Let's try again, but this time, we should talk about IDM.
/IDM/ is for:
>Discussion of IDM albums, songs, and artists, from well-known to unknown
>Posting of IDM that you find remarkable in some way via Youtube, Soundcloud, or Bandcamp
>Discovering new IDM
/IDM/ is not for:
>Pointless arguments about the meaning of IDM
If you are confused about IDM, want to get into the genre, or don't know who the "big 4" are please see these artists:
>Boards of Canada
Tripfag-free? Nice. Let's keep it that way. What do you think of this chart?
Too pretencious. I like to call it braindance.
my taste in music > your taste in music :^)
That is a good chart
I actually did that once. Before that, it was "Intelligent" Dance Music. Both times people made a big deal over what it should be called and why, so we agreed that it should just be "IDM" so that IDM could mean whatever they felt it meant.
It's my favorite too but the melodies are pretty accesibles, not so much as their first 3 albums.
Also, that chart is recomending Confield aka the most inaccesible Autechre album ever
most of the instruments on that album are sampled live instruments and there's almost no glitchy tones whatsoever, this chart is fucking retarded. not to mention
>mhtrtc = ambient techno somehow
I'm fucking mad
prove me wrong then friendo
never cared for that one too much honestly, but it would be interesting to see them go back and do more typical 'idm' stuff like they did on hi scores/likely also in their unreleased mid 90s stuff
Actually I take back that comment on Chinook, just went and listened to it again and the second half is p great. I wanna see more abrasive BoC.
Oh and check out the song Korona if you haven't
IMO that's always been one of the better songs on that album but not close to the best, it's still great and incredibly well executed though. If I were to pick MHtRtC tracks to put in their best it would have to be Wildlife Analysis, An Eagle In Your Mind, Olson, or Sixtyten (I would also add Aquarius but the version on the Peel Session EP is superior.)
Chocolate Wheelchair like >>61946072 said or maybe Cavalcade for straight breakcore done really well (likely the best done by him,) Winter in the Belly of a Snake or Huge Chrome Cylinder Box Unfolding for glitchy stuff, Detrimentalist for stupidly fun raggacore, and Doll Doll Doll or Shitfuckers for really dark and abrasive stuff with a very slight industrial drum n bass influence
Personally I'd start with Cavalcade (most basic) -> Chocolate Wheelchair, and then if you want abrasiveness go to Doll Doll Doll -> Shitfuckers, if you want glitchy stuff go Huge Chrome Cylinder Box -> Winter
never seen it memed but it's great mate, it really takes on the hip hop/breakbeat influence without going into it full tilt like smokes quantity and it uses the voice chopping stuff they like to do to great effect to make something that sounds like a nightmare while still keeping their sound
album-wise yes (other than maybe an alternate universe rework of BoC Maxima and MHtRtC that mixes the best of the two together to make a more coherent album)
song wise I'd say both BoC Maxima and maybe MHtRtC top it as far as having the best songs
in other words their previous albs have se better individual songs but Geogaddi is the most consistently great
Does anyone have suggestions for complex and layered electronic music that's also at least a little fast-paced? Not necessarily dance music, but music that's not "chill". Distorted vocals is also a plus.
Don't know if this is the right thread for this since this isn't really exclusive to IDM I think.
A few artists I like:
Not entirely IDM, or maybe not IDM at all, but I like FlyLo, Teebs, and more hip hop influenced stuff. I've just recently downloaded BoC, Squarepusher, and Autechre and haven't gotten to that yet. I have always like Aphex though because of it's dancey feeling to it. Anything you guys can rec that is similar? Like has a FEEL to it. Like I enjoy the feels of Teebs, I can't really explain. Thanks in advance fellas!
>inb4 "spoon feed me"
It's a vast genre. Leave me alone.
Well, BoC certainly have a "feel." Pretty strong one at that, in the atmospheric sense. You'll likely pick up on it, because I know what you mean about Teebs' "feel" and think we might have similar receptors
Awesome! I wasn't sure where to start with the 3/4 of the "big 4" I havent listened to. BoC it is! Thanks man, I'll likely pick it up like you said. Anything similar? Or anywhere with the discog I should start in particular?
I have not! At work right now so I will play this track when I get off, thanks!
Well, I personally think MHTRTC is their best, and it's the first one I was exposed two eight long years ago at the ripe age of 16 when I just started browsing 4chan. I think it has the best atmosphere. This is a popular opinion, the other main popular opinion being that Geogaddi is the best. The Campfire Headphase is also great but rather offbeat compared to the prior two. I'd start with that "trilogy" and branch out from there.
I don't know if I would recommend an EP as the cherry-popper for any artist I listen to. MHTRTC, Geogaddi and TCH all have hip-hop elements but are also richer in overall content. I dig Hi Scores but I don't think anyone should start there if they want to hear what most people describe listening to Boards of Canada as. If any EP, then definitely In A Beautiful Place Out In the Country, but while that's wonderful, it lacks the feature-length feel of an album because, well, it's an EP (albeit the most true to their sound IMO)
Prefuse 73 basically invneted glitch hop, not very atmospheric, but i think you'll like it, also everything Brainfeeder puts out is worthy of a listen if you like flylo, he owns the label, listen to samiyam and ras g
I'd recommend the first few Daedelus records, the first Jackson and his Computer Band album
and second the Prefuse rec. But I can't stress enough to get the older stuff from all these artists because for different reasons they all fell the fuck off.
In fact, I think the Prefuse pseudonym Savath + Savalas album Folk Songs for Trains, Trees and Honey would be perfect for you.
Awesome. I'll give em a listen tonight or tomorrow! EPs are very welcome. Some of my favorite releases were EPs.
Will check out Prefuse 73! I feel like my buddy showed me edIT and it was too glitchy for me to casually listen to, but it was dope regardless. I'll give it another shot though. I also really dig all those dudes. I'm from LA so I'm familiar with these guys because of Low End and similar shows.
I enjoy Daedelus still. He's a cool guy too. His newer stuff is lacking, but still a good listen. I'll check those recs out though thanks.
Thanks for the recs m8s!
Amber was hard for me to get into because it was the first album of his that I heard and I was told 'IDM' when it was way less committal than that, almost ambient-ish. I think his other albums are supposed to be different
My Top 25 Glitch/IDM/Breakcore Albums of All Time
1. Amon Tobin - Out From Out Where
2. Venetian Snares - Songs About My Cats
3. weyheyhey !! - Harlott
4. Igorrr - Nostril
5. Alva Noto - Unitxt
6. Autechre - Gantz Graf
7. Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
8. Boards of Canada - Music Has The Right To Children
9. Goreshit - Tomboyish Love For Daughter
10. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma
11. Nero's Day At Disneyland - From Rotting Fantasylands
12. Pan Sonic - Kesto (Disc One)
13. Ryoji Ikeda - Dataplex
14. Squarepusher - Hard Normal Daddy
15. Blaerg - Everything Was Altered
16. Oval - 94 Diskont
17. Sweet Trip - Velocity : Design : Comfort
18. µ-Ziq - Royal Astronomy
19. Ametsub - Linear Cryptics
20. Cyclo - Id
21. Terminal 11 - Fractured Sunshine
22. Datach'i - The Elements
23. Eero Johannes - Eero Johannes
24. Plaid - Not For Threes
25. We™ - As Is.
Go to radom.org, choose number from 1 to 25 and listen to the corresponding album from my list above
Plaid is pretty feelsy
Squarepusher and weyheyhey !! have the best rhythms (together with some Venetian Snares tracks, but in a completely different way).
the obvious rec would be aphex's selected ambient works 2
for more idm-y stuff try kid606 - ps i love you or aerovane (who is actually really great for fans of early autechre, amber in particular)
for something less idm-y and more just underrated ambient techno try vapourspace - sweep
if you want to go out limb and try some weird non-idm glitch-ambient try oval's stuff from the 90s. if you want some soft/nonabrasive stuff start with diskont and systemisch, and if you want something a bit more abrasive/timbrally interesting (and imo far superior) go for their late 90s stuff like pre-commers and ovalcommers
as far as boards of canada recs i'll just list off some artists
black moth super rainbow: not idm at all but aesthetically shares lots of similarities in their early (pre-dandelion gum) albums, would definitely recommend to boc fans regardless of it technically not being the same genre
christ.: actual former boards of canada member, won't seem too similar at first (especially from an aesthetic standpoint) but compositionally they're very similar, would also heavily recommend as essential boc-core
the seven fields of aphelion: former black moth super rainbow synth player's ambient project, slightly hit or miss but when she hits it's near perfect
bibio: early stuff sounds like boc+folk, his newer stuff (particularly ambivalence avenue) has some lo-fi synths and guitar but mostly shares compositional similarities with boards. both eras if his discography are excellent and would highly recommend
one on twoism: fan collective that make music like boc, some of it can be p great
casino vs japan and freescha: some good ambient stuff often compared to boc
obligatory tycho rec: i personally think he's shit but a lot of people like him, if you like hearing inferior copies of campfire headphase 80 times over try him
might add more as replies to this post as i can think of more
I agree with all of your BoC recs. I disagree that Tycho is shit and a TCH ripoff. The Science is a great album and came out three years before TCH, and if you dislile TPIP and Dive then I feel sorry for ya.
adding some samples
aphex twin - saw 2
kid606 - ps i love you
arovane - pe valor
vapourspace - sweep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSASPri-bNo (not the best sample but the only one on youtube)
black moth super rainbow -
start a people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmt1tYwfIRA
falling through a field: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecFLrcqSQfs
seven fields of aphelion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b_xTAhIrvs
one on twoism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDZQcdpmBHA
casino vs japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVwyB3nhwws
also don't forget to check out boc's publicly unreleased albums/mixtapes
i don't, but i just don't get the appeal of boc, they're fairly bland imo. i don't even really like squarepusher, but at least he changes it up a bit and has a wide variety of styles.
i guess i was exaggerating because i do like hi scores and a few of the more hip-hop oriented tracks off mhtrtc.
are they really that similar? boc only really sounds like a few of the tracks off amber, and desu that's part of the reason i think that's one of ae's weakest efforts (because it's too close to the ambient techno style and not as unique as some of their other stuff)
i actually don't hear much boc in incunabula besides maybe bike
>anything but a mailing list name
>>Boards of Canada
Casino Versus Japan and Freescha
the actual genres are at the bottom
breackore, a breakbeat genre
downtempo / psytrance
jazz hop / instrumental hip hop
instrumental hip hop
Why don't you just call this thread ''electronic music general' since you have techno, house, ambient, downtempo, hip hop, synthpop, breakbeat and other genres too?
IDM is the fedora of electronic music
As progressive is to the 70s and 80s, IDM is to the 90s and 00s
Was Skrillex mentioned in the mailing list?
The mailing list mentioned artists like Carl Craig and some first/second wave detroit techno acts, and honestly I wouldn't mind discussing them in "IDM" threads due to their similarities to first wave IDM, and the fact plenty of "IDM" DJ's would use detroit techno tunes in IDM mixes in the early 90's
maybe 00's, but '90s "IDM" wasn't really "fedora"
back then the music put under that label was pretty much club music that you'd be unable to dance to in a club.
yeah, it's weird. i dunno, what was considered IDM after the turn of the century was so far removed from what it originated as, that i just find the term sorta meaningless. like the breakcore/spazzy type stuff? eh. but i reckon this discussion is a bit stale :^)
>tfw you hear pic related for the first time and realize it's proto-old-tunes-BoC mixed with the best aspects of chiptune done in the most whimsical prog electronic manner possible
I know it's not IDM but what a fucking great album, can't believe I haven't checked it out until now.
god, you'd think people would have common sense in terms of what should be posted in those generals, but the last time we had a /bloop/ thread we had a bunch of people trying to post grimes and shit. i think people just like to be deliberately obtuse.
>its experimental electronic music
yeah, that's why "dance" needs to be put in there, even if it isn't necessarily easy to dance to - at least it's rooted in it (unlike musique concrete and onkyo and lowercase and contemporary classical). but then you have middle ground type stuff like glitch. there are just too many genres/subgenres for it to be so vague.
Why does everyone think IDM is a pretentious name? I always thought the intelligent bit referred to artificial intelligence, not smart people shit.
(sorry if someone already said that, haven't read thread yet)
/bleep/ doesn't hate aphex and the like though, they just hate the "list goes on" folks
no one will shit on you if you post aphex among other artists there (thus proving you have knowledge beyond the "list goes on" gang)
These threads are the same old arguments though, its only alive not because I'm bitching
early ambient techno and glitch are some of my favourite genres, pisses me off these threads are then full of 80% not IDM
is idm even a thing tho...?
like, that seems to be the main issue. what IS IDM? there isn't a concrete definition, really. even if we just go by the list, i mean fucking björk is on the mailing list and i doubt people want to talk about her in an "idm" thread.
Favorite off the first has to be The Egg - no matter how much of a "predictable" choice it is. When the scratching and chopped up vocals start up? wew, what a track.
Don't love the second one tbqh, but it's been a while. I'll have to re-listen to it. I think I rem liking the B12 tune tho.
Why do people dislike Drukqs? I fucking love it, great variation, some high tempo glitch, some downtempo. It feels like a more personal album. I just don't get it.
Just wanted to thank you for posting these samples. I hadn't heard most of them and I thoroughly enjoyed them. Unless, of course you left the thread. In which case just FUCK YOU, OKAY?
What are the different "waves" or "branches" of IDM? There is the Ambient Techno said on one hand, and there is also the Autechre-sound, and the Drill n Bass style. But what about genres like Glitch? Are they related to the genre in any way? What about albums like Cosmogramma? What are the roots of that album?
Btw, if you don't like discussing about genres, you can go fuck yourself right away.
Yeah. Xanopticon, Venetian Snares' Huge Chrome, and Richard Devine
I like Oval; everything that isn't Do While from 94 Diskont (including the bonus tracks), and some moments from Wohnton. Vladislav Delay I have heard some stuff by him, but nothing has sticked out yet. Alec Empire had some cool moments on The Destroyer, but that was a long time ago, maybe I would enjoy him more now.
>But what about genres like Glitch?
>What about albums like Cosmogramma?
>What are the roots of that album?
>Vladislav Delay, Oval
> Alec Empire
the generally accepted waves are
1st wave, aka electronic listening music, aka ambient techno, aka uk's take on detroit techno
2nd wave, jungle influences get into the genre and give birth to drill and bass, trip-hop influences the downtempo side of things at the same time
3rd wave, aka near universal adoption of glitchy gimmicks, breakcore and boc clones dominate the sound
post-3rd wave, idem is officially a shell of it's former self, dominated by furfag breakcore "musicians" and pretentious chill downtempo "artists"
this gives a rough idea I think
oh yeah and artists like flylo and amon tobin are from the camp that started getting big around the time when idm became a dirty word so they don't associate themselves with the idm movement whatsoever
i know delay, oval and empire isn't idm, but oval are definitely glitch, and alex empire pioneered breakcore, maybe including delay was wrong, i consider him to be both techno and ambient, but to call him ambient techno feels wrong
my nigga. since you're looking for more music like his, have you listened to all his stuff? he had a vinyl only release a couple of months ago that you can download somewhere on the internet. There's also "Cecilia tapes collection" which many people seem to have missed
Ardour, Estara and Collections 01 are definitely his best tho.
btw Teebs + Prefuse 73 = Sons of the Morning
>dummies listen to bleep bloops
>"I know, we'll call it """intelligent""" dance music so we can act smart"
THE FIRST TIME I MET THE DUM DUM BOYS
I WAS FASCINATED
add 1998-2002: future jazz (though tobin and squarepusher are still doing that stuff today,) 2002-current: acid revival (rdj, vibert, rephlex stuff such as wisp) and 2005-current: post-idm (ie chris clark, post-warp-signing-bibio, post-warp-signing-0pn, newer arca, etc.) and this is fully accurate
np man (and i'm fine btw, just been listening to untilted for the past 8 hours :^))
check out arovane and also a netlabel by the name of inpuj (specifically the artists ilkae, zebra, and proswell)
arovane in particular sounds like if early autechre kept developing their style from that time instead of going full-on glitchfuck with confield. most people would probably recommend his earlier stuff but honestly it sounds a bit dated, i'd say start with his 2010s stuff like ve palor and lyid skor desu
Pretty good. 1999-2002/3 was still good though. After that there have been little to no good releases.
One of the best IDM albums came in 2001, the flame was still alive then.
Future jazz originally came from detroit techno, mainly the UR guys under Galaxy 2 Galaxy. Ian O'Brien also produced the same blend of techno and future jazz, and nowadays we have artists like Cobblestone Jazz. It's not strictly and IDM genre, though there is a cross section there too.
>what are hizmi, saitone, utabi, the list goes on...
haven't checked out goto80 before though and that sample is pretty good, so thanks
Not bad, I admit. Goto80 works strictly and exclusively only on the Commodore 64 SID chip though without any accompanying instruments or production, which makes him considerably more legitimate as far as chiptunes go.
Hizmi (and I believe also Utabi for the majority of their netlabel stuff) use the Sharp X68000 for their stuff so they're legit too. Saitone has a tendency to jump around a bit though, but typically stay on gameboy with some occasional fakebit stuff.
Fair enough. The first track you linked sounds like the sounds are produced on a legit soundchip, but arranged and processed afterwards as well. Still more interesting than the general "fakebit" stuff that floats around. Those Yamaha FM chips are very interesting, kudos to those guys for exploring their capabilities. Goto80 is pretty much the best user of the SID chip currently, even though most chiptunes listeners don't find his music very approachable.
Hehe, yeah. Struck me quite a bit to hear it for the first time by surprise in its original context, didn't know where it was from. Insanely talented guy, I'd even bill him as one of the best producers currently active. Shame doesn't release much stuff... well, hasn't released for the last ten years.
Some of his more recent style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOiFWSHPFrk
You missed this one Fuck boy
i actually haven't listened to it, but going through some samples of it it sounds far closer to pure breakcore, not much of an idm sound to it at all
that being said it also sounds really a lot less shit than i expected/actually pretty great considering his other albums post-detrimentalist, gonna have to check it out in a bit
The intricacy in this album is absolutely amazing. If you don't consider th I idm then you don't know idm desu
Autechre's Evane is a fantastic album for cold winter nights
you know, it's kind of funny. i feel like that's one aspect that maybe idm should have kept when it came to other dance music - more focus on eps/singles. i can't help but notice that it's hard to find many idm albums that are consistent all the way through.
i just went on youtube and found a rip of the whole album and the part i happened to listen to sounded like detrimentalist on crack (i think the song was called amazon)
also the hip-hop influenced bit before it with his vocals doesn't sound too shabby either
poor bait man
After listening to house for the past 2 months to the point of exhaustion I finally put on some Aphex Twin and my man I have a newfound respect for this genius. It sounds more refreshing than ever.