little digging on the net into record keeping sources from all over the world quickly gives evidence you lie or just act as a idiot drone who repeats propaganda supporting scams to make billionaires and governments richer from charging the poorest more for the basics like food, clothing, and shelter
>>19763 " like 150 years of burning filthy dirty fuels like coal and oil. "
That would be removing pollution from underground that threatens underground water supplies and destroying it in a way that is beneficial to all mankind. a.k.a. recycling
Instead we should dig huge pits removing thousands oh tons of material for a few pounds of rare earth metals needed for solar panels, computer chips, and super efficient batteries?????? Instead we should put two complete motors, transmissions, and fuel tanks in every car a.k.a. hybrid vehicle?????
>>19802 Rare earth metals actually aren't that hard to get at. China just kind of has the market cornered on it. They have a fuck ton of it that they can extract for super cheap with out restriction. In a properly regulated environment, rare earths could be mined in a "sustainable" manner for quite a while
>>19811 That makes sense. China will strip mine millions of acres turning them into deserts just so the rich can drive battery powered cars and have solar arrays. Much better than drilling a hole and sucking out gas or oil easily converted to fuel with very little environmental impact. Lets just kill off the largest land mass on the planet first and the west will be fine?
It's quite astonishing how people freezing their asses of an an area of the world having record breaking cold temps not seen for over 50 years will still spit out that the planet is suffering massive global warming with record high temps never seen before.
Faith in religious leaders = faith in government = faith in government / religion approved science.
People want to believe. The bigger and more outrageously obvious the lie the harder they fall.
>>19849 >It's quite astonishing that a small part of the world experiencing temporary cold during the winter doesn't disprove the long-term trend of warming over the globe as a whole it's actually not that astonishing but okay
>>19856 Prove to me that this is the warmest the planet has ever been since it was created. Ya can't. Why? Because there were no people there to cause global warming and temps were much hotter. How do we know? Those same scientists you worship like gods for saying one thing say this also.
>>19858 >warmest year on record >on record I have literally never met a science denialist that had any reading comprehension skills. I guess if you knew how to read you would actually do research and no longer claim that science is fake
>>19879 So the science of geology is not a real science. The geologic record of the earths climate does not exist? Shit this whole global warming theory started off by reading tree ring data both wood and fossilized. Are you really so limited in intellect that you only acknowledge science you agree with. Good thing you believe in gravity don't want to float off the planet.
Those countries are willing to change, but they are developing. How are they going to go from copying the west's industrial revolution one second to developing technologies of the future the next.
If our politicians were smart they would fund state backed renewables projects - the services of which we could sell to china and india. Instead we cut funding for renewables and get the Chinese to build our nuclear power stations, which we were capable of building long ago, but lost the skills to do because we cut funding.
>>19918 Massive pollution in china replacing clean plants in the western nations. Why? Pure greed. Who? the rich and their paid for friends in government. Ya don't get a great price on an i-phone because its made in china. You pay a premium price for it. I mean come on everyone loves apple and no one really wants to see how they make the sausage. The working conditions, living conditions, poisonous chemical exposure and toxic waste pollution is a real life modern day horror story. They have one plant complex with 400,000 workers. Can you tell me one single western nation whose citizens would not sell their souls to the devil for 400,000 new jobs.
>>19813 It's threads like these that make me cry for our future. In 12months I will be a qualified geology graduate, and everyday I see my lecturers look a little more frustrated, a little more annoyed...... And a little more dead to the world.
Because "no one listens to the geologist until it's too late, and then everything is always our fault".
Yep. I'm going to hate my life I guess.
By the way, human driven climate change is called global warming because we're releasing CO2 absorbed by flora over 300 million years and thus increasing our CO2 ppm from ~200 to ~400 since the industrial revolution. Yes, everyone's right..... Climate has always changed, yes it's normally a natural process. In the past the earth was quite a lot warmer, thanks to the rise of plants it cooled down. Now we're burning those plants (coal) and undoing the process. Yes it's a natural process, no it has never occurred at the current rate outside of mass extinction events...... We are in a mass extinction event currently, and it's all due to Humans burning shit.
Just wait until the ice sheets melt and release all the hydrogen, then we get to see some REAL heating up. Oh boy! Especially when they raise the acidity of the oceans and kill everything in the local environments.
>>19938 We are in a mass extinction. It's not all due to global warming, it's just humans in general. Hunting, habitat destruction, etc. But over the last few hundred years, species are going extinct at a faster rate than any time since the Dinosaurs died 65+ million years ago.
>Global warming >no net change of global temps in last 19 years, even though these last 19 years have seen an explosion in cars on the road, industry expansion, and CO2 output >the "95% of scientists agree" is an outright lie >there's been no concrete evidence linking human activity to the Earth's temperature
>>19752 And do you know what caused those? Of course not, because you've never actually bothered to research any of this, you just regurgitate small bits of information out of context in an attempt to make yourself feel superior.
>>19755 We pretty much have. The only change that would cause higher temps has been manmade emissions of GHGs. Volcanic activity, solar activity, axial tilt, etc haven't changed in any way that would cause the current warming. The denial is just based on an assumption that "humans can't affect anything because humans are just human, and the world is really big" which logically makes no fucking sense
>>20294 And what makes you think they decide it just because? What makes you think they don't analyze it first and contrast their data? You're making it sound like they gather in a room, smoke some blunts and start spewing bullshit.
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