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Who is your favorite right-wing musician?
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>>61910721
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Ted Nugget
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Does Varg count as right wing? He is more of a Nazi 2bh
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Probably Deathstars - they're as right wing as you can go, even to the point of dressing up as Nazis.

That being said, I don't base my musical preference on politics.
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Hitler and the Nazis were left wing, but whatever. The Jews wanted to get them as far away from communism as possible. Technically National Socialism is far left.
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>>61910979
nazis are centrist
you take the far left stuff (socialism) with the far right stuff (nationalism) and you put em together and you land in the middle, maybe a tiny bit right leaning 2bh.
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>>61911074
Nazis aren't real socialists, 2bh.

It's just "satiate the masses, so you can keep your dictatorship running", It's far-right.
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>>61911074
That makes no fucking sense, idiot. The right-left scale is the size of government. It has nothing to do with nationalism. By your logic communism is also centrist/center-right.

Jesus christ, you fucks have been reading Jewish news for too long.
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>>61910964
>Nationalist Socialists
>must be left wing
I guess the People's Republic of China isn't communist, then
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>>61911161
Oops, meant
>>61910979
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First pick: Wagner
Second pick: Johnny Ramone

Honorable follow up: Ian Stewart Donaldson
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Why are they always either liberals or neo-nazis? Fucking hell, aren't there any moderate-right musicians?
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>>61910756
He is a lefty m8
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>>61911127
Do Anarchists are far right then?

You're a moron.
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>>61911127
>left and right is a division of the size of government
Lol you know nothing about politics.
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ian curtis
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>>61911203
>First pick: Wagner
Based

>>61910929
>dose cute lil titties

>>61910721
Don't care much but christian references are comfy
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>>61911755
Joy Division weren't right-wing, they just employed Nazi and fascist imagery to get attention and stand out when they were first starting.
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>>61911264
yea, the most absolute trash-tier musicians
I imagine modern country to be like that
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>>61911264
Pop-country and Christian rock are usually moderate-right.
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>Far right
>capable of artistic expression
lol
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>>61911658
last i check they were just all out libertarians, so yes
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>>61912672
This man.
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>>61912777
Anarcho-capitalists are but they aren't true anarchists. Anarchists are against all hierarchies they see as harmful, capitalism being one of them. Actually anarchy is socialist and a far left ideology.
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>>61911755
He voted for Thatcher m8.
You don't have to be a fucking full Nazi to be right wing.
Joy Division have some leftish sounding songs, I.E. They Walked In Line, which is really just anti war.
Most of their stuff is pretty apolitical but they're not liberals.

Also, when did they employ Nazi imagery? Wearing button down shirts and using monochrome?
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>>61912626
OHHHH I FORGOT ABOUT THEIR DEBUT EP.
FUCK THERE'S A HITLER YOUTH RIGHT ON IT.
Yeah that was just imagery, it doesn't seem like they were trying to be edgy or even ironic.
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>>61910721
>right wing
>marries a black woman

Yeah, not buying it.

>>61910756
Again, he's a huge Nina Simone fan.
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>>61914187
>Actually anarchy is socialist and a far left ideology.

>this is what teenagers and Eurotrash actually believe
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>>61914248
>Again, he's a huge Nina Simone fan.
Well, who isn't?
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>>61911127
>The right-left scale is the size of government. It has nothing to do with nationalism.
holy shit
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>>61910979
dumb
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oslgaO3_fno
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>>61911074
You're kind of right on. Historians have often referred to National Socialism as "the extremism of the center" -- that is, property rights and the free market is left largely intact, yet everything is subordinated to the needs of the state.
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>>61914248

Not all right-wingers are racist you know.
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>>61914972
>anarchy is socialist and a far left ideology
Do you know nothing of the history anarchism. An-cap bullshit is literally a recent frakenstein's monster of an ideology with no real serious philosophers or seminal works behind it.
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>>61915563
You do realize you could marry a nonwhite person and still be racist?
Not to mention the fetishization.
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>>61916095
Samefriend here.
And Bowie probably wasn't right wing whatsoever.
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>>61916034
I'm not talking about An-cap, I'm talking about Individualist Anarchism and post-left Anarchism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Abolition_of_Work
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>>61914206
The name itself for one thing. Idk about any others, maybe google it
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>>61910721
>right wing

Not saying that homos can't be right wing but.
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>>61915563
Yes they are.
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>>61916198
Bowie was a fascist Nazi in his Thin White Duke phase. Lefty the rest of his life though. He hated and was fascinated by America for its capitalism and individualistic rhetoric.
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>>61916144
>post-left
>sites kropotkin as a major influences
>is critical of the left but by his own admission still espouses a hybrid of anarcho-communism as the end goal

Congratulations, you played yourself.
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>>61910979
>Hitler and the Nazis were left wing
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>>61916303
>Individualist capitalism
>Nazism

pick one
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>>61916303
>Mfw this was in the late 70's while Bowie had drug habits
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>>61916381
Are you even capable of reading a whole post, or is your attention span just that Americanly short?
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>>61916484
wrong picture haha i wanted the autism one lmao
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>>61916198
but?

but?

But nothing, little boy; pic related

>>61916303
>Lefty the rest of his life
Wrong, he claimed to be apolitical for the rest of his life and maintained a mixture of left and right wing views
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>>61916511
Idiocy and self-embarrassment on such a spectacular level is pretty cringeworthy.
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>>61916237
>Every single right-wingers is intolerant and bigoted
Seriously, listen to yourself for one moment. Don't respond to me. Don't think of a reply. Just go back, reread your post, and think about the logic behind what you are saying.
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>>61916539
Oh yeah? When was the last time the Log Cabin Republicans spoke at a Republican National Convention or had any input whatsoever on the Republican party's opinions? Oh yeah, never. Also they endorsed Romney in 2012, so
>self-hating gays who believe Abraham Lincoln was gay and that's why they're gay Republicans
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>>61916034
It really is scary how popular culture can lead you to being such a dumb fuck, yet make you think the things you say are so self-evident that you are convinced you are right. Anarchism has never been rightwing, even the individualist like Stirner hated the left and traditions. Also, libertarian has never mean extreme capitalist, it was a phrase used by anarchist(left) when the word anarchist became too hot to handle. Hang yourself m8
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>>61916539
Wrong again. Bowie perfected his self-image to the point where anyone could say anything about what he is or isn't and they'd be right.
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>>61916676
hated the right and traditions*
fuck
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>>61916676
>libertarian has never mean extreme capitalist
So the Koch brothers are the world's richest socialists? Wat. Please explain this line of thinking.

I'm not the idiot guy you are replying to, just so you know and don't say some stupid shit, and actually think about what you reply with.
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>>61916676
Hello, this is that anon. Work on your reading comprehension I'm agreeing with you. Fucks sake the person to coin the term libertarian was a French communist.
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>>61916643
Just to clarify: do you recognize that the earlier post was wrong and realize that virtually thousands of gay people around the world hold right-wing political views?

Because I didn't see you acknowledging that in your post. I saw a bunch of irrelevant shit that had absolutely nothing to with the topic at hand.
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>>61916676
American Libertarianism got hijacked by Ayn Rand and her whole twisted school of thought, it was previously associated with Thoreau and Lysander Spooner.
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>>61916866
Right wing homosexuals hate themselves and want themselves to be subjugated just to preserve their shitty nationality's traditions.
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>>61916943
You seem to be mentally incapable of realizing that a person can hold conservative views on one policy and liberal views on another. Have nice afternoon, bigot. Please look that word's definition btw
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>>61917156
I know what a bigot is, but it's okay to be a bigot to righties. The ones who support it, like Libertarians, use homosexuality as their "look guys, we can be liberal too!" buzz topic to attract young people who are naturally liberal, and then they turn around and say poor, homeless elderly people are lazy and don't deserve a basic income or health insurance or food.
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>>61911264
Two best political ideologies make the two best music.
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>>61910721
>Bowie
>right wing

Bowie didn't give a shit about politics, he only played on the fascist shtick while he was fucking coked up his mind.
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>>61917456
But these morons will keep coming back, day in day out, saying the same old crap. Must suck to have no real life.
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>>61917218
>young people who are naturally liberal
where does this meme come from? nat soc since like 15 here, all my friends were right wing too.
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>>61916775
oh shit responded to the wrong guy
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>>61916775
fuck im useless...
The "i responded to the wrong guy" was meant for >>61916793
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>>61917620

I don't know they probably grew up middle class suburb where that is true, working class here everyone is conservative or libertarian, doesn't matter the age.
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>>61917620
lol
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>>61917862
L O L
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>>61910756
He dresses like an old money southerner but I honestly can't imagine Gira holding any right wing beliefs what with his history of No wave/meth/multiple marriages/avant grade art etc etc.
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>>61917218
>naturally liberal

No such thing. You are what your environment dictates with regards to politics.
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>>61917901
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>>61917620
Sounds like a shitty place. I bet you felt a great deal of brotherhood and camaraderie with those people too. That's how they get you.

>>61917838
The working class is deluded and lied to by corporate conservative news entertainment, and their confirmation bias has such a grip over their minds that they can't possibly accept it when a liberal does something that makes a place better than it was before. That's why there are still right-wing middle class people in the United States when the right wing has done nothing in their interest whatsoever.
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>>61911127
Actually the left-right scale is used to measure all kinds of different shit by different people.
Some use it to measure size of government and some use it for other stuff.
It's just absolutely useless.
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>>61917920
people confuse liberalism with compassion sometimes I think
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>>61917373
i wish
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>>61917970

I don't know what you mean by working class, middle class and working class are completely different to me. Middle class are mostly liberal things like teachers, office workers, mangers, etc. When I say working class I mean welders and mechanics.

The reason why so many working class are conservative is because whether you like it or not illegal immigration have hit these jobs hard and even though pay increases would be nice having a job in the first place would be better.

Of course the fault is with the companies hiring illegal work for next to nothing, but the government is also letting these things happen.
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>>61916775
Koch brothers are really good at being capitalist.
Socialism is a political ideology based on the idea of workers control of the means of production(factories , farms, land etc). Socialism is inherently anti-capitalist.
Anarchism is opposed to hierarchy.
Most anarchists agree with socialist on the comunal ownership aspect, those who dont are called individualists(there are also minor quirks like market socialist.

Marx used the terms Communist and socialist interchangeably, but nowadays it is fashionable to think that leninism=communism and social democracy= socialism(Bernie for example). It is also popular to think that any sort of state intervention is socialist, but socialist do not want massive state, they want the present state of things(capitalism) abolished, and the state is a means to do so.
Marx defined communism as statelesss and classless, like a collectivist anarchy.
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>>61918046
Not the guy
But i think he means proletariat, as in people who sell their labor for a wage. Both welders and teachers do so.
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>>61917970
>I bet you felt a great deal of brotherhood and camaraderie with those people too. That's how they get you.
>not seeing the irony when the mantra of the left has been "workers of the world, unite and rise up, we are one people" etc
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>>61917981
>It's just absolutely useless.
Oh finally, someone in this thread with more than 2 brain cells to rub together.

Right and left divide is meaningless. The only thing that matters is social authoritarianism and its degree of control over the individual.
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>>61918146
Comaraderie through common struggles as workers. Natsocs only have traditions, which are inherently bullshit and expendable.
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>>61918191
i don't agree with that
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>>61918185
>Economic systems do not matter
fuck off
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>>61910956
this guy made some of the best rock song I've ever heard! I am talking about his guitar riffs etc I don't care much for his racist lyrics really. Although his "House of Treason" song etc makes perfect sense about the government giving lots of free money to refugees yet allow so many who have grown up in their own country to go homeless or quite poor with not much income.

BUT yeah his guitar solos and everything were amazing! I watched an interview with the guitarist Stigger who was with the band for a few years (my favorite era of their music: Freedom What Freedom, Strong Survive) and he said all the guitar writing was done by Ian himself.

So I salute Ian Stuart tremendously with all the songs he wrote! All of them are kickass catchy.

I loved how they started out as a punk band, and then experimented with hard rock and metal.

Here is my Skrewdriver CD Collection.
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>>61918250
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>>61918215
why so?
Natsocs only have common heritage bullshit like nationalism, culture and bloodlines. Those things change all the time.
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>>61917911
>meth
(not true btw)
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>>61918226
Economic systems are degrees of social control and are inevitably tied to means of governance.
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>>61918046
The Republican-legislated government. They have corporate interests in mind, and hiring illegal workers saves corporations money, so of course they aren't going to do anything about it.

I mean working class by middle class, "proletariat" would be a better word, basically anyone whose only "marketable skill" is their labor value, but I'm not really a very big Marxist. I grew up in a working family. No office workers or anything like that. Been in poverty my whole life, used to be a hardcore libertarian until some point where I realized those people are fucking stupid and their overuse of nationalistic rhetoric is despicably base and tasteless. I prefer tasteful rhetoric that actually talks about doing good for more than just the individual, and that questions the current way things are rather than blind patriotism.
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>>61918271
um whats ur point?

I was just stating how great I respect their music instrumentally and dont care much about it politically.

btw their One In A Million over is so much better than the Guns and Roses version!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e8bgp4xem0
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>>61918311
So is private property authoritarianism or liberty of the people?
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>>61918327
>libertarian
>nationalistic rhetoric
>wants to choose a political system based on how warm and fuzzy the rhetoric makes you
You're just talking out of your ass, aren't you?
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>>61911110
Far right would be anarchy, not fascism.
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>>61918274
they change because of lefty fucking progressive shits (or jews) force them to change.
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>>61918430
No it would not be, in any way. Right wing either means very traditionalist or very capitalist , and neither of those are anarchist.
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>right wing
>posts a nazi

Jesus just fuck off you fucking edgy pre-teen.
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>>61918438
No they dont, they change with time like they always have. Peoples have come and gone for as long as there have been people. Where are the Hns or lattgalians? Did the sjws or jews make them extinct?
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>>61918146
The whole workers of the world thing is melodramatic, but mostly accurate. Workers still do not earn a means to live in the United States, without working unfair hours, at least by the standards of other nations. We're a nation of poor people being lied to, and the big lie is that our companies aren't making enough money to pay us a living wage, and doing so would destroy our economy.
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>>61918472
Nazism is not a right wing ideology. That vulgar shit belongs on the left.
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>>61918389
Authoritarianism.

Personal property is the only real form of property.
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>>61918489
How fucking stupid are you that you can't even recognize the nazis as being right wing?

Are you LITERALLY retarded?
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Right and left wing are a myth. A badly forced meme all the way from the french revolution. The political issues are entirely different these days and trying to split the complex world of politics on this bipolar axis is simply a way to make politics more a sport than a serious subject.
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>>61918558
But it does not, they are deeply traditionalist, reactionary and hierarchical
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>>61918438
man this is something i just dont get.... if the left wing is all about this tolerance and PC stuff then why do they wanna import people who practice the most socially backwards religion in the world en masse?? makes no sense
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>>61917218
If lefties had their way, in 20 years the federal government would dictate the way you wipe your ass. Sounds like utopia to me
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>>61918585
Public or communal property are not things anymore?
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>>61918421
If you can't see the deliberate humor there then there's no wonder you're a Nazi.
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>>61918610
>nazis
>traditionalist

Good god fuck off.
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>>61918643
>this is what libertarians actually believe
Do you not see how crazy what you are saying is? I'm not saying "it can't happen here", but I am saying it WOULD happen here if the right wingers in the United States had control. The majority of Republican voters seriously want to make us a Christian theocracy. Libertarians say they don't, but buddy buddy around with the people who do, so why would I believe them?
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>>61918615
Lefties are not about PC, thats a modern liberal thing(liberals are center). Leftist are pro-worker and anti hierarchical.
>>61918643
The lefties in the states are really just center or center left, but they seem left because of your insanely rightwing political culture. Far-left dont care about your shit, they care about workers and property.
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>>61918250
Hell yes yes
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>>61918472
No, right wing means limited federal government and free market.
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>>61918682
SO they dont put great value on tradition? I dont get it. I get that they were revolutionary, but they still upheld their new traditions very strictly.
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>>61918662
Property is only something that people use. If a person does not use something they don't really own it.

Commons are owned by no one.
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>>61918746
But then where are the people who do not want free market or goverment? Anarchists have never been center.
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>>61918798
Comunal property is not private and are still being used.
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>>61918733
I don't care what the left thinks is important, I care about the means in which they set out to attain those goals, by continuing to empower federal government.
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>>61918815
I don't understand what you're left with without government or a free market. A bartering community, I guess
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>>61918878
THere are no leftist partys in America. Democrats are center. The far-left does not want to increase the goverment, it wants to abolish it
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>>61918910
You are left with communism. Communism is defined as a stateless, classless(so no capitalism) society
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>>61918914
I'm pretty far left, but I want to empower the government as a tool for the people of the country to gain new rights and mobility, not as a ruling body.
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>>61912571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi7YX31qt00

this guy is all god
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>>61918873
Using is not necessarily owning either.
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>>61919008
Are you anti-capitalist? If not then you are not far left. If so then i guess you are some sort of socialist, which is fine
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>>61910821
Of course Mike Love would be a Reagan fan.
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>>61919008
And I want to do cocaine everyday without getting addicted
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>>61918914
Abolish it and replace it with what then?
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>>61914248
but I'm right wing and I am a black person
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>>61919069
Bruce Johnston called Obama a "fucking joke".

>>61919043
Pretty anti-capitalist, if supporting heavily mixed markets with lots of regulation on industry is 'anti-capitalist'. I'm against the capitalist class, I guess. Workers can't truly be capitalists because they have no capital, and I think this is something that workers here tend to not realize.
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>>61919214
So you believe in a free market then? thats right wing
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>>61919162
>replace it
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>>61919261
Certainly not a free market, but a market nonetheless. Planned economies have a bit of trouble working in reality.
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>>61919276
You can continue to be a dick if you like, or you could explain something to me that I don't entirely understand.
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>>61911110
>>61911127
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Position
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>>61918294
he's said in an interview he's been smoking meth since he was 13
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>>61914248
>if you're right wing that means you're 100% racist
retard
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>>61919354
He said he was huffing gas and got addicted to barbiturates through his teen years. He doesn't use still either.
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>>61918382
>btw their One In A Million over is so much better than the Guns and Roses version!
That's like saying vomit smells better than dogshit.
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>>61916237
Correct. Just like every democrat is a tranny.
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>>61918472
so an african society that's been observing the same "you have to get these scars to become part of the tribe" tradition for hundreds of years is less anarchic than china when it was trying to erase the "four olds"
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>>61910756
I love Ted Nugent too
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>>61918555
You need to get outside of the US if you think this. I'm not saying that the current system isn't incredibly unjust, but we are comparatively RICH to many other countries.
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>>61916891
You're not wrong, about the sentiment of your post but you'd be hard pressed to find american thinkers more thoroughly individualistic than Thoreau and Spooner who were not explicitly anarchists. Individualist anarchists like Tucker and Greene quoted Spooner almost more often than they quoted their direct ideological forebears.
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>>61918472
Freedom of association is an incredibly anarchistic value, and a completely unregulated market is its fullest expression. There are obvious ideological conflicts with the concept of property in any theoretical anarchistic society, but property, and hence capital, is not de facto mutually exclusive with anarchism, and is all but required by adherence to freedom of association. There are whole traditions of anarchist theory built around the concept.
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