>>62066658 He criticized several of the points Macklemore made, but he still admitted the song and its overall intent are good. Because he's a mature and reasonable person much unlike the edgy neoreactionaries in this board.
>>62066785 >condemning an anti-white movement that came to fruition with the death of Trayvon (who the forensic evidence shows was the aggressor) and Brown (who the forensic evidence, along with witness accounts of black bystanders, show was the aggressor) is edgy
>>62066975 I don't get it. He tries to pander to 12 year old /pol/tards like this guy >>62066957 yet he's literally dating a black woman who probably thinks all the stuff he's saying on his other channel is retarded. Then he says he supports Macklemore and the white privilege message.
>>62066785 >its overall intent are good >a song trying to cash in on white guilt and make Macklemore feel more accepted within the black rap community >good intentions It's manipulative as fuck. Hes trying to prove how black he is. Its fucking sad and hes perpetuating an intellectually dishonest narrative
I'm gonna use this thread to give my thoughts on the matter because the rest are mostly just anti black circlejerks that are cringier than the song itself.
First off, I'm black (or half black half white, but I look black and am considered black by most people. I consider myself black). I guess that's relevant because the song itself is about black people.
I believe white privilege exists, but I don't think it's cool to shame white people for it. I don't believe in that dumbass "you can't be racist to whites because they're privileged" idea either. So I'm not anti white in the slightest. And I'm not a coon or an Uncle Tom either, before someone says that.
White privilege is just a fact of life, it's not something white people should feel the need to apologise for because the modern white person is not responsible for white privilege. White privilege is a concept that has been in development for generations.
I cringed heavily at Macklemore hitting out at Elvis and shit. Just because a genre was originally started by black people, it doesn't mean that other people of other races can't make it or enjoy it. I do however condone his Iggy diss because Iggy is an Australian who fakes a blaccent and has a completely fake image.
But yeah, white privilege is a really controversial concept, especially here on 4chan which is mostly made up of right wingers who tend to dislike the whole "SJW" thing. But I feel like white privilege isn't an "SJW" thing. It's a concept that, as I stated before, has existed for generations, but the modern Tumblr radical feminists have kind of slaughtered the word. It's now politically correct to kiss up to black people, which is fucking stupid.
>>62067087 >>a song trying to cash in on white guilt and make Macklemore feel more accepted within the black rap community
I kinda feel bad for the guy. He's been around for fucking YEARS in the underground scene busting his ass and making hip-hop. He clearly loves and has great respect for the genre. He comes off as a genuine hip-hop head. He started getting buzz and at first he was getting a decent amount of respect in that underground scene.
But then he released a silly meme song and his rep went down quite a lot.
And then he won a Grammy over one of the greatest hip-hop albums of the century (which completely wasn't his fault, it's not like he CHOSE to win it), and suddenly he was hated by the community he loved.
This is a guy who put Kool Moe Dee, Melly Mel, and Grandmaster Caz in his mainstream rap song in 2015. He loves the culture, and he's desperately trying to become accepted by it.
I don't think it's him trying to be "accepted by blacks" or whatever. He genuinely wants to be considered a part of hip-hop.
I mean it's his fault for making the meme song in the first place but it still must suck for the guy.
>>62067152 But how can you actually create a blanket generalization of white privilege? The only privilege possible is class privilege. Yeah, for a long time the highest class has been (and in certain definitions still is) entirely white old men. But guess what? For every white old man there are millions of poor white men who struggle just as hard as anyone of any other race that is poor.
I'm not saying that there aren't serious transgressions along the line of race, especially from US law enforcement and court systems, but even then those problems are not race exclusive, just perhaps weighted unfairly in one direction because cops are racist fucks. But they're also just volatile fucks in general and will gladly shoot white people given the opportunity.
I personally, being white, have never felt that I was privileged over any other race. I've been completely railroaded by a bullshit justice system, I'm not well to do at all (to the point of occasionally skipping eating to save money), and I had to fight tooth and nail to get into college because of my record and the fact that I wouldn't contribute to any minority statistics.
So really I just find painting things as being guided strictly by race and rash generalizations of an entire race to be... well... racist.
shaming white people for being privileged is stupid. they can't control the fact they were born white, so why shame them for something they didn't choose? isn't that part of what a lot of the SJW movement is supposed to be against? its not like white people automatically are guaranteed a perfect life by virtue of being white. there is plenty of poverty in white communities.
SJWs are also usually young middle class white women who've never experienced prejudice or shame or struggle in their lives yet feel they need to speak out for a marginalized group so they can look like "we're making a difference! we're changing the world!"
>>62067293 Yah but rate at which most european countries are being consumed by mulsim culture right now is far higher than the rate at which its happening in america. Sure we're further along, but Europe will soon be ahead
Its really sad that liberals are facilitating this
White privilege is literally a concept created, paid for and pushed by the very rich to stop the masses noticing that in fact it's just the poor in general who are shafted, not exclusively the non-white poor
The way I see it, all these sjws are just now discovering what real life is like, and they can't handle it so they have to force equality of outcome for everyone.
>sjw discovers some people inherently have advantages over others within a society >sjw being an immature sheltered brat is shocked having discovered this >"WE MUST HAVE EQUALITY EVEN IF IT MEANS CUTTING OFF THE LEGS OF ABLED-PEOPLE FOR THE DISABLED!"
Equality of outcome is fucking disgusting, I prefer equality of opportunity
>>62067303 Don't get me wrong, I think class privilege is a thing too, and is arguably even more significant than white privilege in modern society.
But the reality of the situation is that when an average person sees a black man working at a prestigious job, they think that he's "one of the good ones", while they don't even bat an eyelid when they see a white person in the same situation. The reality is that being well spoken is considered "talking white". The reality is that the police are more likely to "randomly" stop a black man driving a nice car than a white man driving a nice car. The reality is that the police are TOLD to stop black men driving nice cars.
White privilege exists and that's undeniable. But again, there's no point in making white people apologise for it because modern white people literally did nothing wrong because white privilege was a concept created generations ago.
I'm not gonna sit around and cry that I can't be successful because of those damn white people are holding the black man down, because that's not true. We can still be successful people. It's just that the odds are slightly against us.
>>62067303 White privilege basically means you're gonna get judged the least based on your race. When you're white, there are no expectations of you, no one knows or makes assumptions of what you're going to be or do in the future because of your race. Blacks get the athlete thing, Asians (East Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern and anything in between) are always thought to be scientists or engineers of some type, and Hispanics always own their own small business. But when you're white, you don't get any stereotype put on you.
And that's just one example of that. You mention yourself the law related stuff. Black and Hispanic people have to deal with way harsher shit from cops than white folks (generally) do.
>>62067476 >But the reality of the situation is that when an average person sees a black man working at a prestigious job, they think that he's "one of the good ones" prove that. I've never fucking heard that from any one but trailer trash
And could it be that white people have privilege because theyre the majority? Why is no one complaining about black privilege in Kenya?
>>62067588 >It's funny to throw their own tactics right back at them >implying this tactic wasn't originally used by liberals talking shit about niggers was /pol/s way of "throwing it right back at them"
>>62067476 >>62067478 Neither of you actually addressed the fact that, by definition and logical conclusion, professing the existence of a white privilege is racist. You're buying into the race politics and subconsciously dividing your own race from another.
My point is that you can bring me all the evidence of racism that you want, and I won't deny it if it's legitimate (i.e. the legal system and police), but this concept of privilege or lack thereof based on race is a farce. As I said, the only real privilege is class privilege. A black person can be born into a rich family and be plenty privileged. A white person can be born in a slum and die at 12 from violence, sickness, or anything else that those in poverty are susceptible to.
I don't buy that by being a minority race one can vouch for racist ideas and be excused. And stereotypes exist for all races, genders, religions, body types, hair colors, everything.
Furthermore, the existence of racist people is not a justification for furthering the perception of racial differences.
>>62067515 >Why is no one complaining about black privilege in Kenya?
The funny thing is, aside from being targeted by petty criminals, you're still probably better off being a white guy in Kenya than a black guy. You realize Kenya is a post-colonial state, right? The country was even named by a white guy.
>>62067564 >>62067576 You have to be a moron to think it is. There's a difference between. "Take money away from the rich." and "Give more money to the poor." You have to be some kind of conspiracy theorist to think it is.
>>62067426 >le you're that other poster! >le pick some arbitrary black and white side >le anthony appeals to poltards >le you can't like some things of something and disagree with other parts of it >le you can't at least appreciate the intention behind something you agree with >pick a side you're either a poltard, stormfag neo nazi or agree with le white privilege 100%
>>62067626 No. The nigger thing was just 4chan being 4chan. They've been making those kinds of jokes since long before /pol/ was even an idea. /pol/ is just legitimately retarded and can't tell that it was all jokes before.
>>62067714 It really does look like a combo of Harmony in Ultraviolet and Ravedeath, doesn't it?
>>62067775 There's only one definition of Uncle Tom and he's pointing out that a white person calling a black person an Uncle Tom is akin to saying nigger. White people don't say Uncle Tom. Like ever. Even racist white people don't say that.
>>62067775 >an uncle tom is a black person who doesn't act degenerate and knows how to get ahead in America >"I want to wear baggy pants, listen to gangster rap, have corn rows, and be a successful business man!" Too bad, play the game or GTFO
>>62067646 Sad fact dude, people are different races. As nice as it would be to view all people as one race, it's just not realistic. All it means is that, white people hold the benefit of not having to deal with certain things, thanks to being white. It's not racist to point that out.
>>62067835 >It was an example of how modern Kenyan society as we know it has been shaped by and still retains much of the influence of white colonizers Hmm, if everyone's equal, then how did white people manage to take advantage over black people so easily? It's as if there's something inherently better about being white
>>62067655 >post-colonial So does post not mean anything to you? Do you think Kenya is run by white people for other white people in Europe? Really?
>>62067827 An Uncle Tom is the same thing as what one might call a 'house nigger' in the parlance of the day. He's someone who will put the rest of his race under the bus to further his own means. Think Uncle Ruckus from Boondocks.
>>62067833 Uh, you might have something if you called the racial side Hebrews or Israelites, but even then those are no longer real or well defined. Think Armenian but add, like, 2850 years or whatever. Judaism is exclusively a religion, practiced by many races. I think the religion says that the line is passed as though it were a race but only through the females. Basically, no, it isn't a race, but some people made up some arbitrary rules to say it is.
>>62067775 I was saying that it seems that everyone who thinks 'that an Uncle Tom is a successful, well spoken black person' is a black person themselves
How much of white privilege do you think is the privilege of not being influenced by other black people who don't want you to conform to 'white people's norms?' Do you not think that a lot of the rhetoric of white privilege being very closely associated with the idea of white oppression only babies black people and that it's a problem that people are scared to call out people calling hard working blacks uncle toms for fear of being labelled racist?
That's a poorly written sentence but you get the idea
>>62067861 And black people don't have to deal with certain things, and Asians don't have to deal with certain things. These are not excuses to hold racist ideologies under the pretense that you belong to a minority race.
And what you said indicates that you believe race plays some part in who a person is also very very clearly racist.
>>62067877 >If you kiss up to white people, act like whites are superior, and heavily stereotype other black people, then you're a fucking Uncle Tom By most people's definition of Uncle Tom, wearing business suits and listening to classical music is "kissing up to white people"
I've never met a black person who literally said "lol white people are awesome, I cant stand niggers!"
>>62067891 >So does post not mean anything to you? Do you think Kenya is run by white people for other white people in Europe? Really?
Do you honestly believe that once a state has become post-colonial, that all the influence of the colonizers magically disappear? Do you think it means white people were chased out of the country with spears and centuries of culture forming was washed clean?
>>62067730 I think you misunderstood. Being a white guy in Kenya > Being a black guy in Kenya
>>62067986 Nah but I don't really agree with the "black people vs niggers" rhetoric as I believe that the word "nigger" is a blanket racist term that either applies to all blacks or none at all. You can't pick and choose who gets to be a nigger.
But that was just comedy and it was funny so I'm not gonna make a big deal out of it.
Have you been to /pol/? If this thread was /pol/ itd have posts about blacks scoring lower on iq tests and how genetics would classify races as sub species so blacks and whites need to be kept separate
BLM is the most baseless organisation possible. The fact that Malcomore thinks it is the face of black people is not only sounding ignorant, but even more racist than he wants some white boys who listen to rap.
>>62068111 Maybe it's my fault for not being as specific as possible down to every last detail. But I'm not gonna do that because I don't feel like writing paragraphs for everything. I thought it would be obvious, but apparently it's not.
>>62067893 >I was saying that it seems that everyone who thinks 'that an Uncle Tom is a successful, well spoken black person' is a black person themselves
Yeah this is true and I disagree with the opinion. The whole "Uncle Tom" namecalling is mostly a black thing and it's a shame that a lot of people have stretched the meaning to any successful black person.
And I'm not sure if I fully understand that second part, but white privilege is something that's been built up for generations through institutionalised racism to negative stereotyping and all that other shit. And yeah, maybe there's a bit true to what you're saying about black people being urged not to conform to "white people norms", but at the same time, I feel like any intelligent person will realise that being successful and well spoken is not a "white" thing.
>>62068183 I think the original idea of BLM (after all the recent racism and police brutality, it seemed as if society forgot that black lives mattered, and #blacklivesmatter was simply a reminder that black lives matter TOO) is totally acceptable, but what it has devolved into (basically an anti-white hate group) is fucking disgraceful and is not gonna help us as a race whatsoever.
>>62068297 >after all the recent racism and police brutality That occurs more often to white people (statistically a far less violent race in America)
>>62068297 >society forgot that black lives mattered yah people just totally forgot. Thats the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Only poor people living in trailers in the south think black lives dont matter. No normal people forgot, normal people in America just don't give a shit about political issues no matter what race its about
>>62068782 I wouldn't care if kept your shit to yourselves. But I care when you contaminate the board with edgy racism, start shitty bait threads almost every day and basically try to force your views on everyone.
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