Holy fuck what a god-awful piece of shit. Loading an album with a bunch of half-assed genres is never a good idea. It's not easy for a 45-minute long album to feel like it stretches on for hours, but this certainly pulls it off. This is a glorified System of a Down/Red Hot Chili Peppers mashup for avant-teens who haven't quite outgrown those shit bands. In what world are people impressed by this abysmal trash.
Fuck off Montie
California is a masterpiece and an objective 10/10
Someone explain their opinion without some awful meme response or I'll (correctly) assume that fans of this album are literal manchildren. It's babby's first experimental.
The album perfectly sums up why Mr. Bungle is a cult classic band. It has interesting Pop songs that sound unique but are still accessible but not boring or cliche. There's a happy middle ground met with this album that's hard to describe.
Great production as well, lots of different instruments and tempo/key changes throughout. Songs shift and move through different genres without feeling forced or unnatural. It's an album that sounds different and constantly introduces something new every corner but remains consistent all through out.
It's a great album IMO
I already have. I just relistened to it for the sake of defending my points. There's a couple of okay tracks I guess, but the friggin' genre mashing and overblown atmosphere is just irritating.
Thanks for the reasonable, thought-out response. I agree that it's accessible, not boring and not a cliche, but these traits aren't automatically positives. I can see why this album would be enjoyed by people just getting into music, but I can't see any traits beyond that worth proclaiming this album as fantastic as many people do. I guess same thing with OK Computer.
First of all, you obviously can't formulate your opinion for shit if you just keep repeating the same statement without elaborating.
Second, dude, I'm not montie. I can give you a timestamp if you want. I don't follow trips at all; I couldn't even tell you what any trip here enjoys as far as music goes.
Honestly, I do this with every Mike Patton project because they're all such shit. I do the same thing with The Beatles, Tom Waits, Elvis Costello, Nick Cave, etc. It's not that those artists are so bad (necessarily) but that the people who are enthusiastic about them are usually (re always) complete fucking idiots. Tool, Death Grips, etc.
My life ends up working out better if I can avoid the dipshits all together.
Don't kill the messenger
>mr bungle is good
I'm sorry, but you can justify this opinion or you can't. I'm putting my money on "can't".
Prove me wrong though. I'll wait.
I like Mr. Bungle and there's nothing you can do to stop me
>he doesn't enjoy the musicianship
>he doesn't enjoy Patton's wide range of vocal styles and... well, wide range
>he doesn't enjoy the tasteful mashing of genres together
>he doesn't enjoy FUN
It's an objective fact that anyone that uses the "fun" buzzword as a legitimate praise is an idiot.
>I like Mr. Bungle and there's nothing you can do to stop me
>As if that was an argument itself
>thinking time signatures are a sign of good musicianship
>range != automatic good
>thinking time signatures are a sign of good musicianship
When did I say that
>range != automatic good
Patton can do multiple styles of vocals well and has a wide range. If that doesn't make a good vocalist, I don't know what does
>When did I say that
Then what musicianship were you referring to exactly? The only way in which it differed from any other '90s alt. buttrock band is quick tempo and time signature changes.
>Patton can do multiple styles of vocals well and has a wide range. If that doesn't make a good vocalist, I don't know what does
Sure, he's a talented vocalist, but that doesn't suddenly elevate the "goodness" of a band. Fucking Axl Rose has the largest range in popular music.
And we're not going back and forth on that last point. To elaborate, it just seems like a competition among the band to see how many weird genres they could put in, e.g., surf cabaret or whatever.
No, the point of this thread was to explain why I thought it was awful and for people to explain why they liked it, which I have received from exactly one comment.
That is OP/me. Still not montie.
>Then what musicianship were you referring to exactly?
Each band members ability to play a bunch of different genres and play them well. Seriously, each one is good in their own right
>it just seems like a competition among the band to see how many weird genres they could put in
Yup, and they do it well
I'd normally put their s/t on top, but I've been realizing how much tighter California is. DV was pretty meh to me
Had the same thing happen to me with The Unnatural World, I didn't realize Emptiness will eat the Witch was a thing
Dead Goon has one of the funkiest basslines of all time. Trevor Dunn is so underrated, both as a bass player and a songwriter
Buttrock wasn't the best descriptor there. I renounce that point. My bad.
Again, technical ability doesn't suddenly make a band enjoyable. Many metal bands are technically proficient and still shit.
>Yup, and they do it well
I was right, for the record.
Their production is the antithesis of overblown, they sound nothing like SOAD or RHCP or their ilk, they don't attempt genre mashups, and they're decidedly *un*technical. Anyway, I get why people don't like the Butthole Surfers anyway, so that point is moot.
>technical ability doesn't suddenly make a band enjoyable.
Jesus Christ, I realize doing one thing well doesn't make the band good overall, but don't keep asking for reasons for why I like a band and then go "well this one singular thing doesn't make them good, well this other singular reson doesn't make them good, well this other one thing you mentioned doesn't make them good". It's a culmination of reasons, and I gave plenty already.
Mr bungle is much more than technical proficiency though. Listen to a track like Retrovertigo or Pink Cigarette, hell even Sweet Charity. Great melodies, interesting lyrics, lush instrumentation and creative song structures.
I just had to pry it out of you over the course of a dozen comments or whatever stemming from a literal "I like them and that's all there is to it" comment.
They do, this thread being my ample amount of evidence.
>They do, this thread being my ample amount of evidence.
Honestly, if I wanted to feel patrician, I'd just post some standard /mu/core and let everyone jerk one out on me. Bringing up anything else is a surefire way to not feel patrician.
Mr. Bungle is sub-/mu/core across the board, friend.
What the fuck is ironic text speak, holy shit this is rich.
>also stock pictures stopped being funny a long time ago too
>Mentioning RHCP In a Patton thread
What's next a Wolfmother fan?
I completely agree with this. All the Mr. Bungle albums are like this. California particularly shows their more "serious" side for lack of a better word. The sense of humor was seemingly gone on that album, but that worked great as the band's farewell. Songs like Retrovertigo, The Air-Conditioned Nightmare, Vanity Fair, and Sweet Charity all have strong melodies but interesting styles all on their own. California simply manages to stay fresh and interesting through the end and by being 43 or so minutes long it doesn't overstay its welcome. On one hand I think it's a perfect introductory album into the band's discography, but on the other hand it sounds so different from the other two albums that it could give new listeners the wrong impression of what the band always sounded like. But that's the beauty of Mr. Bungle. All their albums are different, and they called it quits after three albums before their songwriting ever got stale.
I figure most MB fans either think s/t is either their best or their worst. I rarely see it ranked in the middle. I think the obnoxiousness and weird sense of humor on that album is either the biggest turn on or turn off for most fans depending on the listener.
is this a montie hate thread
look at what hes listening to fucking lol his autism skype friends are telling him to listen to negativeland and shit and he
could so see montie enjoying negativland so much that he gave their album a 3 and a half star /s
I can see why a lot of people would dislike this album, but I feel that the songs transition into different genres smoothly and in a way that doesn't feel forced.
I also like the fact that I can play this album to anyone from my best mate to my dad in the car and they can both enjoy it without feeling alienated by its experimental nature.
I agree that for a 40 minute album it does feel a lot longer, but I suppose that could be a positive for some...
Though compared to the other Mr Bungle albums this one is probably my least favorite.