Does grime even compare to american hiphop? Will it ever be

Skepta's the only noticeable artist that I've come across.

very much a meme currently

>>61955452
>who is Dizzee Rascal

Listen to Boy In Da Corner NOW.

>>61955442
Saw Stormzy live on New Year's. Grime artists put on a much better show than American rappers. Was wicked.

>>61955455
Grime is very much legitimate in the UK

>>61955462
Didn't get to see him live, was going to in Norwich but was kicked out for being drunk.

90% of grime songs are shit, I mean the good songs are good,talking hits here, but the rest of the album is just garbage imo

>>61955452
Man Skepta is all over the house.

>>61955442
It's cursed to being mediocre forever, which is a shame because it has crazy potential.

The problem with grime is that it has very strong boundaries. "The instrumentals have to sound like this" "The rapping has to flow like this" "You have to rhyme like this" "You have to rap about this" "You have to dress like this" "You have to be from here" "You have to live like this" "You can't be original just do what everyone else before you did"

So until the end of time we'll have the scene praising rubbish like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oohZznjNRwg
because it "sounds old-school" or because it "stays true to grime" or whatever the fuck.

If you try to experiment even a little bit, you'll be shunned and you won't be grime anymore. If you aren't a roadman, you'll never get any exposure in the scene because you're not grime anymore. If you wear a pair of skinny jeans you'll be shunned and you won't be grime anymore. You have to wear the same dirty SportsDirect tracksuit as everyone else and rap the same lyrics over the same beats as everyone else or you're not grime.

And that's why the genre's destined for failure.

>>61955442
>both made by blacks
>must be same genre

>>61955498
That was the start of rap in general. In the early days of hip hop west coast rappers got.booed offstage in New York because they weren't "real rappers". I imagine grime can expand.

>>61955521
Literally both are chanting rhymes over a backing track.

>>61955498
Ironic because modern experimental hip-hop like Death Grips and Yeezus is watered-down grime at it's core pretty much.

>>61955541
So anything with singing is pop?

>>61955462
>Grime artists put on a much better show than American rappers. Was wicked.

I can't stand that fucking "reload" bullshit desu. It's so annoying.

>>61955546
There's some influence but it isn't really grime.

And if they even tried to claim it was influenced by grime it would be completely shunned and ostracised by the scene because Ride and Ye both wear skinny jeans.

>>61955541
>Hip hop music is a music genre consisting of a stylized rhythmic music that commonly accompanies rapping, a rhythmic and rhyming speech that is chanted.

>Grime is a genre of music that emerged in England in the late 90s to early 2000s. It is primarily a development of UK garage, drum and bass and dancehall.

>>61955550
Grime is a denomination of hiphop, It's not exactly the same but you can very clearly see the parallels.

>>61955574
No it isn't, its a development of UK garage, drum and bass and dancehall. The only similarity is the influence of Jamaican toasting.

>>61955574
Grime fans will literally lynch anyone who says this.

They ganged up on Dizzee very recently for saying it was similar to hip-hop on Sway in the Morning or something.

>>61955595
Alright, I'll admit I'm not an expert, but just from listening to it, the themes and style in both genres are pretty similar.

>>61955498
this post reads like grime lyrics desu

just imagine the accent and double vocals on all the "sound like this" and "grime anymore"'s

>>61955613
Pavarotti and Megadeth both sing too but thats where it ends.

Only guy I see who's actually trying to do something different with grime is this bloke and he literally gets no exposure or buzz or anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOEdz3Juqgk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGmZgBWKkUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTPNV19fRN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bx5Oui6m14

But he's fucking good. It's a shame he doesn't get any help from anyone else.

>>61955498
Oh yeah, and god forbid you collaborate with an American artist or go overseas to try and spread the grime thing.

You'll be stoned.

>>61955632

i like imagining a grime accent rapping the youtube URL out

>>61955633
I moved to the UK from Norway about 6 months ago, where I was primarily listening to hiphop, hadn't really heard of grime before coming here.
When I saw grime my initial reaction was, "oh, it's like gangsta rap but with british accents".
I realize that there are many many differences between the two, but grime and hiphop do have a lot of similar characteristics.

>>61955457
God tier album.

Can someone recommend me some god tier grime?

I don't care for the shit posting desu. I loved Dizzee, but never really knew where to go from there.

WONT GET NONE OF YOUR CDS BACK

>>61955775
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGphZoik2o8

>>61955913
Thanks senpai. Listening now.

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>New school grime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEoRo8rGgVY
its coming around...

>>61955913
>calling this grime

what the fuck senpai

alright senpaitachi here you go
no meme artists no batty american influenced shit

https://youtu.be/HK1SpAy_cR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_7XipJGYWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZhHkpMq5Us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY1K_XsEvwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaG2RyDxQlk
https://youtu.be/7F3bgQpuFTQ

>>61955442
Stormzy is not grime. He is the pop idea of grime. It aint even about the MC's.
this IS grime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo64vsiboA

Just listen to the recent wave of instrumental grime

Grimefags are in denial. This shit IS fucking rap. It just uses beats that are unusual for amerifags.

https://youtu.be/8GtVUkyzvhU
tuneeeee

>>61957703
This is the best grime song of 2015 to be honest.

>>61956459
This shit sounds so outdated. And they're all rapping about the same shit. It essentially proves >>61955498 right.

>>61957550
It's a weird topic because grime was influenced by non hip-hop genres but has formed a genre that is enjoyed mostly by hip-hop fans.

>>61956012
This is really fucking cool but it's not really grime is it?

>>61957703
Very pretty girl

>>61957550
Grime developed from a multitude of styles; primarily reggae, bashment, dancehall, garage, and drum and bass. To simply call it a subgenre of hip-hop disavows these vital influences, and denies the unique cultural heritage that has secured its place as one of the most vibrant and idiosyncratic performance forms that exists today.
I’m not trying to argue that grime is not at all influenced by hip-hop. But to call grime a subgenre of hip-hop is to reduce it to an offshoot of an art form that has itself been the subject of reductive conceptions, and to do so inaccurately. Grime’s history is complex and multi-faceted, and although it may sound and look like some English version of American rap, it’s way deeper than that. To categorize is to subsume, and in a time where grime is finally getting the wider recognition it deserves, we’d do well to stop saying that grime’s a subgenre of hip-hop and start venerating the music on its own terms.

>>61957703
Am I the only one who finds The Square (and a lot of these new young grime acts) really fake?

I mean, walk around London. The youth doesn't really dress or talk like this anymore. It's only really the proper roadmanz and drug dealers who wear these tracksuits and shit.

It's like they're doing it to fit in with the old school style, but that old school style doesn't really exist anymore.

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Which one of you cunts did this on the "best chiptune album" thread.

>>61959446
Ok, yeah, genre lines aren't strictly drawn on a "it sounds like x therefore it is x" basis, and context and trajectory matter. If that weren't so, a lot of genres of extreme rock music would be the same.

But still, if I were trying to get someone into grime, saying "it's sort of like a synthetic, grimy, British version of hip-hop" would be a good description. I'm not gonna go in about fucking "bashment" because I'm an American and we don't know what the fuck that is.

>>61960274
This exactly. I don't know why people get so offended by it desu.

Grime has hardly fucking evolved. Even fucking garage evolved a bit more. You had your standard MCs then you even had R&B garage singers like Craaaaaaaaaig David.

>>61955442

It'll be mediocre forever until someone makes a larger crossover hit that generates more corporate interest. Hip-hop was confined to small areas until that happened with 'Rapper's Delight' and 'Rapture'. Then, in the 90's, it took off. It was a good thing.....initially. Once the corps found how much money they could make, the quality suffered enormously in favor of quantity.

The quality > quantity ratio is evening out so we may see another era like the 90's reproduced.

>>61955457
Anybody got this album to share?

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>>61961447
I'd say it's getting bigger in terms of the mainstream.

Here's proof.

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>>61961447
>>61961514
And some more.

>>61959446
>the unique cultural heritage

White people will still refer to it as 'nigger music' and won't understand the cultural significance whatsoever.

Get used to it. We have, but we've heard that since hip-hop was created in the mid-70's.

BTW: The term, hip-hop, was initially used derisively. Now look.

Grime is alright, I like Wiley, JME and Giggs (I think some would call him "UK Hip Hop" though I don't know)

What I don't like about Grime is writers for Noisey/Vice acting like it's the most culturally relevant thing ever when it's only really popular with roadmen and posh students.

>>61961685
the thing is grime is literally simplified UK Garage that's easier to spit over. I think it's the hip hop fans that have given it meme status really, there isn't a big enough UKG/dancehall/jungle crowd to have made it what it is now

>>61961685
Yeah Giggs is definitely hip-hop not grime.

He's been dabbling in grime a lot more recently but he's mostly hip-hop.

Grime is dead because the roadman is dead.

Yeah they still exist but they're an endangered species and people don't glamorise them like they used to.

The new generation of youth is coming up though. Doing their own creative ting that'll take off and become more than grime ever could've been.

My nigga Daniel has already got cosigns from Skepta and Jammer and the video's only been out for 2 and a half weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJADye5ulc

>>61961977
>Jammer
lmao

>>61962023
Jammer's a clown but he has so much power and respect in the UK scene. Getting a cosign from him is a huge deal regardless of how shit his music is or how much he looks like a goat.

>>61961977
The youth wants to be different now. They don't want to be held back by grime and it's grueling rules and regulations. They want to do their own ting. There's still some influence because that's the UK sound and the grime sound but at the end of the day niggas can't broaden grime's boundaries without getting clowned so they've left those boundaries and made their own ting.

https://soundcloud.com/danieltripleog/badboy

British people can't rap I don't know why grime even started they sound retarded

>>61962142
Acquired taste, you'll get used to it over time desu.

>>61962142
that's a load of shite, a good live MC can make a set go bang like nothing else

Tell me about grime, why do they start the song over?

>>61962646
RELOAD CUZ
*sniffs a fattie of drone*
I SAID FUCKIN RELOAD YOU BATTY

>>61955546
lmao just because you have an industrialish track behind rap vocals doesnt make it grime influenced

>>61962806
especially since grime is about flow and the track more than anything else. Grime is completely different in execution from hip hop, I don't think any hip hop's been grime influenced. Like a lot of grime tracks aren't even designed to be spat over

>>61962879
>I don't think any hip hop's been grime influenced
Danny Brown - Bruizer Brigade