>>61978527 It was more a way of saying "how come you generalize all these genre into one same thing, that proves how biased you are." That proves that this pic doesn't mean shit, he doesn't even know what genre he's down-rating
That's a subjective chart and it is not accurate at all.
>>61978556 rock music, since the shit band the beatles, that spread the form a b a b c b to write a song to any shitty pop band influenced by that kind of composition is shit. rock, punk, metal, i dont know.. shit like that its all the same thing. "all the other rock" is a good label to taxonomize it
>>61978660 >>61978665 >>61978480 >>61978487 I wish those musicians would not allow themselves any repetitions, and would go faster in developing their ideas or their findings, because I don’t appreciate at all this permanent repetitive language.
It is like someone who is stuttering all the time, and can’t get words out of his mouth. I think musicians should have very concise figures and not rely on this fashionable psychology. I don’t like psychology whatsoever: using music like a drug is stupid.
I heard the piece Quadrant Dub of Basic Channels carefully: I think it would be very helpful if he listens to my work Song Of The Youth, which is electronic music, and a young boy’s voice singing with himself. Because he would then immediately stop with all these post-African repetitions, and he would look for changing tempi and changing rhythms, and he would not allow to repeat any rhythm if it were varied to some extent and if it did not have a direction in its sequence of variations.
Most of the genre, as much as I don't like the current classification, mean something, there are in a certain historical context, most of the time they liberate themselves from the mainstream genre where they don't believe it's representative of their own. So if all rock are the same, every genre throughout time has a special something to teach you. Even in a global scale, if you look at Soul and Rock, for instance you will notice how they influence themselves to make new things.
>>61978656 "y u make fun" here is the answer you've been waiting for
>>61978669 You said all the other rock is shit, since rock is so mainstream, this is a nice portion of music you fuck
pop, rock, r&b, soul, alternative, alternative r&b, neo-soul, funk, jazz, nu-jazz
there's a difference between something being in 4/4 and four on the floor. majority of techno is in 4/4 (but so is most rock music as well) but certainly not all of it is four on the floor (tho it was more essential in the earlier days of techno)
>>61978729 rock is a nice portion of music? i think its a really small one. its music made like... 60 years ago. humanity have thousands of years composing music. so.. 60 years of music vs thousands of years. i think you are wrong anon: rock is not a big part of music
>>61978957 yeah.. there is a lot of recorded rock music, but there are a lot of others genres being recorded, some of them even before rock. are you trying to make a satire about primitive music? im not trying to be a smart ass. this is truly what i think based and all the music that i've heard
>>61979134 im not OP, i was not there, anon, of course i was not there... and that video is a good example of a really old music. have you ever seen the film koyaanisqatsi? in that film there are some tribes playing their music and its absolutely different to the music that we hear now. the sound it's not only different: the relation between the music and the people making it it's different. another good example its ancient greek music, the ancient greek music clears the state of individuation and make all the people reunited there one.
also, as the image of OP saids, the electronic music before techno its something really curious: some guys in the 50's find out that they can make music with computers, computers that dont even have a monitor. and they just find the way to do it, making the first approach to a synth. anoter curius example is musique concrete, also electronic music. people find out that recorded music or sounds could be manipulated and they start making music with that.all that before rock music. you dont even have to take the primitive music to think about music that have been recorded before rock to nowadays
>>61979218 You're implying shit I didn't say here bud'
>>61979230 Nice you're actually giving me reasons. But you're talking about the relation to music rather than the music. I mean it's cool and all since it got me thinking deep questions like "Do we actually like music or is it a form of social contagion ( I don't know if you call it like that in english)" But yet that doesn't make the music better, the relation was. But yeah I get your point about rock, I'll totally admit that saying " most of music" when talking about rock was wrong. Let's say "most of the contemporary music" (or "mainstream" easy af )
Anyone who thinks rock and pop music isn't a significant portion of total music must be delusional. Before the 1900s we had what, a couple of thousand composers, each putting out everything from a handful to a few thousand works. Today, we have literally millions of artists who put out music every single day. I would be absolutely flabbergasted if we didn't create as much music in the last ten years alone as we did the entire history of man before the 1900s.
>>61979340 This is not counting traditional folk musicians, who we can't really know how many there were or how much music they produced. This is only considering the music that has survived in some form. I still doubt there were millions of traditional folk musicians who were actively making new music - it's based on tradition, after all.
>>61979295 music is a form of art and the relation between the composer and the audience its something important. the residents its a band that even have a theory about that: for them music or any form of art should be composed without thinking what the audience is going to think. they just composed what they want, they dont try to fit in something and they just do it. thats another example. yes, maybe just telling that there are other forms of relations in other genres dont make rock more shity. so, why do i think that rock is shit? because rock have influenced the most horrible part of our music. they promote that form of composition that i talk about some post back (A B A B C B). anything since the horrible beatles to justin bieber that follow that pattern is shit to me. fucking boring music, every song is the same. "a music that you dont know when its going to finish" someone use to talk about that. its so boring to know before hand everything that its going to happend when you listen somehing. i like music that i have to listen a few times since i can even remeber a melody. maybe im an idiot but when i can remember those beutiful melodies i have fun. a riif that its just a 4 seconds idea repetead 1000 times in a song its not fun for me
>>61979340 a lot of genres other than rock are being recorded now and were recorded before rock. electronic music is older than rock and have been recorded earlier and still being recorded. jazz music is the same, classical music too. you dont have any idea what you are saying, rock is just a small percentage againts all those genrers
They have a point. You don't. It's an quantitative count you're doing. We're talking qualitatively, meaning what was the trend at the moment. Do you see the difference ? Because we could count every song done and have an odd number that doesn't mean nothing.
Is that your only argument against rock ? I'm not going to defend the beatles, you're free to like or not. But saying that rock is generic, is ignoring every sub-genre. But yeah I can understand that you don't like repeated melodies. Sadly it's the same in many genres.
>>61979436 not copy pasta my friend, im wrinting all this stuff right now
>>61979437 rock is generic, tell me why its not? for me there is not difference between metal and punk, just the colour. its like the same thing filled with different colours. ohh look! now there is a chorus! wow now we have the same melody that in the beggining. WOW!! CHOURUS AGAIN! FUCK YEAH! now the part that its different its so cool! now a chorus again what a surprise! and now it have to end, there is not other way it could be.... its all the same, in every genre. its boring and not very creative. for me, its enough to said something is shit
>>61979437 They're also making a quantitive count you idiot. I never said a single thing about quality, only about quantity, just like I constantly see many others do when they say "but le 1000 of years of music before rock so much omg"
Ok but every music is like that you know. You're free to innovate. You can't blame rock for that. I could play some soul songs with the same chords of a rock song. I could play rnb and sing alternative lyrics. Music is mostly generic, I really dig the genres trying to innovate but they aren't much really. And they are innovative rock you're not digging deep enough, you might be bored by the same fucking chords played in rock but the same chords can be played in many different ways.
>>61979488 You meant that 10,000 years of music could fit in these two words which, atm, just mean music made from acoustic and traditional instrument. Is that what you really meant ? Do you mean that for instance old gospel is in "traditional folk" and that a genre like flamenco is traditional folk. Is throat singing a traditional folk genre bud ?
>>61979589 man, im telling you that the first guys that made electronic music had yo program some computers that dont even had a monitor, the way that its produce its a lot more creative than rock. you are saying what you are saying for not know anything else but that same thing repited over and over again. or you just cant see it. you told me that you hear jazz and nu jazz, in those genrers its weird to listen two things that are similar. i mean..
what do you find similar between these two bands
both are modern jazz bands. and if you listen to free jazz or stuff like that its more simple to see read about schoenberg and his system to compose, totally different to anything made before his time: he created a system that allows you to compose withour repeating the same pattern in the same song, you never know what is coming next. some people call it a meme, but in noise music every fucking song is different: everything is so ramdon that you cant tell me that something is similar to other song... i mean you can said oh that one was noise and this one too, but the way those sounds were put together its truly different each time.
>>61979589 Folk music includes both traditional music and the genre that evolved from it during the 20th century folk revival. The term originated in the 19th century but is often applied to music that is older than that. Some types of folk music are also called world music. Traditional folk music has been defined in several ways: as music transmitted orally, or as music with unknown composers. It has been contrasted with commercial and classical styles. One meaning often given is that of old songs, with no known composers; another is music that has been transmitted and evolved by a process of oral transmission or performed by custom over a long period of time.
Okay but you just don't notice the difference between the different rock. Even in the beatles'discography, the most generic songs are different. We could argue about the real difference between each song but i'm not doing that. I admit they're similar but that doesn't mean anything.
Is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzQvGz6_fvA
The same as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtN8oBjMr_E
or maybe this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ7qXHjxj_0 ?
(I used songs from different eras on purpose)
The chords, the progression, the solo, the lyrics, the instruments used in each song, everything matters. So yeah, while Jazz or Classical are the most innovative genres I can think of, that doesn't make each rock song less unique.
I just believe you don't try it more often, you didn't find a good album to dig in rock. But i'm not an expert either, I enjoy some songs here and there.
>>61979705 This is not an answer but a pasta from wiki. I asked how come you jammed 10,000 years of music into two words that just defines any music played with traditional ways/instruments. Stop pasting and wet yourself with an answer since you're so intelligent and I'm an idiot.
>>61979942 Okay big boi, tell which one is the same as which one I'm listening, correct this list. I'm ready. My heart is open, show me the way. You must know that, since you're saying some shit, nigga.
>>61979804 im talking about form and what that form contains. im saying that there is a form (A B A B C B) that is repeted in almost every pop/rock song, since the beatles, punk bands as the clash the ramones, going trought metallica, slipknot, even bands as the fall of troy in some of their songs use that form. what that form contains may be different, but that form is repeted againg and again in almost every song
>>61979804 >>61983175 in the songs that i posted here >>61979679 the form is different and what it contains is also different in songs of the same genre. of course that the chord progresion is different in pop songs, the seven notes and the five semi tones can be combined in a finite way, but again, the form is repeated
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