Does grime even compare to american hiphop?
Will it ever be legit or is it cursed to being mediocre forever?
Didn't get to see him live, was going to in Norwich but was kicked out for being drunk.
90% of grime songs are shit, I mean the good songs are good,talking hits here, but the rest of the album is just garbage imo
It's cursed to being mediocre forever, which is a shame because it has crazy potential.
The problem with grime is that it has very strong boundaries. "The instrumentals have to sound like this" "The rapping has to flow like this" "You have to rhyme like this" "You have to rap about this" "You have to dress like this" "You have to be from here" "You have to live like this" "You can't be original just do what everyone else before you did"
So until the end of time we'll have the scene praising rubbish like this
because it "sounds old-school" or because it "stays true to grime" or whatever the fuck.
If you try to experiment even a little bit, you'll be shunned and you won't be grime anymore. If you aren't a roadman, you'll never get any exposure in the scene because you're not grime anymore. If you wear a pair of skinny jeans you'll be shunned and you won't be grime anymore. You have to wear the same dirty SportsDirect tracksuit as everyone else and rap the same lyrics over the same beats as everyone else or you're not grime.
And that's why the genre's destined for failure.
That was the start of rap in general. In the early days of hip hop west coast rappers got.booed offstage in New York because they weren't "real rappers". I imagine grime can expand.
There's some influence but it isn't really grime.
And if they even tried to claim it was influenced by grime it would be completely shunned and ostracised by the scene because Ride and Ye both wear skinny jeans.
>Hip hop music is a music genre consisting of a stylized rhythmic music that commonly accompanies rapping, a rhythmic and rhyming speech that is chanted.
>Grime is a genre of music that emerged in England in the late 90s to early 2000s. It is primarily a development of UK garage, drum and bass and dancehall.
Only guy I see who's actually trying to do something different with grime is this bloke and he literally gets no exposure or buzz or anything.
But he's fucking good. It's a shame he doesn't get any help from anyone else.
I moved to the UK from Norway about 6 months ago, where I was primarily listening to hiphop, hadn't really heard of grime before coming here.
When I saw grime my initial reaction was, "oh, it's like gangsta rap but with british accents".
I realize that there are many many differences between the two, but grime and hiphop do have a lot of similar characteristics.
alright senpaitachi here you go
no meme artists no batty american influenced shit
Grime developed from a multitude of styles; primarily reggae, bashment, dancehall, garage, and drum and bass. To simply call it a subgenre of hip-hop disavows these vital influences, and denies the unique cultural heritage that has secured its place as one of the most vibrant and idiosyncratic performance forms that exists today.
I’m not trying to argue that grime is not at all influenced by hip-hop. But to call grime a subgenre of hip-hop is to reduce it to an offshoot of an art form that has itself been the subject of reductive conceptions, and to do so inaccurately. Grime’s history is complex and multi-faceted, and although it may sound and look like some English version of American rap, it’s way deeper than that. To categorize is to subsume, and in a time where grime is finally getting the wider recognition it deserves, we’d do well to stop saying that grime’s a subgenre of hip-hop and start venerating the music on its own terms.
Am I the only one who finds The Square (and a lot of these new young grime acts) really fake?
I mean, walk around London. The youth doesn't really dress or talk like this anymore. It's only really the proper roadmanz and drug dealers who wear these tracksuits and shit.
It's like they're doing it to fit in with the old school style, but that old school style doesn't really exist anymore.
Which one of you cunts did this on the "best chiptune album" thread.
Ok, yeah, genre lines aren't strictly drawn on a "it sounds like x therefore it is x" basis, and context and trajectory matter. If that weren't so, a lot of genres of extreme rock music would be the same.
But still, if I were trying to get someone into grime, saying "it's sort of like a synthetic, grimy, British version of hip-hop" would be a good description. I'm not gonna go in about fucking "bashment" because I'm an American and we don't know what the fuck that is.
It'll be mediocre forever until someone makes a larger crossover hit that generates more corporate interest. Hip-hop was confined to small areas until that happened with 'Rapper's Delight' and 'Rapture'. Then, in the 90's, it took off. It was a good thing.....initially. Once the corps found how much money they could make, the quality suffered enormously in favor of quantity.
The quality > quantity ratio is evening out so we may see another era like the 90's reproduced.
I'd say it's getting bigger in terms of the mainstream.
And some more.
>the unique cultural heritage
White people will still refer to it as 'nigger music' and won't understand the cultural significance whatsoever.
Get used to it. We have, but we've heard that since hip-hop was created in the mid-70's.
BTW: The term, hip-hop, was initially used derisively. Now look.
Grime is alright, I like Wiley, JME and Giggs (I think some would call him "UK Hip Hop" though I don't know)
What I don't like about Grime is writers for Noisey/Vice acting like it's the most culturally relevant thing ever when it's only really popular with roadmen and posh students.
the thing is grime is literally simplified UK Garage that's easier to spit over. I think it's the hip hop fans that have given it meme status really, there isn't a big enough UKG/dancehall/jungle crowd to have made it what it is now
Grime is dead because the roadman is dead.
Yeah they still exist but they're an endangered species and people don't glamorise them like they used to.
The new generation of youth is coming up though. Doing their own creative ting that'll take off and become more than grime ever could've been.
My nigga Daniel has already got cosigns from Skepta and Jammer and the video's only been out for 2 and a half weeks.
Jammer's a clown but he has so much power and respect in the UK scene. Getting a cosign from him is a huge deal regardless of how shit his music is or how much he looks like a goat.
The youth wants to be different now. They don't want to be held back by grime and it's grueling rules and regulations. They want to do their own ting. There's still some influence because that's the UK sound and the grime sound but at the end of the day niggas can't broaden grime's boundaries without getting clowned so they've left those boundaries and made their own ting.
especially since grime is about flow and the track more than anything else. Grime is completely different in execution from hip hop, I don't think any hip hop's been grime influenced. Like a lot of grime tracks aren't even designed to be spat over