>1969 Trout Mask Replica comes out
>It's the best album ever
>Scaruffi gives it a 9.5 his highest score and declares it the best album ever
>1991 Loveless comes out
>It is so perfect it tops even Trout Mask Replica
>Scaruffi gives it a 9.0 not a 10.0
>Scaruffi is a Dad Rocker to unable to fully accept the musical achievments of any generation other than his own
When did you realise this /mu/?
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Neither of those are the best albums ever, even though Loveless is (in my opinion) a far better album than TMR. Hiding quality music through dense polyrhythms and odd choices in music theory doesn't automatically make something the best of all time. I would put both around the 8/10 mark though.
I don't agree with a lot of his opinions but I like that he takes his time to review something instead of shitting out a review the week after it comes out. I do like his rating system for the most part though. I don't like that 10 is reserved for the best album ever, but I like that 5/10 really is average for him, and most of his scores stick between 4/10 and 6/10. If he says something is a 7/10 I'll definitely at least give it a listen.
If you listened to Loveless, when it first came out, at age 18, you would be turning 43 this year.
TMR is more inventive than Loveless. TMR is a brilliant work of avant music and surrealism. Nothing really sounds quite like it, even other Beefheart works.
Loveless is a perfectly crafted version of bands that came before them such as AR Kane and Cocteau Twins.
I can see how Scaruffi would like TMR better. Especially if you look at his general taste
I prefer Loveless tho. Because music is subjective and nothing will ever beat me being 13 listening to it in the car while reading Dune.
lol right. just because beefheart is blues doesn't mean he didn't do something different. just because you find things in the same genre doesn't mean he's a rip-off artist.
find specific examples of people who have similar lyrics or melodies before beefheart and i'll concede, but deconstructing a genre =/= rip-off ya jabroni.
mbv is like the perfect version of its genre, beefheart is playing with one's familiarity of its genre's tropes and using that as a means of expression.
Wow there really are people on /mu/ that care so much about a HALF POINT rating difference from a music critic that they make a post here to complain about it.
You could just not go to his website
They fell for the Death Grips and Neutral Milk Hotel are bad meme
>tfw you realize Scruffy was 14 years old when Trout Mask Replica came out
It's a seriously boring album. I listened to the first song and thought it was great but it was only downhill from there. Loomer is also cool as it fits well as the next song from that, it sounds like the album is going somewhere but the other songs just suck to be frank. The song writing just isn't very good. Not catchy, interesting or memorable. Having a nice sound doesn't make up for uninteresting music.
I really don't understand how it's rated so highly. Siamese Dream is a very heavily produced album from the same period, but the song writing is infinitely better. Yet people seem to rate Loveless higher, which I don't understand. Just a meme I guess. Even on RYM it is ranked 9th overall - ahead of Led Zeppelin IV Is 10th. That is absolutely retarded.
> The song writing just isn't very good. Not catchy, interesting or memorable. Having a nice sound doesn't make up for uninteresting music.
Tell that to any of the covers of this song
whats yr metric for a great album. music is subjective dawg and no matter how many times you repeat the reductive same line nothing can change the fact that to a lot of people it IS a great album.
Tmr is much better than loveless
Far more groundbreaking
also it's p arguable that rock like tmr in 1969 was plainly much more groundbreaking bc it had the potential to be given the time
yes, because taste is subjective. there is no "truth" when it comes to opinions. whatever "objective" reasons you apply to loveless or bieber could easily be applied to whatever your favorite music is. cmon hit me. give me an artist. let me be the grouchy internet man now.
and also bieber is such a poor example because he actually has a lot of talent. straight up. i don't like his music either but implying he's not skilled is so 15-year old level of tryhard anticonformity it makes me wonder if you just watched fight club for the first time.
It's funny because /mu/ is the only shithole in the world that jerks its ass over trout mask replica, while loveless is an undisputed classic almost everywhere else (even though I find it pretty lame and uninteresting)
>/mu/ is the only shithole in the world that jerks its ass over trout mask replica
>Since its release, Trout Mask Replica has been acknowledged not only as Captain Beefheart's masterpiece, but as one of the greatest albums of all time. BBC disc jockey John Peel said of the album: "If there has been anything in the history of popular music which could be described as a work of art in a way that people who are involved in other areas of art would understand, then Trout Mask Replica is probably that work." Critic Steve Huey of Allmusic writes that the album's influence "was felt more in spirit than in direct copycatting, as a catalyst rather than a literal musical starting point. However, its inspiring reimagining of what was possible in a rock context laid the groundwork for countless experiments in rock surrealism to follow, especially during the punk/new wave era."
>Filmmaker David Lynch has called Trout Mask Replica his favorite album of all time
>In 2003, the album was ranked 58th by Rolling Stone in their list of The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time (60th on the 2012 list): "On first listen, Trout Mask Replica sounds like raw Delta blues", with Beefheart "singing and ranting and reciting poetry over fractured guitar licks. But the seeming sonic chaos is an illusion ... Tracks such as 'Ella Guru' and 'My Human Gets Me Blues' are the direct predecessors of modern musical primitives such as Tom Waits and PJ Harvey". In his 1995 book The Alternative Music Almanac, Alan Cross placed the album in the #2 spot on his list of "10 Classic Alternative Albums". In 1995, Mojo put the album 28th on their "The 100 Greatest Albums Ever Made" list and 51st on their list of "The 100 Records That Changed the World". The album also appears on Mojo's 2014 list of The 50 Weirdest Albums Ever, coming in first place. On April 6, 2011, the album was added to the United States National Recording Registry for the year 2010 by the Library of Congress.
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impressive... very nice