>Nearly 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump, while a small number, or 14 percent, of Republicans claim they'd vote for Clinton. When those groups were further broken down, a far higher percentage of the crossover Democrats contend they are "100 percent sure" of switching than the Republicans.
>When the firmed showed respondents the Trump ad, and assessed their responses to each moment of it, it found "the primary messages of Trump's ad resonated more than Democratic elites would hope."
>About 25 percent of Democrats "agree completely" that it raises some good point, with an additional 19 percent agreeing at least "somewhat."
>Mercury CEO Ron Howard, a Democrat whose firm works for candidates in both parties and corporate clients, concedes, "We expected Trump's first campaign spot to strongly appeal to Republican Trump supporters, with little impact – or in fact negative impact – on Democratic or independent voters."
>He continues, "The challenge to Hillary, if Trump is the nominee and pivots to the center in the general election as a problem-solving, independent-minded, successful 'get it done' businessman is that Democrats will no longer be able to count on his personality and outrageous sound bites to disqualify him in the voters' minds."
It hasn't even begun.
Hillary has no base. Not even Democrats like her outside of the people that will vote for a flaming bag of dog shit with a D next to it.
The moment the nominees are chosen is the second that the entire election changes and the bottom falls out of the Democrat voting base, as Donald Trump, who's been sucking away at the traditional blue collar voting base of the Democrats, pulls out every knife marked "Clinton" he has in his gigantic Italian marble toolshed.
40 years of scandals
40 years of lies
40 years of deaths
40 years of sexual abuse
All trotted out neatly by a smiling Trump to disgust each and every delusional Democrat that buys into the public persona of Hillary and Bill Clinton.
It's gonna be so great, I really can't wait for the global anguish over dragging out all their dirty laundry.
The GOP rigged the primaries to heavily favor the front runner in the deluded notion they could force Yeb upon the rest of the party, which is hilariously blowing up in their faces because it grants Donald Trump an overwhelming advantage on top of his already overwhelming advantages.
It's seriously over, especially with the New Years Muslim rapes, and the attempted execution of a Philly cop by an ISIS sympathizer.
It's so over that your denial borders on straight up delusion.
Hillary Clinton does not have 1/1000th the political skill that Bill once had, and Bill is old now. If they backed down over Trump just threatening to drag out their terribly history then they seriously have no way to stop it.
It's so over for them, and anyone who pretends otherwise please please please bet me a large sum of money on this election so I can ruin your week.
Hillary was already faced with all that in 1998. She ended up more popular than ever. It's hilarious that you idiots seem to think Whitewater is going to stick today when it didn't even stick in the 90s when it was recent.
>Hillary Clinton does not have 1/1000th the political skill that Bill once had
The "skill" belonged to the Clinonistas that ran their campaign, like Carville and Stephanopolis, both of whom are still there.
1998 was almost 20 years ago. Nobody gives a shit what anyone thought 2 decades ago, and she wasn't running for President back then. Not only that, but if JFK Jr didn't "suddenly" drop dead she would have never EVER won the NY state senate seat that was gifted to her either.
If you try and convince people something along of the lines of, "Ugh, I mean, come on! This is old news! Everyone agreed that she was popular and everything is fine in the 90's! Why are you suggesting otherwise 18 years later just because she's running for president??? Did I mention that everyone smart agrees that it was totally okay and please dear god stop thinking about it?"
Seriously pathetic dude, the Clintons can't hide anymore, and Bill's presidency was a long time ago, and if he's smart he won't even think of risking his legacy by challenging Trump, because all that nasty shit Bill's done will come flying out of his big fat mouth for everyone in the world to hear about, so don't think of Bill Clinton being an asset in any regard.
Serious delusion going on, my man, just accept the political reckoning of the Clintons that's in the works, and realize that every single shred of corruption, lies, deaths, and sexual abuse will be BLASTED out into the media 24/7 by the human megaphone that is Donald Trump. So if you want to pretend like Hillary will have anything close to a majority support after all is said and done, then you're just flat out brain damaged, probably from too much anime.
Okay junior. inb4 Mena Arkansas all over again.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything and now you're just spouting GOP talking points. We will see very soon after the primaries start.
This is the best thread on /news/ by the way.
I'm not spouting anything, this is my own opinion based on the mood of the country and the contrasts, strengths and weaknesses of both Trump and Hillary.
If you think he won't be the guy who suggests that Bill is a pedophile for his close ties with Jeffery Epstein, or will bring up some of the women (who support Trump FYI) that Bill victimized and Hillary helped destroy, then I don't think you have a full grasp on what Trump is capable of doing and how miserably weak Hillary is as both a person and a candidate.
I absolutely cannot envision a means for a Hillary victory that doesn't involve assassination right now, it's just not in the cards unless something big changes, and right now all the big changes are monstrously in Trump's favor.
Oh, and some more emails came out recently and it turns out Hillary lied under oath about not knowing about classified information being sent on her server, because she told someone to remove the classifed heading for an email so they could send it to her privately. Oops, was that wrong?
Surely Trump won't mention the massive security risk that Hillary represents for her willingness to send *thousands* of secret information off her private server kept securely behind a screen door at her house.
Sander's whole purpose is to funnel votes to Hillary. He'll drop out soon with some message like "I'm sorry I failed you, but don't let Trump take office!" He lays down like a dog when met with opposition and the DNC is ready to crown Hillary.
Bernie only has a chance of getting in the White house if Hillary absorbs him as a VP.
Bernie has dropped dead over every single issue he could have pressed to win support that I'm positive he doesn't want to win.
I don't think he's trying to help Hillary, but more likely he's just trying to push socialism as a platform in the US, and lots of people are buying, so watch how a real life socialist movement starts in the US from the colleges up in the near future. I don't know if it's ever going to win anything, but it's happening.
Trump and Hillary are already entering a sort of Cold War.
Bernie supporters are more anti-Trump than they are Pro-Bernie.
Any time it's Bernie vs. Hillary the battle is like that of a tick eating bird versus a Hippo. He's simply not willing to bite her and he doesn't have even a margin of grit. Got pushed off his own podium. I can't imagine him trying to talk to Putin or Assad whit out seeing him apologize.
Bernie appeals to college aged kids who are just starting to resent the ultra PC leash on their necks, They'll be gloated into voting Hillary, but be left with a foul taste in their mouths, when they realize she doesn't give two shits about them.
If Trump wins and is successful, they'll form the base of the DNC after 8 years of Trump. That is unless they come around to Trump.
I think Trump will capture a significant amount of those votes. Let's not say a majority, but maybe 20-30%, which, on top of his blue collar Democrat support, would put the Democrat party as a national institution on life support. I mean, Bernie himself set the stage for that by comparing his platform to Trump's, so when he fails he already set them up to transition to Trump as a plan B.
If things went well for Trump I could see him walking away from this election with at least 65%, more if something bad comes out about Hillary, and I mean bad bad, like her actually being in terrible health or something, which I think is going to happen because Trump talks about his good health, strength and stamina every 5 minutes, so he's definitely reinforcing something that he knows is going to devastate Hillary in comparison.
I mean, nobody is going to vote for her if she turns out to be a major security risk that's on the verge of death. If that happened then would anyone but STRONK WOMYN vote for her? I doubt it.
American citizens being brutally murdered during a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 while our elected officials sleep through the attack and then lie straight to the faces of not only the families of the victims, but the American people, is not a problem, yes anon, you are correct.
The only people concerned about the willful disregard for the lives of our citizens are just far right wing extremist bigot sexist white cis male NRA Gamergaters.
It's always okay when we do it, after all. Oh, what's that? An anti-war mom who lost her son in Iraq is standing in front of the white house demanding answers from George Bush? Oh boy, rev up those news cycles!
Oh fug, the father of one of the murdered Americans demands answers from Hillary and Obama? Yawn, that's not news, why don't you GOP thugs get a life? It's because she's a woman isn't it? Sexist.
Kill yourself you spineless cuck.
Oh right, people are only supposed to care when we're told to care.
If it's not getting 24/7 news coverage then nobody cares, why are you even talking about it because nobody cares? Just shut up and talk about what we're talking about because all that other stuff isn't important.
Oh so what that both our sitting president and secretary of state lied to the people they represent for their own political gains, and then accused the families of the butchered Americans of lying about what they said to their faces. Who cares, so what? It's not an issue, just stop talking about it.
Oh, and don't bother reading any of the emails Hillary sent to Ben Affleck via her private server, while she ignored Benghazi's requests for additional security, she's a woman and she tries her best, you misogynist. If you expect competency and responsibility from your leaders then lol get a life, it's 2016, come on.
Reading this comment is amazing, like the gift of stupidity that keeps on giving. Keep getting your tits in a twist, it's entertaining.
IT'S A COVER UP!!! THE EMAIL ACCOUNTS OF SHILLARY!!!
By saying one thing happened when another thing happened, that's literally the definition of a cover up, anon.
Oh, and enjoy the latest batch of emails that reveal Hillary lied under oath to both a federal judge and the congress of the United States.
Yes, they're guilty of failing that embassy and should suffer whatever consequences are appropriate, especially for lying about what happened.
I mean, that's just a fact because it happened.
I'm not sure where you're going with this.
Honestly kids, i m not even american but this election is a huge joke where all candidates are either plain liiberal garbage or just too good to be real.
I honestly hope bernie wins so he fucks up america so good that all companies move HQ south for cheaper taxes and labor.
If you are not american you should deffinatelly shill for bernie the cuck, he is litterally Dilma usa edition.
A lot of women don't even like Hillary because they feel like they are being pandered to. Hillary is such a diengenious sterile manufactured candidate.
Hillary has been trained in the arts of Bill Clinton's election. Thats why she feels like a early 2000's candidate. Sterile, politically correct and with no flavor. She's is Bill with none of the charisma.
Right now she's trying to give the appearance of giving Trump the cold shoulder. In reality she's being briefed daily on how to go head-to-head with Trump. He handlers have given her direct orders to not engage Trump on his own turf. Her handlers know if she doesn't change up her game Trump will slaughter her. She only has the ability to grand stand and appeal to emotion, Trump will cut through that like a hedge trimmer though toothpicks.
No one is even bothering to formulate a strategy against Bernie. His whole purpose is to be a balm to sooth OCCUPY type young people. Hillary is backed be all the multi-billion dollar corporations Bernie should be against, yet he doesn't say a goddamn thing about.
I'd like Bernie if I wasn't convinced that he's a literal smoke screen in human form.
Outside of the /pol/ bubbleworld you live in where Hillary isn't the leading democrat candidate, democrats are going to vote for her if she's the nominee because she's still better than anything the GOP could come up with.
Trump isn't going to make it through the convention and Hillary might as well be inaugurated now so that it saves the money from the canceled election to offset the tax increases.
Bernie's doing a pretty shitty job if he's only in the race to moderate people, because then all of a sudden Hillary is set to assume a base of socialists, and someone like Trump can go ahead and wonder out loud if Hillary is a socialist too, or whatever.
Either way she's finished, there's no defense against Trump aside from maybe Bill Clinton 20 years ago, but he won't come out and risk what he has now that Trump made it clear he has no issues dumping the sewage of the Clinton legacy over his head, and I think he rather likes being respected, so he'll vanish off the campaign trail sooner rather than later.
Hillary will be left to die on her own like she deserves.
>democrats are going to vote for her if she's the nominee because she's still better than anything the GOP could come up with
Oh that slaps me on the knee.
Trump stole all the former Democrat campaign positions from the party, and with it will come those voters too. It's fucking done, Hillary has nothing, and if she survives long enough to make it to the election, prior she doesn't go to jail beforehand, she's going to get one of the most pathetic electoral takeaways in modern history.
Can you not read?
No I can read, I just can't stop laughing at all the Hillary demonizing.
The best part is that you guys seem to think Reince Priebus is somehow going to allow Trump to be the GOP nominee. Talk about a knee-slapper...
A wise man once said that the worst person to rule a country is someone who wants to. besides Bernie, any of the other candidates deserve to be shot the second they are sworn in. honestly I think that they should look for new people since both dem. and rep. have incompetent assholes running for prez.
All these Hillary things are facts dude, nothing here is based in fantasy aside from you, and what I actually said was that Trump will IMPLY she's a socialist because of Bernie, you illiterate fuck.
Reince Priebus doesn't decide shit either. The GOP fuckups already rigged their game in 2014 to support the front runner who they assumed would be Jeb, and now it's Trump and they can't do a thing about it because they're spineless cowards who can't make a decision to zip up their fly without 5 million dollars in polling.
Trump is probably the most competent person that's run for office in the last several decades, and stands to lose the most should he fail via lost businesses or the damaging of his brand, which constitutes most of his net worth.
Trump also said back in the 80's he would only run for President if things got so bad that he would need to run just to save the country, and here we are on the cliff of roughly a dozen different disasters facing the country that could real life destroy it, and Trump is here running.
Say what you want, but I don't think a single other guy out there can do the things he can do, and he's already proved it by running the best and most improbably bulletproof turnaround political campaign I've ever seen in my life.
>All these Hillary things are facts dude,
Yeah they were all facts that were debunked in 1999 by Kenneth Starr, and the rest were debunked under recent congressional testimony by the Benghazi committee, which found nothing.
Really it's the same judicialwatch tier shit that's been around since 1995. The GOP is like a comic who never comes up with new material and just repeats the same comedy routine over and over in front of different audiences, hoping none of them remember it from last time.
>Reince Priebus doesn't decide shit either. The GOP fuckups already rigged their game in 2014 to support the front runner who they assumed would be Jeb, and now it's Trump and they can't do a thing about it because they're spineless cowards who can't make a decision to zip up their fly without 5 million dollars in polling.
And with this statement you proved how naive you really are. Reince, as chairman of the GOP, has a lot more power over what happens at the convention than you seem to think. You're ignoring that a month ago he delcared it would be a brokered convention, decidable upon vote of the party chair (meaning Reince), thus throwing out the window what they 'agreed' on in 2014. They also agreed in 2014 they weren't going to bring up immigration and then look what happened.
>Hurr durr go back to (board) I have no argument
>Trump isn't going to make it through X
Where have I heard this before? This is literally a Shillary meme, "ignore Trump until he goes away"
The GOP won't have a choice, short of outright assassinating Trump, due to how the GOP is setup. Everyone else is now a watered down version of Trump.
People's continued mantra that "Trump is going to go away, all I have to do is suck my thumb" just keeps on going.
>the rest were debunked under recent congressional testimony by the Benghazi committee
Uh what, they literally caught her lying a gorillion times over the motive of the attacks and the unanswered emails from the Benghazi team. Those hearings weren't a trial, they were fact finding missions for the upcoming FBI case against her, which is nearly rock solid at this point because there are over 1,300 classified emails she tried to destroy, and that's just so far, on top of which they now have a smoking gun of her literally factually actually telling someone to remove the classified header on a mail to send via her private server, which she lied about UNDER OATH, which oh oops is how Bill got impeached.
Also also, you remember all those women who Hillary helped destroy for accusing Bill of rape? Well now some of them are supporting Trump, so I hope you enjoy the show of Donald Trump bringing up Bill Clinton's rape accusers up on stage to discuss how Hillary tried to ruin their lives to keep them quiet.
You don't know anything.
The GOP always has a choice. It's their party, not Trump's. Trump does not run it and until Trump gets over 50% in some /pol/ does not have a majority of the support, meaning a brokered convention is an easy way to make sure he doesn't make it by brokering every other candidate's delegates against Trump.
I've heard it all before, and going back to the 90s too. The difference is that you actually believe the allegations are true as where most Americans know it's a contrived smear campaign/witch hunt. If she actually did 0.001% of the shit you're claiming she would already be in jail by now.
I don't think the GOP is stupid enough to try and pull this. It's effectively suicide. Even if they where, who are they going to put at bat, Ted Cruz? No they won't risk losing any portion losing Trump base.
They tried to groom Carson and to be the silent Trump/Nega-Obama, but Carson tried to Trump bantz and it exploded in his face.
Cruz is a nobody outside of Texas. If they did try to put anyone up at back that isn't Trump it's Ted.
The only hope the GOP has is to run Trump and try to get some hooks in him before he takes the leads.
>916 'likely' voters surveyed
>0.0006274% of enrolled voters
>20% of Democrats likely to cross sides
>14% of Republicans likely to cross sides
>Margin of error 3.5%
Wow these are some meaningless statistics
>Democrats going to jail in a Democrat administration
>Clintons ever having to answer for their crimes
>somehow the front page got me here
>somehow I read this post
>somehow I've been living under a rock and didn't know about these "Muslim rapes"
Just reading it about it now, yes I don't read news that often (because it depreses me tbh and I have poor mental stability) but holy fuck.
It was never a good idea to let them in, let alone males, let women and children refugees in first, anyone can tell you with half a brain.
Dumb shit happening now. Really dumb shit.
I'm a Dem going for Bernie because... well there's nobody else. I wouldn't go for Trump or most other GOP but I'd probably just go third party over Clinton.
Dems continuing to push feminism to the front of their party platform is annoying enough, but Clinton is just taking it to the extreme. She's polling terribly among men, and I imagine most of that 20% are males who are sick of Hillary and her "vote for me because I'm a woman" campaign
The republicans need Romney
The election is all about name recognition, and he is the only person with name recognition that the media hasn't turned into a joke (not implying Trump and Carson are not actual jokes)
Name recognition is why Hillary will win, if she wasn't married to a famous dude she wouldn't have ever been elected to any significant office
Europe will never be peaceful again.
Trump and Bernie have the same platform that address the same problems, just different approaches. Bernie takes a big government, socialist approach, Trump takes a free market approach with emphasis on domestic protectionism.
You would assume Trump would be the natural fallback for a Bernie supporter.
>this election is about name recognition
That's why Jeb is doing so well, right?
This election is about nationalism, immigration, terrorism, and the economy.
Also, Romney already fucking blew it, nobody liked him and he barely even tried to win because he had no idea how. Guy had his shot and blew it bigtime, so get used to the idea of President Trump in the very near future, at this rate.
>Hillary will win
I've heard this so so so so so so so many times, but whenever I point out the 65 gorillion ways she can be absolutely obliterated in the general, nobody can ever seem to point to a single method or means to gather a winning coalition that Hillary can actually mobilize to even anything above a hilariously embarrassing minority of the electorate.
What the fuck is her base? Blacks don't like her, the kids don't like her, blue collar workers are owned by Trump, and even women don't fucking like her outside of the brainless group of "hurr durr she's le womyn", and even those idiots can be scared away thanks to the Muslim rape gangs overseas.
Just tell me how she wins aside from the political equivalent of "it just works". Give me anything to go off of, just a single actual factual method to win the general.
People that think Trump is a joke suffer heavily from cognitive dissonance.
Symptoms include supporting joke candidates like a 74 year old socialist Jew, or a walking she-corpse with 1 foot in the grave and the other in a federal prison.
Honestly, at this point I don't know what is going to keep her out of prison. The FBI can't just sit on a mountain of evidence and not move to indict, and if the DoJ doesn't choose to prosecute then some bad shit will no doubt go down.
I guess we'll find out.
>Wash. Post: Officials Say Clinton "Is Not A Target" Of FBI Probe. The Washington Post reported that government officials said Clinton is "not a target" of the FBI's investigation:
>The inquiry by the FBI is considered preliminary and appears to be focused on ensuring the proper handling of classified material. Officials have said that Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, is not a target.
>The FBI's efforts have included contacting the Denver-based technology firm that helped manage the Clintons' unusual private e-mail system. [The Washington Post, 8/11/15]
>Joint Statement From The Two Inspectors General Of The Intelligence Community States That Only One Of Them Made A Referral And That It Was A Security, Not Criminal, Referral. In a joint statement released July 24, the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community (IG IC) and the Department of State explained that the IG IC -- not both IGs -- had made "a security referral," not a criminal one:
>IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the referral was to notify security officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive that are not in the government's possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral- it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes. The IC IG is statutorily required to refer potential compromises of national security information to the appropriate IC security officials. [Statement from the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community and the Department of State Regarding the Review of Former Secretary Clinton's Emails, 7/24/15]
Why do you do this when we're all on the internet.
Oh boy, I haven't clicked on media matters since George Bush was in office.
I'd forgotten what an insult to your intelligence that rag is.
Exactly how many years can you pass off the extremely tired shtick of "LE REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL AND CRAZY FOX NEWS IS THE DEVIL, by the way let's discuss how wonderful and logical all these liberal democratic positions are because we are by default correct, also if you disagree you are literally Hitler and will be mocked endlessly by people who own Velcro shoes and 7 cats", and not disgust yourself with your total lack of critical thinking or actual applied theories of economics, historical precedent, and basic human decency?
Hang your head in shame.
I think there's something wrong with the polling if 14% of Republicans claim they'd vote for Clinton.
At this point it's in the definition of being Republican to think Obama is the antichrist and Hillary is a demon.
Why can't any Trump supporter explain how Trump will manage to sustain a bomb / bullet / soldier / money centered campaign against ISIS, one that's winnable, and still cut taxes? Without cutting our already threadbare social programs or putting it all on the credit card for the next generation like Reagan, Bush, Bush II...
Repeal Obamacare which I'm pretty sure costs quite a lot.
Defund Planned Parenthood.
Tax chinks and gooks.
Take Syrian oil and sell it?
Also "A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate, followed by an end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad."
I'm not sure if he's gonna get enough money but it's something.
>Repeal Obamacare which I'm pretty sure costs quite a lot.
>Defund Planned Parenthood.
>Tax chinks and gooks.
>Take Syrian oil and sell it?
So, George Bush's plan from the 90s.
I'm not falling for that again.
>threadbare social programs
Obama's expanded every single one of those disgusting welfare programs so much that even immigrants and illegals get them now. On top of which he's had no Republican pushback on his massively expanded spending, so you're "oh boo hoo the social programs" bullshit is just that: bullshit.
Cut the shit out of all government assistance to people who don't need it or are not American citizens first, how about? The only social programs we have to honor is social security, which the people themselves actually pay for, the rest is garbage that solves no problems. Also, Obamacare is a complete disaster and was designed from the ground up to not work and cost a shit ton of money. Blow that pile of garbage up and destroy the monopoly that health insurance companies run so that health care can be affordable again.
Also, Trump's been on and on and on about doing more with less regarding the military, and has no desire to sit in the middle east forever, so more likely than not he'll just engage in a massive strike in all ISIS hot zones to mercilessly cripple them, and then let Russia do the rest, because they actually want to. We're not going to start another endless war over there, we're going to bring our guys home and focus our efforts on domestic issues, that's the whole crux of his campaign.
Because every single one of those sources you quoted is speculative bullshit. The media matters story not only shows that the source of the claim is that discredited US attorney but then goes on to demonstrate how Hillary isn't even the focus of the administrative FBI investigation.
The entire state department is the target of the FBI investigation, you brainless moron. All your pissant little rag does is attack the messenger and not the details of the investigation, the scope of which, or the materials being investigated.
>The entire state department is the target of the FBI investigation,
If you read the articles you would have seen that it's a routine administrative investigation that happens any time there are classified documents involved, as the FBI even said in their press conference.
A routine administrative investigation that's revealed that Hillary Clinton lied under oath and violated the espionage act over 1,000 times sparked by her willful destruction of government property.
Oh okay, no biggie guys, this is just routine.
>All your pissant little rag does is attack the messenger and not the details of the investigation, the scope of which, or the materials being investigated.
No in fact what it does is quote other news articles from The Washington Post, The Washington Examiner, and The Daily Mail.
The point is as the article states:
>Right-wing media are reporting discredited Republican lawyer Joseph diGenova's baseless claim that Democratic presidential candidate and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton committed "numerous federal crimes" with her private email use, failing to note that Clinton is not the target of the FBI's investigation and that the probe is not criminal in nature.
>bomb the shit out of them
>bomb the shit out of them
>bomb the shit out of them
>bomb the shit out of them
>bomb the shit out of them
>bomb the shit out of them
I don't believe it anymore.
>bomb the shit out of them
>bomb the shit out of them
>bomb the shit out of them
It won't work, anon.
>bomb the shit out of them
>bomb the shit out of them
It's never worked.
>bomb the shit out of them
You people keep supporting warhawk politicians and we keep bombing and the terrorists keep coming
>bomb the shit out of them
>bomb the shit out of them
>bomb the shit out of them
It's never going to work.
>bomb the shit out of them
>this time it will! Fuck shitskin freeloaders! President Trump can't be stumped!
>bomb the shit out of them
American money made by Americans goes into Dick Cheney's pocket. You'd rather make the Cheney family rich than let a black person eat.
>bomb the shit out of them
Your anger is killing this country. Take some responsibility for yourself and stop blaming others. Black people aren't holding you back, anon, neither are Syrian refugees. It's your own shitty attitude.
>bomb the shit out of them
I'm not falling for memes, anon. You'll have to come to me with a candidate with substance.
>bomb the shit out of them
Shh, it will be okay.
>bomb the shit out of them
>Hillary Clinton lied under oath and violated the espionage act over 1,000 times
According to whom? Consider the source.
inb4 "i don't care what the source is as long as it demonizes Hillary"
>When the firmed showed respondents the Trump ad, and assessed their responses to each moment of it, it found "the primary messages of Trump's ad resonated more than Democratic elites would hope."
what the fuck kind of study is this even how do they even measure someones response to each moment of the ad? and then they're drawing conclusions from that
sounds like a sneeky tactic by trump to control the media and make it seem like he can convert the dems to reppies ;^)
all memeing aside its a shit study that was used to jump to conclusions for news
>According to whom?
Holy dogshit are you serious? The very act of having classified information on an unsecure server, willful or not, is a direct violation of the espionage act which is super illegal, and she testified before congress on the matter, which requires swearing under oath.
Hi anon, when criminal wrongdoing comes out of an investigatory probe then it becomes a criminal investigation.
1,300+ classified documents being sent unsecurely and the destruction + cover up of said destruction of those same documents is fucking illegal.
You are retarded if you can't work this out using your own brain power, and instead have to rely on some ultra liberal source that crys and moans about "right-wing media", despite the facts of the matter having all of 0 to do with any one source, and can be deduced by doing the political equivalent of adding 2+2.
The documents weren't classified at the time. Grasp at straws all you like. You know as well as I do that she isn't going to jail, the only difference between you and me is that I think she didn't do anything wrong in the first place and you think she's getting away with something.
Dead serious, Anon. There is a reason that this "scandal" is only a thing in conservative circlejerks like FNC or The Daily Caller, and that reason isn't because the media is liberal.
Breaking news: Hilary is a POS and everyone knows it. Trump is too, but he's spent his time in business, where people aren't held to any sort of moral standards.
Hilary is a cancer on the Democratic Party though, I'd happily vote for either of theirs, just so long as she loses.
Oh so he's telling the truth when it suits you but lying when it doesn't.
>The documents weren't classified at the time
Goddamn dude, do you even know how this works or are you literally just regurgitating information you dug up out of the gutter?
Classified information is born classified, and it's the duty of the sender and sendee to denote them as classified and treat them as such. Nothing has to be marked to be classified, because it either is or it isn't, and it's also the sworn duty of the head of the state department, Hillary, to understand what is and is not classified or secret information. If you're actually going to take the position that Hillary didn't realize the information was secret because it didn't say SECRET INFORMATION, at the top, then that is still not only a violation of the espionage act, because ignorance of the law is not a defense against the law, but one of the most astounding acts of complete and total ignorance possible that the only rational behind a defense of her actions is to claim that she is literally a retard and cannot be responsible for her actions.
You are incredibly wrong on this entire thing, and there is absolutely no defense, try as you might, for what Clinton has done at her time in the state department.
>Goddamn dude, do you even know how this works or are you literally just regurgitating information you dug up out of the gutter?
No I just live in the real world.
>Classified information is born classified,
No it isn't.
>Hillary, to understand what is and is not classified or secret information.
She gets to decide what is classified or not in her role as SoS. That's what the Secretary of State does, or one of the things, is handle sensitive diplomatic communications and decide what is appropriate to release in conjunction with the wishes of the administration they serve.
>You are incredibly wrong on this entire thing, and there is absolutely no defense,
That's funny I was just thinking the same about you.
>No it isn't.
Holy shit yes it is, what the fuck is wrong with you? It's either classi-fucking-fied information or it is NOT. There is no middle ground in this subject at all for any reason ever in any unoverse or reality. The government expects their heads of state, and any employee within, to be fully briefed on these issues because they swear an OATH about it before they take office.
>She gets to decide what is classified or not in her role as SoS
FUCKING WHAT? Are you out of your goddamn mind? CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE DECLASSIFIED TO BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. IF LITERALLY ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING IN THE GOVERNMENT DID THIS THEY WOULD BE IN FEDERAL PRISON
I wish I could reach into the internet and punch you in the face right now.
Seriously kill yourself, holy shit.
Media just covers up everything that is going wrong in Europe due to the mudslimes. Nobody cares about mass raping/kiling because that's the fucking plan: to usher in the new era of shitskin.
She's in direct violation of the espionage act at a count of 1,300+ times thus far which automatically disbars her from holding public office, and could see her face 2 years in federal prison, on each count.
People in this thread have put together at least logical hypotheses regard Trump's ability to steal votes away from the Democrats in a manner not seen since Reagan, and goobers like you just make empty statements with no hopes of even a potential theoretical backing because Hillary is the worst Presidential candidate in decades, and has no observable base outside of hardcore Democrats who would vote for a dog in a suit if you told them he was a lifelong Democrat.
At least try. Nobody would even care if you were wrong if you even tried, but guys like you don't try because you have nothing to work with because the people you're trying to elevate are piles of dogshit that you're passing off as roses. Nobody buys it.
Fascism requires collectivism and a "far right", whatever that even is nowadays, platform, whereas many/most of Trump's policies are those traditionally ascribed to the Democrat party, and his platform being individualist, designed not to empower the state, but the individual.
The stunning ignorance on display ITT would be stunning if it wasn't so expected.
Also, Obama and Hillary are the closest things you can find to fascism currently, if you're looking for it, as they run on authoritarian platforms championed by collectivist diktat and tyranny of the majority over the minority, so suck it.
you mean labeling citizens of a certain religion and persecuting them by not letting them travel freely is not fascist enough to you?
that warm tingly feeling you get when Trump says shit like this is how Hitler gained popularity and came to power, dummy.
The Muslim ban is about blocking Muslim immigration/immigrants.
We don't owe anything to non-American citizens.
>le Trump is Hitler maymay
ISIS is literally Hitler nowadays, champ, only worse, because at least the Nazis didn't make sex slavery permissible. If we stand around and elect weaklings like Obama and Hillary then we'll just be victimized by the Islamic Nazis.
I don't think so.
>She's in direct violation of the espionage act at a count of 1,300+ times thus far
Prove it. Oh wait, you can't, because she didn't do that anywhere outside of the right wing media bubbleworld of wishful thinking and confirmation bias.
>(e) whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blue print, plan, map, model, note, or information, relating to the national defence, through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be list, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000, or by imprisonment for not more than two years, or both.
>(d) whoever, lawfully or unlawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blue print, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defence, wilfully communicates or transmits or attempts to communicate or transmit the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
Whoever is paying you isn't getting their money's worth.
>The Muslim ban is about blocking Muslim immigration/immigrants.
that's not what he said when he was explicitly asked about citizens.
Trump is a lot like Obama, completely lacking substance, has no idea what he's talking about, but he tells the white trash (in Turmp's case) who are even dumber than him what it wants to hear.
> GREAT, YUGE! / HOPE, CHANGE!
> "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it!"
what does this even mean? how stupid do you have to be to get excited over these ridiculous promises of an obvious egomaniac? how can you not see being manipulated by a not very bright guy?
He was talking about Muslims that went abroad to terrorist states like Saudi Arabia.
Also, when he talks about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it, he's referring to numerous bits of leverage we hold over Mexico that we can use to coerce them to pay for border security, namely our significant trade deficit via NAFTA, which we would easily threaten to repeal or rework, which would cost them untold billions, and border security would also work in their favor because the cartels get 10000% of their power and money from the US, so a wall would choke out their revenue source and make Mexico safer.
>a not very bright guy
Yeah bro, the billionaire world-recognized personality that's been tapped to discuss fiscal matters by congress on numerous occasions that's currently running the most successful breakaway political campaign since Reagan is just a fucking idiot.
If only he was a smart as me so he could /really/ figure shit out.
If you want to know why he's doing what he's doing, then he wrote a book on it, so spend a few bucks and understand the underlying psychology behind not only his campaign, but in his public persona.
>why can't you just parrot rightwing click bait talking points like the other 5 /pol/lacks ITT
Because this isn't /pol/ and we back up our claims here as I have. Get on my level, pleb.
Everyone ITT has backed up their claims a thousand fold with actual evidence of both wrong doing and the laws that were violated by said wrong doing, while you link to wikipedia and media matters to replace anything resembling a coherent argument or hypothesis, as you completely ignore the gorillion sources dumped by everyone else that basically says "you are fucking wrong and retarded".
No, you've cited a bunch of US code she supposedly broke without providing any evidence she broke them, then you posted the standard batch of right wing hitpieces all based on the already discredited diGenova claims. Look I'm sorry he isn't a justice deparment official but I can't change that.
If you want me to spam the facts again I will
FACT: There Is No Evidence That Clinton Personally Signed Off On A Cable Reducing Security In Benghazi
FACT: The State Department Did Not Watch The Benghazi Attacks Unfold In Real Time
FACT: Hillary Clinton Was Not Unaccounted For During The Attacks, She Was In Continuous Contact With Administration Officials
FACT: Contrary To Conservative Conspiracies, Clinton Missed A Scheduled Benghazi Hearing After Being Injured
FACT: Clinton's "What Difference, At This Point, Does It Make" Comment Was Referring To The Administration's Post-Attack Talking Points, Not Tragic Consequences Of Attack
FACT: Intelligence Community, The Suspected Attackers, And Eyewitnesses All Linked The Inflammatory Anti-Islam Video To The Attacks
FACT: There Is No Proof Clinton's State Department Scrubbed, Altered, Or Covered Up Any Benghazi Documents
FACT: Benghazi Witnesses Spoke To Federal Officials And Congress, And Were Not Blocked From Coming Forward By Clinton
FACT: Contrary To Consevative Media Smears, Clinton Said She Took Responsibility For The Benghazi Attack
FACT: While Conservatives Claimed She Was Silent, Clinton Spoke Extensively About Benghazi Following Attack
FACT: Clinton's Use Of A Personal Email Account Was Legal And Did Not Violate State Department Policy
FACT: Clinton Is Not The Subject Of A Criminal Investigation Over Her Emails
FACT: Clinton Did Not Receive Any Emails Labeled As "Classified" Or "Top Secret" At The Time They Were Sent
FACT:Clinton's Use Of A Private Server Did Not Raise Additional Questions About The Retroactive Classification Of Her Emails
FACT: Conservative Comparisons Of Clinton To Petraeus Ignore The Fact That Unlike Petraeus, There's No Evidence Clinton Knowingly Emailed Classified Information
FACT: CIA Says Clinton Did Not Expose Classified Information About Libyan Intelligence Source With Email Contrary To Conservative Claims
>He was talking about Muslims that went abroad to terrorist states like Saudi Arabia.
That's still not what he said. Look it up, I'm lazy.
And do you have any idea how many American expats work in Saudi Arabia? it's a filthy rich country that employs countless Americans and American businesses, also very stable. not at all terrorist state like Iran.
>which would cost them untold billions
And also to the American consumer. To think that Trump is gonna break up trade agreements is just childish. All those agreements were written to benefit the American consumer, as you say there is leverage, and America got its way.
>billionaire world-recognized personality
You omit that he inherited basically what he has now, his clown personality can only impress white trash, it's very cheap showmanship.
Reagan was no breakaway, he was an establishment ideologue and evangelicals hated him (first ever divorced president)
>his public persona
The problem is that he needs to impress not just the white trash, and then he bumps into problems like being publicly schooled by Rubio on foreign policy and not knowing who's been leading Hezbollah since forever and so on. He basically came out and said that he doesn't know anything but he'll hire people to figure it out for him and make everything GR8 and YUGE. That's comical level stupidity, that's an idiot's impression of what a chief executive does. Bit don't worry, no one's gonna let that guy become the GOP nominee.
>All those agreements were written to benefit the American consumer
At the expense of the American worker.
How can Americans consume if they can't work?
The original American dream was to be able to support a family of 5 on a single salary, not to buy a 10 pack of jeans from WalMart for 5 dollars. Who cares about all this cheap junk when nobody has any money?
For the first time in god knows how long, the American middle class is no longer the majority of the country, and there's no upward trajectory on that swing, because wages and employment are dead as dirt thanks to the exportation of traditional jobs, and the importation of cheap labor across the board.
People have no hope anymore because our leaders sold it off to Mexico, Japan, and China, and with those does so goes our wealth, as we do nothing but export our own riches to foreign countries in exchange for basically nothing. There's no future in the system.
>he inherited what he has now.
Trump inherited 50 million dollars in 1999 after he already became a billionaire, and his personality is what built his empire and basically everything he took and grew.
You can not like the guy, nobody cares, but if you pretend like he isn't smart and successful on his own merit, then you're just not using your head.
>He'll hire people to handle stuff he doesn't know about
Wow, you mean delegation, a key aspect to executive success, is something he plans to utilize to fill his administration and cabinet? Color me shocked.
Listen, you can't "delegate" away key strategic thinking and knowing who the fuck your adversaries have been for decades. This is an idiot's excuse for his total ignorance, and it only works with stupid people. How are you even supposed to know whom to pick when a candidate talks like this is got his little foreign policy knowledge from Sunday shows?
Final point: you're just wasting your time apologizing for a moron and trying to rationalize his bullshit like he's your cult leader.
He's what's gonna happen: Rubio is gonna destroy Clinton in 2016, and you're gonna regret wasting all this precious time trying to rationalize a YUGE narcissistic mental LOSER's bullshit.
I'm not electing wikipedia to the presidency. If anyone is going to act like a piece of trivia information that take a total of 30 seconds to explain and understand as any sort of meaningful litmus test to literally anything is really reaching,
If you want to talk about people not voting for other people, then Rubio is going to have a hell of a hard time on that fact given his complete support for amnesty and higher immigration quotas.
Wanna know why he hasn't caught fire when people do everything to talk as if he has? Because nobody's going to vote for him aside from the 1/5 of GOP voters remaining that aren't furious about immigration
An executive seat is 50% delegation and 50% decision making.
You delegate responsibilities to people that are extremely knowledgeable in those fields to get the best job done, and then you have them bring back all the relevant information to you so that you can make decisions on important matters. That's entirely it.
Rubio has nothing, he can't even get a majority support in his home state, which is really embarrassing, frankly. Nobody is going to forget or forgive him for his amnesty positions, and anyone that argues against that fact is just in total denial as to the reality of the race right now.
When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume Authority over a health care reform.
Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn't even get a vote in a Democratic controlled congress.
This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.
Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general.
Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood - both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration.
Next she chose Janet Reno - husband Bill described her selection as "my worst mistake."
Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.
Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the Head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier's radical views, Her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.
Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations.
She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department.
Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.
Many younger votes will have no knowledge of "Travelgate." Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson - and the White House Travel Office refused to comply.
She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired.
This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a Thirty-six month investigation.
Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds.
A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.
Look dude, you don't have to like Donald Trump or anything, nobody really cares about any personal attachments to public figures, but to imply that one of our world renowned billionaire businessmen that built a Manhattan real estate empire from the ground up, has appeared multiple times in front of congress to discus the state of the economy and our financial dealings, and is currently running the most unprobably successful bids for the presidency since whenever, is in any way not a total genius in his own right, then you're just being extremely disingenuous to both yourself, and the guy's history.
I also don't see a lot of rednecks riding around in Rolls Royce on the way to take a dump in their bathroom carved from Italian marble by the reanimated corpse of da Vinci.
Also, if you want to see Hillary taken down in the most embarrassingly brutal method humanly possible that will ruin her reputation for the rest of eternity, then Trump is your guy. You know all those family members Trump brought on stage who had kids murdered by illegal immigrants? Just imagine him bringing all of Bill's rape victims up on stage to cry about how Hillary tried to ruing their lives. It's gonna be so horrible that I have a raging erection just thinking about it, and have to go jerk it to some chinese girls cartoons immediately.
> a total genius in his own right, then you're just being extremely disingenuous to both yourself, and the guy's history.
Go pump your cock off in front of someone else, junior, I heard the same shit about Michael Dukakis. Trump is foul and vile to listen to. I don't respect him at all, global leaders will respect him less, and I absolutely will not vote for such a disgusting person.
Whatever dude, I'm not one of the people that thinks total morons just someone get lucky and achieve a level of success above and beyond 98% of people, because I don't live in a fantasy land.
If you're falling for her public persona then you're just getting gamed, and if you think global leaders won't be kissing his ass in private and public then you're out of your mind, because if the guy is only good at 1 single thing in the world, it's the interpersonal skills required for skillful negotiation.
He wrote a book about exactly this, so I don't know why people think that everything he's putting out there isn't a part of the same schemes he's used to propel himself through the business world, which is probably made up of total morons because they do the same things in a wildly less successful manner, right?
Biden could have prevented all of this.
>Rubio: Roughed up
What could have been.
What it takes to run a country and run a business are two different things. That's what Trump and his supporters don't understand. It's a very different skill set. Saying you run the country because you're the president is like saying you run the ocean because you have a really big boat.
>What it takes to run a country and run a business are two different things
Sit here and explain why 4 decades as the chief EXECUTIVE officer of a world famous billion dollar company and major media personality doesn't grant you the managerial and decision making experience necessary to run a country.
You can sit here and poo poo literally any experience someone has because that experience doesn't translate 100% perfectly to running a country, but unless someone that's run a country is currently running for office then nobody else is more qualified, unless you act like the politicos that don't have to be good at anything but being reelected are somehow more qualified than anyone else on the planet.
It's just a lack of logic at work here. The president needs to be an excellent decision maker, great at delegation, and able to relate openly and honestly with the American people, that's basically it, and that's Trump.
Oh but bloo bloo I don't like Trump so he's not qualified, but all these immensely less qualified people are more qualified because they aren't Trump and he's not qualified which makes them qualified because did I mention I don't like Trump?
Because when you're the president you can't just do whatever the fuck you want! Because the buck doesn't stop with you, you have so many bosses to answer to your head would spin! It's not like your job as shift manager at McDonald's, there are real choices to make where people die, and after all that, you can't just be like "hngggg I need to maximize shareholder value" because running a country is a lot more complicated than that. You can't fuck up. You can't go bankrupt like Trump has four times and then just say oh well, let me borrow money from dad. You can't just spin off or sell an underperforming part of the organization. You can't always fire people you don't like even when they objectively suck, and you can't hire people you think are the best.
And you can't run around calling people names and saying a former first lady was getting schlonged! I don't know how to tell you this, but if President Trump pops off with the "straight talk" about Chérie Blair or whoever, chances are he's going to hurt our ability to make deals and leverage old agreements because prime ministers and presidents would have an awfully hard time selling an alliance with a country whose president can't keep his fucking tongue in his mouth.
D I P L O M A C Y
Is actually really important. People deal with Trump because he has something they want and for no other reason. In global politics, you're going to need a lot more than that.
None of this is correct.
Not only does the executive branch have the most power in all of US history currently, but the actual term regarding the chair of the Presidency is that "the buck stops here", because even if it's not your fault the public holds you responsible. Yes, he needs to answer to the American people who are his bosses, but when it comes to the government he's the boss, because he's the decider who makes the final call, and you can look at maximizing your shareholding value is a gorillion ways that don't include money. As a business minded individual the dividends you're expected to return just take a different form, like the upholding and enforcement of the law, public safety, the health of the economy, and what have you, it's a direct comparison that just masquerades under a different guise. Running a country clearly has it's own challenges, but to say it's incomparable to running a country is just deluded, because you're imparted the same responsibilities, just under a different scale, and if you're a shitty executive then your company goes under.
>You can't go bankrupt like Trump
Filing a chapter 11 bankruptcy for 4 out his hundreds of businesses is literally such a lot of nothing that I'm astounded that people keep bringing it up, namely those illiterate to big business.
>You can't just spin off or sell an underperforming part of the organization. You can't always fire people you don't like even when they objectively suck, and you can't hire people you think are the best.
Absolute delusion. He can force congress to pass a good budget that funds and cuts various things that work or don't, and 95% of his job is to hire people to staff federal organizations, so it sounds like you just have no idea what the President actually does.
Trump will be the best Diplomat since god knows when, because his single greatest skillset is that of a master negotiator, which is exactly what diplomacy is, & he's the best in the world.
>He can force congress to pass a good budget that funds and cuts various things that work or don't, and 95% of his job is to hire people to staff federal organizations, so it sounds like you just have no idea what the President actually does.
Not the person you're responding to, but the president does not have this power. He cannot "force Congress" to do anything, and all of his appointments have to be approved by the same Congress.
I never understood why people seem to think the government should be run like a multinational corporation. The government should not have a profit motive, and some would argue that if there is a budget surplus left at the end of the fiscal term then it should be spent on the populace, not horded away earning interest in some Federal Reserve account.
I'm a /pol/ veteran of many many years, too many that I prefer not to count.
I came here randomly today, to see how intelligent /news/ is.
Holy shit, fucking die, almost all of you.
People here -unironically- literally supporting Hillary Corruption Clinton as POTUS.
People here -unironically- saying muh comedian muh joke about God Emperor Trump.
Is this what the rest of the internet is like?
Fucking glad I've stayed away.
He can force congress to negotiate with him and make better deals on the budgets they pass, which is what basically every president does, and thanks to Obama anyone can push through appointees in the dead of night without congressional approval.
Oh gee anon, hundreds of successful business ventures just don't matter because 4 of them didn't work out.
I wasn't aware that literally every single thing you ever do in your entire life has to be 1000% successfully bulletproof so that dummies wouldn't get a chance to glaze over decades of success to focus on a handful of failures.
Everyone on the planet might as well just kill themselves right now because they don't meet anonymous' random standards that surely will never ever apply to himself.
It's the same thing, really, you just have to look at profit not just in terms of actual money, which by the way us being in 21 trillion dollarydoos of debt is a disaster that needs to be fixed before we collapse, but you can also look at profit in more abstract terms and still apply that same profit seeking mentality.
Example: We have a super shitty employment situation, so someone of a certain mindset can turn that around with various policies and management to see a "profit", of higher employment and wages.
It's a very simple thing, really, it's just taking someone that works, or doesn't, and either making them better or replacing them with something that does work in order to see higher gains or fewer losses in whatever criteria.
If you're not operating in some sort of profit oriented mindset, then you're most likely about to do a really shitty job.
>He can force congress to negotiate with him and make better deals on the budgets they pass,
No president has ever had a budget he sent congress passed by the same congress. That doesn't stop them from submitting one every year though.
So who's your preferred candidate, if everyone else is so stupid, so we can mock them equally.
It's about working with them to make it less bad or more better.
You can utilize the bully pulpit to browbeat congress into doing things if you want, because almost nobody in America likes them and they're a bunch of spineless wimps who want to keep their cushy jobs.
Not all news is corporate, /pol/friend. Pretty much the only unwritten rule here is cite your sources. All I'm saying is that if you've come here to make baseless claims then be prepared for serious criticism, no matter what the topic. Try lurking moar, nobody cares if you are from /pol/ here.
This is supposed to be more of my response but for some reason it's coming up as spam
Also, tell me how having a link "backing up" any particular claim is a method to increase its truth-value
So you want me to back up the claim that I believe trump is the God Emperor?
It's my opinion. This is the difference with pol. It's not a bank of links. It doesn't matter about sourcing because most people don't consider journalists, especially "political commentators" to be any more qualified to have a major media job than anyone else.
The other board is about sharing ideas, and seeing how well these ideas stand up against other ones. If you limit yourself to ideas that can be defended with a link, which for some reason raises its truth value, then don't expect to grow very much in your ideology.
> This is the difference with pol.
Agreed on most points. This board isn't supposed not be about partisan ideology, it's supposed to be about what's going on in the world and actual journalism. It's just election season and it creeps into everything. That and the internet clickbait part of the media is in a golden age right now.
But anon, we have a duty to all the illegals that come here and dump their 50 kids into our school systems, hospitals and transportation networks.
Won't somebody please think of the children?
>But anon, we have a duty to all the illegals that come here and dump their 50 kids into our school systems, hospitals and transportation networks.
That doesn't happen. They aren't allowed to apply for social services anywhere except for California, and even there they are likely to be rounded up by ICE if they apply.
They're still born in and treated in our hospitals, go to our schools, use our roads, ride on our trans and busses, and take up space and resources in god knows how many other ways.
Just because the government isn't handing them money, doesn't mean they aren't costing us money.
Tons of hospitals in the border states and CA have shut down because illegals come in to have babies or get treatment, and then just walk out without paying bills, crushing the hospital under debt and ruining it for the rest of the people, but oh it's everyone else's fault that health care is so expensive and shitty. Maybe stop taking care of however many tens of millions of illegals and ship their asses down to Mexico so that Americans don't have to subsidize their legions of 65 IQ children at the expense of their own.
>They're still born in and treated in our hospitals, go to our schools, use our roads, ride on our trans and busses, and take up space and resources in god knows how many other ways.
And they pay taxes that they never collect, or if they're really off the books, they get low enough wages where you more than make that money back at the supermarket. Illegal labor costs us nothing, anon, stop believing conservative lies. If you sent all the wetbacks home prices at the supermarket would go through the roof.
Those people in Mississippi have been here for hundreds of years with blood that fought for and built this country, and a bunch of illiterate Mexicans just walked across the border and started pumping out kids to destroy their wages and way of life.
Why don't you go to Mexico if you love those little fucks so much.
Those people in Mississippi would rather sit on their redneck asses and collect a welfare check than get out in the fields and do work. First you had cotton picking slaves, and when you lost those, you got illegal Mexicans, ten with the same social security number paying in all that tax money you're collecting.
Go ahead, send them all home, let the lettuce rot in the fields and let a few farms go under because lazy fucking rednecks won't work.
>If you sent all the wetbacks home prices at the supermarket would go through the roof.
Oh Jesus no, you mean if we kicked out our illegal slave labor I would have to pay 10 cents more for my almonds?
Oh lordy loo the world will surely end, and we have to protect our ability to buy cheap garbage by slashing wages and putting people out of jobs because they can't compete with Juan and his 6 cousins that will work under the table for cash.
Yes goy, we need more cheap immigrants to make sure that nobody under a certain wage level can ever make it out of poverty because they have no means to compete, and then let's make the minimum wage $15 so that even more people will be out of a job, because it's only fair, and makes perfect sense.
Oh what? You mean more DREAMERS want to come here and work for peanuts? Oh vey, of course they can come in and put more Americans out of work, what are you, racist??? Also we need more money now to support these hard working immigrants and all the people they put out of work, so pay up, because it's only fair. Oh and ignore the tons of illicit drugs coming from south of the border and ruining generations of Americans, it would be racist to institute border security and safeguard both our lives and our economy, because I am literally retarded and hate things that make sense.
So end welfare and kick out the slaves so that people will have to work, you know, something like a free market where things fix themselves without a bunch of people with the minds of children interfering constantly to ruin it in new and creative ways, and then insulting the people they ruin with absolutely no thought whatsoever as to exactly what systems are failing them and why, instead let's just ignore it and keep doing the same old thing that's destroying the country from the inside out, because eventually it'll suddenly just work.
The white people actually belong here, and don't pretend like the illegals don't have massive unseen consequences that reverberate all through society.
Literally all our troubles currently are due to the exportation of manufacturing and the importation of low skilled manufacturers, completely eviscerating the Americans that built this country until they were seen as unprofitable and inconvenient.
>Literally all our troubles currently are due to the exportation of manufacturing and the importation of low skilled manufacturers
Who did that? Corporate America did that.
Don't pretend like they were "forced" to, it was entirely for a few extra cents per share for that particular fiscal quarter's earnings report.
>completely eviscerating the Americans that built this country until they were seen as unprofitable and inconvenient.
Again, by Corporate America who sold out their own country for profit. These are the people (corporations are people, remember?) who need to be regulated by someone, because leaving them to regulate themselves is the worst possible thing you could do.
Lazy shitty inbred redneck trash doesn't want to work. Low education high religion southerners drain the economy, you fuckstick. Your invisible hand won't be there to jerk you off at night.
States have the power to end illegal immigration. Why don't they? Because if they did, it would crash the national economy and bring American agricultural to its knees.
But as long as you love Jesus and have all your guns, right? Trailer scum.
Kill yourself, my man, those are American citizens that have been here for god knows how long, and if they aren't doing well then it's our responsibility to help them out instead of pretending like they don't exist because people with gigantic egos that think they're better than them hate them for literally no reason in the world.
You just sound like some bitter cunt who doesn't know shit about dick, and would rather dump 50 gorillion people from the 3rd world to pick your cotton until enough of them stick, than ever address the failures within our own country.
It's really disgusting the way people talk about their own countrymen, as if you know any of them. It takes a real piece of shit to be that judgmental and ignorant of people that don't have anything going for them but a bible and whatever gets them through the day, not that I expect anything more from people like you.
That's because we have massive failures on multiple levels of our society that illegals get to sidestep because they basically aren't a part of it.
If we have so many people out of work with no hopes in life, then we need to create incentives to get them working so they can move up and make something out of both themselves and the country. Nobody gives a shit if you bring in some people to work temporarily, but that's just a patch on the problem, and nothing's going to be addressed if you just kick the can down the road and pretend like everything's working out just fine when there's tens of millions of people in destitute poverty with no means of escaping it. We have it within our power to help them out, but we don't because certain people designated them as the perpetual whipping boys to use when it's convenient and abuse when it isn't.
If you just keep letting more and more Americans slip through the cracks, and we're at about 94 million now, then something's obviously extremely wrong and needs to be fixed, or the house will come down, and it will come down hard.
>Corporate America did that.
Uh no, government policies that reversed protectionism did that.
Companies don't just leave for no reason, they do so because it's profitable, and we make it profitable for them by ripping down all our trade protections to the point where America, one of the major manufacturing countries in the world, no longer has any manufacturing jobs, and all those people who worked hard and helped build this country are shit out of luck because there's nowhere for them to go and nothing for them to do and a bunch of no-nothing piss-ants basically spit in their faces over it, or promise them solutions and then give them absolutely nothing, or the opposite, in return.
All this free trade bullshit has ever done for us was bloat the pockets of a small amount of people while killing the rest, and nobody cares about them because the media teaches you to treat and think of them like shit because they don't want you to ever understand the gigantic part of America that we've betrayed to the point where I'm shocked we haven't had some sort of civil war.
This is why Donald Trump is so unstoppable, because he's basically one of the only guys out there who's promised to save them from the rest of us, and that huge chunk of America that's been discarded by the powers that be are going to come out to vote for him in huge numbers, because he's literally their only chance at the American dream that nobody else on the planet is willing or capable of giving them. So we've all made our collective bed, now you get to lie in it, and I expect a lot of people won't enjoy it because they're irrational and won't get to treat certain groups of people like dirt anymore as openly as they used to, which means their fragile little egos won't get a free boost from shitting on the descendants of the men that fought for, died, and built this country with their bare hands.
>government policies that reversed protectionism
Spare me the supply sider sales pitch. It doesn't work. China was granted favorite nation trade status under Papa Bush.
>Companies don't just leave for no reason, they do so because it's profitable,
Stopped reading there. This is exactly the problem with 'the system' and why it can't be left to regulate and police itself. Profit margins shouldn't be trumping nationalism and social responsibility.
>This is why Donald Trump is so unstoppable
lol, he isn't even going to be allowed by the party leadership to make it through the GOP convention so I don't know what you're excited about.
Nothing you just said in any way shape or form did a single thing to even entertain the idea of the notion of the concept of the possibility of the chance of maybe potentially refuting a single thing I just said.
You can blame whoever you want, I don't care, but the fact of the matter is that the government repealed all our protectionist policies and it's killing our country.
>A bloo bloo but they should operate in this country despite it being far less profitable to do so elsewhere because nationalism and public good
Well tough shit, a lot of businesses have to answer to their stock holders, and those businesses will do anything to maximize profit. Wanna change that? Well it's super easy because all you have to do is re-introduce protectionism and it will fix itself eventually.
You can stop reading whenever you like, but that doesn't make you right because you make no sense and just contradict yourself because you want companies to stay here and employ people, but don't want to enact policies that force them to do that, because ______.
Also, Trump is going to crush the field the second voting starts, so please prepare your anus for a devastating reaming, as the GOP has hilariously completely ruined any chance at stopping Trump because they rewrote the rules of the primaries in 2014 to massively favor both the front runner, and the Florida front runner, both of which Trump owns by a huge margin.
There is literally no method to stop him anymore, because the GOP wrote in every Trump favoring rule thinking it would help anyone but Trump.
If you're actually going to deny that then you better pull a shit ton of theories or evidence to the contrary, because there's no brakes on the train anymore.
>Nothing you just said in any way shape or form did a single thing to even entertain the idea of the notion of the concept of the possibility of the chance of maybe potentially refuting a single thing I just said.
It's because you didn't say anything refutable, except that based on some 'unnamed source', the FBI is maybe planning to file charges, maybe. That's pretty much what the same sources have said the entire time and it hasn't happened yet.
Cry more that she isn't going to jail because she didn't do anything wrong, and even more at the fact that your butthurt only brings out more people to vote for her.
I will enjoy watching Trump go down in flames at the convention when none of the delegates are allowed to vote for him.
You would be in the minority. A couple of times in my life (probably before you were born) the weather increased the price of lettuce by cents, and people went mental. Restaurants served spinach instead. Prices went up. Imagine what would happen if you had to pay the real price for groceries? That is, imagine if farm labor had to meet minimum wage standards and working conditions? It would be chaos, anon, I think you know that.
Tough luck, then I guess the market would have to adjust to either accommodate the higher prices or find new methods to lower costs.
Also, if Americans in America were actually the people being employed to do all the shit that we export and import, then that money would be going into our own economy and helping people create and store wealth in their own regards, causing people to yes, pay more, but also to make more, eventually leveling the purchasing power of the dollar to adjust for the price of food and necessities and whatever else. Imagine picking fruit and such actually being an okay paying job for inexperienced and young people that want to make a few bucks, what a fucking thought, right? No, better to send them off to get a 4 year degree with tens of thousands in debt so they can wait tables, and the rest can go on welfare to wallow in the margins of society for as long as their miserable lives permit. Why bother having a working class that can climb the social ladder when you can just bring over tens of millions of stinking 3rd worlders to export their wages back into their shit countries.
But alright, owning slaves is easier because then nothing has to change or get better.
If my choices are Bernie Hillary and Trump, I'm picking Trump.
Democrats had a brief history of being the party of the common folk, which ended when Hillary Clinton was first lady and campaigning for tougher prison sentences. These tougher rules helped make USA home to a quarter of the world's inmates, which suddenly makes sense when you consider that prisons are run for profit here.
Bernie wouldn't survive six months in office. The job of US President ages people at warp speed; if you vote for him then you're voting for his running mate.
I think at this point Hillary could actually get forced out of the race and we could see a major convention fight at the DNC that could lead to Biden swooping in or something, or you know, everything that people have been pretending will happen at the RNC.
>Trump supporters perfectly fine with supporting a racist, sexist, rapist tyrant who is suggesting things that'd send us back to the Bush years
What's it like having no idea how to run a country?