so, now that 2015 has been over for about a month, can we have a civilized discussion about this album?
why do /mu/tants think this is a bad album? do people think that gkmc was really "better" than tpab? why do we think that this was bad?
GKMC was the second best rap album of all time behind Macadelic. TPAB was just boring. Too much soul and funk too. I don't think it was bad. Just wasn't that great. 6 maybe 7 out of 10 on a good day
>why do /mu/tants think this is a bad album?
>do people think that gkmc was really "better" than tpab?
They're on par with each other, I think it's a matter of personal tastes.
>why do we think that this was bad?
stop herding like a faggot to what the autists on this site think
GKMC was easily better than TPAB - but TPAB wasn't bad at all. TPAB just had such an immediate "impact" on culture and had way more hype. When I listened to TPAB for the first time, I thought it was pretty dope and I knew I'd have to give it a couple runs before I caught everything that Kendrick was trying to say about society, poverty traps, etc. But when I first listened to GKMC I was just amazed at how well put together the story was and how each song is individually a great track but when put together it makes this amazing story that really only takes place over the course of one night but shows the entire effect cities like Compton can have on someone's entire adolescence/life. Honestly, I think GKMC arguably had more to say, most people just didn't pick up on it because Kendrick doesn't say it as explicitly.
Surprised to hear Macadelic being held in such high regard by anyone, but I don't disagree. One of my favorite mixtapes ever, although I think Faces was overall a better project. Macadelic had more of my favorite songs on it but from start to finish wasn't as consistent.
>contrarianism applying to anything other than something "pop"
>calling slight nu-jazz conscious rap "pop rap" to insult it
listen to more of the sound a gun makes when you shoot inside your mouth
>do people think that gkmc was really "better" than tpab?
Yes it was really better. The tracks had much more replayability, actually sounded good. Didn't rely on a shitty social narrative.
>not knowing the difference between soul and jazz
listen to a little brother album. that is hip hop with a soul sound, because the producer 9th wonder only samples soul. TPAB was overwhelmingly jazz influenced. but in a more modern and polished style so it didnt sound like ATCQ or any early 90s "jazz-hop." he does a some fucking slam poetry shit over a sax solo. jazz, not soul.
and regardless, soul and jazz are both great genres. only the most whitest of white suburbanites from minnesota or north dakota would find soul or jazz "boring."
i wasn't calling it pop rap in an attempt to insult it, i called it that because that's what it is. interesting how you take it as an insult though.
also you obviously don't know what contrarianism is
Exactly. I love most genres including jazz. I LOVE jazz. But not funk or soul. The album has jazz but that's not why I said it was boring. It's bc of all the funk and soul, thus, your entire comment was misinformed, redundant, and pointless.
by this I'm assuming you mean that tpab was marketed as an album that would appeal to primarily pop listeners
I don't hear any elements of "pop" unless we're talking about the album itself and not the music that's on the album
would you say, then, that gkmc is "poppier"
Pathetic. Pop in hip hop has never meant something "popular" and everyone knows it, and if you don't know it then don't even bother answering to me. It's that sugary-EDM inspired rap with catchy choruses like B.o.B, Gambino, even Kanye do. You can pretend you are so lacking in interpretation power that you think something that is "popular" becomes "pop" but everyone is seeing through your intentions there.
And I don't have the patience to discuss the semantics of "contrarianism" with someone who finds it laughable that a genre is called by it's name because the names doesn't fit their tastes or the name is not fit for the album/genre in question because they don't like it. Whichever it is, I don't give a fuck.
its boring when its the same generic shit ripped off from other artists
its just kendrick lamar trying to seem deeper than he is and I don't even give a shit about this album either way, I don't listen to meme rap
I listen to rap that doesn't have delusions of grandeur and endorses individuality rather than the collectivism kendrick is obsessed with in the same way kanye is always trying to make a social statement than just connect with you
>look mom, I called a hip hop artist memerap when the term was actually created to shame bullshit internet rappers like Lean and Lil B just because I don't like them, I sure don't sound retarded right now
>its just kendrick lamar trying to seem deeper than he is
Can't that be said about any artist who releases anything "deep"?
>oh he's just trying to sound deep to make waves
Have you considered that all of his tapes after his K.Dot era were similarly "artificially" deep?
>cover of album is a bunch of hood rats on the white house lawn standing over the body of a white judge
>entire album is about conflict theory and "us blacks right guys?" meanwhile pandering all the marketing to white people
>kendrick lameme goes to visit obama at the white house and is all smiles
hes a meme, his music pushes an agenda, anything relating to the beats and musical composition he had help with in studio by professional musicians, pushing the meme of 'blacks have it hard and its white peoples fault' - this entire album is carefully constructed meme in the true sense of the word, capitalizing on black peoples insecurities while masquerading itself as some great piece of art and kendrick fluffing himself up acting like he's some great social critic when he's just propagating more hate between people, don't bother replying I'm not in this for the (You)s
It's literally: "We're always fucked over by america but we keep acting like niggers" - the album
You internet fags call anything that gets famous a "meme". Welcome to the real world of music, people get famous, they get talked about on tv and the internet, that's not what a meme is you fucking retard. Lil B and Yung Lean were literally just making meme images and jokes to boast their shit music to mongoloids on twitter and tumblr. Now if you can't even bother to go listen to any of the fucking tracks on that album to learn what it really is about and how much of a fuck Kendrick Lamar does NOT give about white people, you'll see that whites are not even mentioned on more than once or twice on the whole album.
Now you can go spurt more retarded assumptions by a scared trembling white 15 years old on who never heard the album before, since your species just feeds on having the last word, even if the last word is given while you're shitting yourself and coping out, or you can shut the fuck up and try to become an adult who is able to dislike things for the right reasons and not yell "MEME" at anything like a child.
>>kendrick lameme goes to visit obama at the white house and is all smiles
you wanted him to be sad or something
IMO Kenny is a better storyteller on GKMC, and it had more of an impact on hip hop music, whereas TPAB seemed to have more of a political agenda (and impact).
musically, I prefer GKMC and think it will go down as an all-time classic. but I can understand why people think TPAB is better (the p4k argument) -
on a closing note I think Money Trees is his best song by a landslide, nothing on TPAB is close for me. That track NEVER gets old. DJ Dahi really did it 2bh familia
AOTY 2015 for me. No one's trying to push the envelope as hard as Kendrick.
good kid, m.A.A.d. city and To Pimp a Butterfly are perfect pretty much in their own ways, the concepts and instrumentals on TPAB are just more future. They're incomparable in a way because they deal with two different stages in Kendrick's life and therefore the themes/ideas are different. good kid maad city was about growing up in the hood, to pimp a butterfly was about being grown up and trying to overcome personal struggle to achieve a higher purpose
Don't generalize Minnesota like that you dumb cunt.
Prince privileges revoked, faggot
No More Parties in LA was better than almost anything on TPAB.
also if we're gonna talk about pushing boundaries, especially in hip-hop, then HELLO fucking Death Grips, their album last year?? that was practically post-rap
fuck off jesus christ
they are literally the most innovate artists in hip-hop right now. Kendrick is just recycling what better artists did in the 90s. can you name a single other album that sounds like The Powers That B? especially the first half?
Rashad's dropped one EP bro...
>also if we're gonna talk about pushing boundaries, especially in hip-hop, then HELLO fucking Death Grips
Just because something is absolute shit doesn't mean it's pushing boundaries.
>pretending to like Death Grips
Holy fuck man, do you pretend to like all /mu/core? It's not because I don't "get" Death Grips that I don't like them, it's because sonically they sound like complete shit.
this whole thread sleeping on isaiah rashad
also lol dude Busdriver is wack as fuck. How can you actually listen to an entire album of that shit. Do you listen to music to actually enjoy it or what
Nobody is sleeping on Rashad, Cilvia was dope but to put him in the same breath as Kendrick after one official project is ridiculous
>inb4 hurrdurr compilation mixtapes of his shit from 5 years ago
>I see artists that fantano talked about once in other people's conversations and decide to sperg about it
We just know he would have better shit in mind about artists innovating hip hop than Macklemore, he digs a lot of interesting hip hop shit up that no one else is talking about, like Billy Woods
>I know hip hop just as much as I know a vagina (I don't) so I just attack people's lists when it's cristal clear that their knowledge of the genre is superior than mine in every way
>I act holier than thou after someone tells me to fuck off for being a retarded buzzword spurter
too retarded even for this board's standards, go find your friends at >>>/r9k/
>TPAB isn't personal at all
mac miller doesn't even have the best kraft dinner themed mixtape
truffle butter is the perfect example
hit lyrics but a super catchy beat that gets people hyped
on some real shit, fuck conscious/lyrical/intellectual hip hop
Personally, I feel like artists need to stop trying to get political. Entertain me. Thats why I buy your music.
Here for the turn up
>can you name a single other album that sounds like The Powers That B
honestly, I think that the first half of the album sounds a bit like autechre specifically in the programming. bits of the album remind me of the last half or third of confield, some of quaristice. "fuck me out," once the beat starts, sounds like the last half of lentic catachresis.
but the second half of the powers that b isn't all that boundary pushing or innovative.
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Good job OP and everyone involved, we all had a "civilized discussion" in this thread :)
What about Wesley's Theory and King Kunta? Easily the most "fun" party tracks on the album.
Whenever I show someone the album they always want me to replay those two songs after they finish.
I can relate to "How much a dollar cost?"
During my short stay on the west coast, I happened to talk with homeless, ex-prisoners. They almost always asked you if you believed in god and were able able to quote a bible verse or two. I feel like this is simply a tactic to make you feel sorry for them.
They are still hustlin and selling drugs to the ignorant. It's a bit ironic.
This picture is how I imagine white fans of Kendrick Lamar
Black people are being shot regardless of whether or not they actually committed a crime
Black people are being killed by police at over the twice the rate of white and Latino people, and are far more likely to have been unarmed at the time of their death; they are also twice as likely to have their cars searched by police, and when they're searched, they're far less likely to be found with contraband
But also not being in their shoes with their criminal past, probably making it difficult for them to get normal jobs, I can still see why they resort back to the criminal game.
/mu/ doesn't like things they feel like they're supposed to like
To Pimp a Butterfly had a lot of weird ambitions that are cool to see in rap these days. I once had a conversation with somebody where I asked "does anybody who talks about how cool the poetry elements of TPAB actually read poetry? And has anybody asked if the poetry is GOOD?"
His response was "It literally doesn't matter anon"
So there you go.
I showed the second half of "u" somebody who's been studying and writing poetry for decades, and he said there's nothing unique or interesting about what he's doing. You can decide for yourself if that's something to take into consideration.
But I believe that most would agree that it's a problem when people are too impressed by Kendrick doing things that they forget to ask if he's doing them well.
I want to love it, but I really only love "I", and even then the album version cuts off into a rando poem. the only traditionally constructed "songs" are boring and have dumb choruses and hooks. GKMC had restraint with all of these flourishes and fancies Kdot goes off on, and TPAB is pure excess.
it's subjective, TPAB got accolades from scholars of many types, the opinion of the one person you talked to doesn't necessarily mean that Kendrick isn't doing anything interesting. A lot of people would disagree
ffs it's impossible to discuss hip-hop on /mu/ since everybody just thinks that Kendrick and Death Grips are the most creative shit ever made
they're not, they recycle what other artists have done in a pop format which appeals to an audience of people who don't bother to explore more music, like the people on /mu/.
he really doesn't do anything new or interesting on TPAB, the strength of the album is almost entirely in its execution/Kendrick's strong pop sensibilities
On a positive note, this was hip hop AOTY 2015 imo
[cont.] Personally, I'm kind of a traditionalist when it comes to hip hop, and I thought that the surrealist elements like "this dick ain't free" which were definitely the most interesting parts of the album, were just filler to make the album stand out. King Kunta, These Walls, Alright, Complexion, The Blacker the Berry, and i, are all very pleasant songs to listen to.
The production is almost always great. Something about Kendrick's overly monotone delivery makes him difficult for me to listen to for long periods of time.
And there's still that weird feeling of feeling like I'm supposed to like it. Listening to any song gives me this desperate anxiety. I can't figure out when I'm being contrarian and when I have valid criticism anymore, and it's just uncomfortable.
The chorus on Complexion is horrible, and I'm not some /pol/fag saying that because it talks about taking pride in your skin color - I just mean that sonically it sounds like shit.
DG yes, not Kendrick - Kendrick is liked by so many people who don't even know who the fuck Memetano is.
Macadelic is fucking great. I wouldn't say GOAT, but it's in my personal top 20 at least. Angels, Mourning After, 1 Threw 8, Fight the Feeling, and Thoughts From A Balcony are some of my favorite songs ever - but the rest of the album isn't overly stellar. The joint with Joey was pretty cool too.
>death grips is recycled pop music
>they're not, they recycle what other artists have done in a pop format which appeals to an audience of people who don't bother to explore more music, like the people on /mu/
bruh. Do you seriously not see how cringey this post is?
Not the guy you responded to, but that seems like it's what you were implying.
>Not the guy you responded to, but that seems like it's what you were implying.
You're pretty dense, then. Are you really naïve enough to think most popular music critics have any actual knowledge of music, and that at least some of them aren't paid to give good reviews?
no, it's the recycling of ideas from other groups filled with catchy hooks. You are not a very intelligent man
nice Tumblr image btw
Is it wrong? There is nothing wrong with pop music, but calling Kendrick 'innovative' or anything is pretty ridiculous considering jazzy rap has been around for decades
Fuck no. America and vitamins are two of macs best songs better than most songs you listed. Macadelic is a spiritual experience to listen to and that's why I feel it is the goat. Maybe u disagree. Mac is my type of artist and it's my type of album
Complexion for worst song of 2015 anyone?
Nobody is innovative unless they make literal shit-tier experimental music like Death Grips.
Pretty sure America was the Joey song I was talking about, just thought of it after those first few songs. Vitamins is dope too though. I just connect with the other songs I listed more, again I fucking love the whole tape those songs I listed just really stood out to me.
>Honestly, I think GKMC arguably had more to say, most people just didn't pick up on it because Kendrick doesn't say it as explicitly.
Agreed. And I think it's a fault of TPAB that it's so ham-fisted with its messages.
again, Death Grips aren't really innovative as everything that they're doing has been done before, and they simply wear their inspirations on their sleeves with loudness, good songwriting, and catchy hooks. They're also not shit
Understandable. It's honestly I feel the greatest hip hop album of all time. No dickriding here. It has remained my favorite since it came out and I'm still not even close to bored with it. That is a testament to its unappreciated greatness. If I may mention, I wasn't even a Mac fan until the mixtape dropped, only furthering my argument. Not really an argument tho, I guess I mean my opinion towards the mixtape.
>They're also not shit
Won't argue that they aren't good songwriters - because they obviously aren't. They COULD write good songs, they just choose to make their songs sound like cacophony.
Because it's an enjoyable album but the message is retarded. It's just hurrr duurrrr racism is bad. Jesus, he talks about how skin color doesn't matter, but then later talks about how he blaims whites for his problems and it's their fault.