>>910049 Sure it does, extending the NEC from D.C. to Atlanta makes a ton of sense. Of course most people won't ride all the way from Atlanta to Boston but Atlanta to Charlotte and Charlotte to D.C. would be pretty well ridden corridors if you think about it.
Of course it will never happen and if it does we will probably all be dead by the time it breaks ground.
>>910072 They are still working on modernizing their passenger rail regulations and they have been handing out of waivers in the meantime. If Kawasaki can get their shit together then the new Superliners will be the first ultra light passenger cars in the US.
>>910089 There's a ridiculously small amount of freight that still runs on the NEC. The line mostly consists of passenger traffic nowadays.
So this was done three years ago, and it looks like it went alright. Is it just not done yet because it's filled with commuter trains outside of late night? Or are they waiting for the Acela II? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vs1IXGbxG4
>>910177 There has been work in NC and Virginia about increased passenger rail frequency and speed but nothing in those projects shows or predicts any kind of electrification of tracks outside of an extension to Norfolk possibly (but I highly doubt this will happen in the first place).
From DC to Atlanta. Everything still seems to be moving along, all be it painfully slow. Looking at some of the maps in the EIS for D.C. to Richmond is encouraging, though I know Georgia will be the last ones to pull their own heads out of their own asses yet again. This, unless the glorious lead Deal can find a way to make money off the whole thing.
>>910247 >http://www.sehsr.org/ Nothing in any of those studies indicating there will be any electrified track south of Richmond or Hampton. All they are doing in NC, VA, and SC are just some track and crossing work, which Norfolk Southern has fought tooth and nail to prevent from happening, and will fight even harder against electrification of their tracks.
>>910209 You've got it backwards. The ICE services mostly run on normal mixed-use mainlines, which is why they're prone to delays. The only way to do HSR is to it like the Japanese and French did it: by building dedicated corridors.
>>910323 Technically NCDOT is already working on track and crossing upgrades in the Piedmont region between Charlotte and Raleigh. Don't know how VA is doing and I bet Georgia won't put a dime in state dollars towards it (but of course they will beg the feds for 2-4 billion dollars just to replace a single fucking interstate interchange),
The NEC overhaul is happening as we speak. It's just on a 50-year timeline unless individual states pony up the money to make it happen faster. So far, only CT has done that. A huge roadblock was Christie killing the ARC tunnels back in 2011, but Gateway is coming along albeit it's another five years when we could have had better tunnels now.
SEHSR is still technically happening as the respective states involved are still doing the necessary environmental reviews for it. Only issue is that VRE couldn't get a tax increase back in 2010, but CSX is double tracking and deepening their tunnel that goes through southern DC on their own so there's still a net improvement.
If Acela was faster, similar to Japan/France, I think a NY-Chicago route might also be feasible. It's currently one of the most heavily traveled short haul air routes in the US, AKA could be big bucks if Amtrak gets these customers instead.
>>912216 Actually, it is feasible. The deal is, that HSR works so well because high power/weight ratio allows higher gradients. I guess that 5% would be feasible - even if the speed on the most difficult sections would dip to ~160mph.
Besides, you can get a decent corridor from NY to Chicago ( or even Milwaukee ), and build it in sections.
Say - upgrade NEC to its maximum operable speed ( 150+ mph at least ), then branch off from DC to Pittsburgh, Columbus, Indianapolis and Chicago and Milwaukee at 200mph.
Sure - the whole Chicago/NYC would take some time to complete, but you also make an emergent market of connections between major urban centers, so the whole thing would run at capacity anyways.
A good deal of people would choose HSR even from Chicago to NYC just because it is on ground, thus safer and more convinient.
>>912221 >I guess that 5% would be feasible - even if the speed on the most difficult sections would dip to ~160mph. I don't think you read my post. I'm not talking about gradients (although that may be an issue) I talked about the very sharp curves on the mountain pass. Doing anything more than 50mph on these tracks would be extremely dangerous, also the amount of freight that runs on these tracks would pose a serious problem (especially with scheduling).
>upgrade the NEC to it's maximum operation speed Useless. Way too many stops for 150mph to be useful. Curves are too sharp and too close together. You would need to widen the curves (the NEC is very curvy as well) and space out the tracks more because the current trains can't go into full tilt because of it. 150+mph wouldn't be feasible also due to the heavy commuter rail traffic on many portions of the track, especially between Baltimore and NYC. There is a reason why Amtrak has suggested realigning the corridor. The NEC has reached capacity and doing the steps necessary to upgrade the track to those kind of speeds would require well over $100B which they damn sure aren't getting from congress. And it would not do very much to shorten the travel times as you might think.
>Branch off from D.C. to Pittsburgh Why? Electrifying and extending the keystone service from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh would be much easier and cheaper. GL getting NS to agree to that though.
>>912161 >HSR trassib all of my kek. This is absolute bullshit, and will never happen.
You HSR dicksuckers should learn once and for all that HSR makes no fucking sense to go through the middle of nowhere, even less so for days on end. Why the fuck would you spend gazillions in building an HSR line that will still be slower than taking an airplane, and with no intermediate stops to make it useful?
With people like you defending trains they won't need any enemies. Idiot.
HSR done right equals new ROW, new track and new alignments. Which allows for 5% gradient, thus easier passage through mountains.
>Useless. Way too many stops for 150mph to be useful.
Absolutely not. The main long distance services, run, say each 15 minutes @ 150 with slower 125 and below services would trasfer benefits of HSR along nicely. Anyhow - NEC will need to be upgraded and realigned anyways.
Besides - there is not going to be HSR in the US in the next 20 years anyways - there is simply not enough political goodwill to do so. We are talking about "doing it right" :)
> Why? I am just tracing points on the map. HSR, as I said before, is new ROW anyways, thus you can design a complete system from the start.
So, has anyone in this thread actually ridden on the Acela? Whenever I'm traveling between BOS/NYC/PHL I always take the bus or plane, never Amtrak, since it's neither as fast as flying nor as cheap as the bus.
>>912287 I took the Acela from Boston to DC last July. I don't really have much to compare it to as the only other HSR I've ever been on was the Eurostar and I was too young to remember any of it, but it was one of the comfiest travel experiences I've ever had. If you can shell out the cash for it, it's definitely worth it IMO.
Here's the problem with all of these HSR projects that everyone's talking about. They're all way too big. If Amtrak were to instead do it in small, incremental amounts, it would be much more economically feasible. For instance, a lot of people are talking about a NYP-CHI high speed rail line. Currently, the only line that is directly from NYC to Chicago is the Lake Shore Limited, so if Amtrak were to make small, incremental improvements along that route, say, start by electrifying from NYC to Albany (this would also be good, because then Amtrak would have no need for the P32AC-DM's anymore, so they can sell them to NJT and MTA) and then proceeding west towards Chicago. Of course, this is a much longer process, and it would also be a somewhat longer route than just going directly, but it would also be cheaper at the start.
The same can also be done to the south, start at DC (where the electric lines currently end) and go down to, say, Charlotte, then continue on, stopping at major cities until you get to, say, Miami. It may take forever, but eventually you can have all of the US electrified.
>>913510 They're already doing small incremental improvements and no one outside of that one idiot (possibly that Milwaukee Road austist) is seriously suggesting a full on HSR corridor between NYC and Chicago. Amtrak can't install wires over rails which they don't own though so the lines would have to be purchased which would make incremental electrification expensive.
>>910264 North Carolina has ownership of the NC Railroad, and leases it to Norfolk Southern. They can bitch all they want, but it is ultimately up to NC if they want to electrify their tracks. Also worth mentioning that both VA and NC are looking at using the barely used/abandoned CSX S-Line between Raleigh and Petersberg. It would take billions to upgrade, but at least travel times would be shorter, and passenger trains won't have to deal with freight traffic.
>>912216 >tunneling through the mountains just simply isn't an option I didn't used to think that Americans were inherently stupid, but you seem to be trying to prove me wrong.
The Appalachians are a series of mostly parallel folds, especially through Pennsylvania and Virginia, so a set of fairly short tunnels (none longer than a couple of miles) will do the trick. The rest of the time you'd use gaps or existing valleys. You know, a lot like the existing Pennsylvania Turnpike, which follows about the right route. I'd guess you'd be looking at not having too many stops between the Harrisburg area and Pittsburgh, but as long as the stations between are not on the main track, it doesn't matter too much.
The rest of the route is only tricky because of existing land ownership, and that's solvable with money and arm-twisting.
>>918051 It's comfier than an airplane and way comfier than a bus. I took my friend on Amtrak for the first time from NYC to Philly and I guess he was expecting something like the LIRR because he was surprised.
>>910209 I still find mixed lines terrifying. Until they can figure out a good way to get high-speed freight to be a reasonable idea (atleast in the US), I suggest they keep passengers off urban lines, even for low speed passengers.
>>918051 Seats are decent and recline a good amount. In my experience (travelling twice a month for the past 3 years either on NE Regional, Keystone, and occasional Vermonter). If you are leaving from a non-shithole station (read: any station beside NYP) that allows you to queue before the train arrives, you can be one of the first to board and get any seat you want. Numerous times I've had no one sitting next to me the whole trip. Wifi is not great (also doesn't allow video streaming) and there are cellular (3G/4G) deadzones in a lot of places so download your videos beforehand.
Buses suck because you will get stuck in traffic leaving and entering the cities. Bolt says 2HR from PHL to NYP. What a joke. Took 30 minutes just to get out of Philly during an off peak time. Standard tickets on any Amtrak NEC trains excluding Acela are a moderate price. The longer the distance the higher price. Usually no delays but rain/snow storms can cancel and/or delay trains for hours. Overall, it's a good way for travelling the corridor.
>>912243 >the only REAL MURRIKA Is the middle of nowhere Yeah we understand you oxycontin-addicted hillbillies prefer to live thousands of miles from the nearest sign of civilization, but the parts of the US that actually matter happen to be populated.
>>918719 Anon is right. Look at how far trump has gotten. Just goes to show you that the Republican party is what others have suspected for a long time: it's full of racist, backwards thinking idiots that are holding this country back. I'm seriously considering leaving this place for another country if it gets any worse. /rant
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