ITT: Overrated artists who were not influential at all but who many normies consider to have been influential
Normies only give him credit for his most mundane work, which is probably why you think he's overrated. Meanwhile, his mid 90's output - arguably his best work, most ambitious work - is completely ignored. I think he just said fuck it after that and quit playing songs once their respective tour was over. He's really underrated, except for the fact that his name is Neil Young and he's made country hits. Aside from that, his most intriguing work gets little acclaim. But, because he has these popular songs he's made, he doesn't have the luxury of being dubbed "underrated." So he's kind of fucked.
Can you find some copies of records which they copied? There were none. A handful of uncredited lyrics. If they stole their songs...why didn't those songs become popular when the "original" artists wrote them? Led Zeppelin did virtually no covers. The Stones and Beatles did a lot of them.
Just because normies like them doesn't make them bad. For some reason, they were never able to able to keep it together for an entire album (like, what the hell were Black Dog and Rock & Roll doing on IV? That's like if Yes's Close to the Edge started off with an Elvis cover.) But aside from at least one throwaway song making it onto each album they made, they were pretty incredible. Houses of the Holy is basically a perfect album.
>his mid 90's output - arguably his best work, most ambitious work - is completely ignored
You misspelled "late 80s to mid-90s" but are otherwise correct.
Also his retard push for an overpriced mp3 player was a sign he lost his fucking mind.
>If they stole their songs...why didn't those songs become popular when the "original" artists wrote them? Led Zeppelin did virtually no covers
> Zep's "When the Levee Breaks" was always a blues tune; Magic Slim just returns it to its Delta roots
4chan is an 18+ site, child
Neil is one of those hippie/boomer era guys who caught a second wind in the 90s mainly because the alternative bands (esp. Pearl Jam) worshiped him and introduced him to new kids. And also his style of music was fashionable again while it seemed completely antediluvian in the slicked-back, technology-centered 80s.
Metallica is one of the most influential bands of all time. Pretty much every metal band after them cites them as an influence. And their influence stretches far beyond metal, look at Justice for example.
GnR, Aerosmith etc
Megadeth, Anthrax, Wolfmother, Rick Rubin etc
Literally the most directly influential band of all time
The social atmosphere changed as well. The Reagan years marked a resounding rejection of the 1960s and all that it stood for. Anyone associated with that period like Dylan, Baez, and Young were completely uncool. The Clinton years were different; a lefty draft dodging hippie was in the White House so the 60s got viewed with more rose tinted glasses.
As Bubba said himself, "If you think the 60s did more good than harm, you're probably a Democrat. If you think the 60s did more harm than good, you're probably a Republican."
Yeah but the most influential Stones album was probably EOMS which was one of the unfortunate ingredients in hair metal/buttrock.
" According to Mick Wall's book Black Sabbath: Symptom of the Universe, Butler was dead set against the song because he thought it too closely resembled Led Zeppelin's "Communication Breakdown", with the bassist admitting, "I thought it was so much like that we couldn't possibly get away with it ... They were our favorite band by that time."
No Zeppelin, no Sabbath as we know it
I agree. Springsteen cites as his main influences Chuck Berry, Bob Dylan, and Roy Orbison. However, I can't think of a notable artist who said that Bruce was an influence on them.
Nice strawman but that doesn't rebutt my point. You said Zepellin pioneered heavy metal, but here it just says that Zepellin influenced Sabbath. So what if they did? That doesn't mean that they also influenced the genre by extension.
>That doesn't mean that they also influenced the genre by extension.
Clearly it does. They influenced pretty much everyone in metal/hard rock: Metallica, Black Sabbath, Queen, Van Halen, AC/DC, Guns n' Roses, QoTSA, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Soundgarden etc. Pretty much every popular hard rock band after them and a shit load of metal as well
Kek. I found this butthurt Tipper Gore book from the 80s "Raising (PG)-rated kids in an X-rated society" which devotes entire chapters to the evul effects that meal had on your teenager. And aside from citing obviously metal artists like Ozzy and Metallica, the book includes AC/DC, Motley Crue, and other bands that are actually hard rock under the collective label of "heavy metal".
I doubt people like Tipper Gore actually cared enough to learn about the distinction between hard rock and metal, though I'm a little bit kek-ing at Xgau's review of Shout At The Devil where he says "It should be no surprise that this platinum product is utter dogshit even by heavy metal standards." because I assume he'd have somewhat more musical knowledge than the PMRC.
No, he isn't.
Nobody wants to play or write songs like Neil Young.
They all want to play like Clapton or Hendrix, or write songs like Dylan. When the topic of Neil Young comes up, everybody says "oh, I like a couple of his songs", and they all mention the same things-Into The Black, Heart of Gold. Cinnamon Girl, and Rockin' in the Free World.
Beyond that, literally nobody cares.
If you'd told James Hetfield in 1986 that Motley were "metal", he'd laugh you out of the building. Hell no, Metallica spent an entire decade or close to it shitting on glam rock bands every chance they got.
It's always white guilt autists who will post a copypasta list of generic blues songs that (surprise) sound vaguely similar to the blues-rock of early Zep.
Even what's supposed to be heir most blatant plagiarism case, Stairway to Heaven, sounds absolutely nothing like the song it supposedly ripped off.
The influence me into wanting to kill myself every time I hear an Eagles song, but that's about it.
Doobies and REO kind of encapsulated the more rednecky heartland of 1970s America. They appealed to a large part of the country that didn't connect with the New York and LA music scenes where androgynous glam wardrobes and punk rock dominated.
Influence doesn't always mean make songs like them. Listen to his rhythms, some wood say they are similar to that of pink Floyd. Alot of people started to use those bouncy rhythm types after their stuff in the early 70's.
His introspective and narrative lyrics have influenced song writers like Elliot Smith and sun kil moon.
I mean I could probs go on, but surly you get where I am coming from. You don't have to copy a style to say it gave you influence.
>They all want to play like Clapton or Hendrix
Or Page or Eddie Van Halen.
Strange though how few guitarists cite Keith Richards as an influence. The Holy Pantheon of Guitar Gods seems to be Hendrix/Clapton/Page/EVH.
Thsts because they can only compare it to music they are exposed too. When I was a true pleb I thought the same thing. Now if you asked me who a great guitarist was, I'd cite some of those guys as well as guitarists from mogwai, gybe, tortoise, Dave whoever from darkside, my bloody valentine ect, wes Montgomery... The list goes on...
I just assume that's why they say that, because to the untrained/pidgeon holed ear, that's all they have to compare.
Rage Against the Machine
Tom Morello's guitar tone was pretty unique and they mashed rap and rocl better than anyone else but I can't think that they influenced that many bands. Those they did probably sucked hard.
>Literally the most directly influential band of all time
Yeah, they broke the ground for every other band that has come since that didn't have the skill to write their own music and had to steal their work from lesser known artists.
I don't know if they invented it but they probably made it more popular than it ever would have been
Phish, Widespread Panic etc wouldn't be around if it weren't for the Dead but these aren't exactly household names
Reminder that the terms hard rock and heavy metal are actually not interchangable.
The only metal bands in that list are Metallica, Sabbath, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. The rest are hard rock. Stop diverting the conversation
So what if they influenced Sabbath? You said they influenced heavy metal as a genre, I said Sabbath influenced metal more than Zepellin, then you say that Zepellin influenced Sabbath. That doesn't mean they influenced metal directly, by that logic Chuck Berry was influential to the genre too.
I didn't say they were interchangeable. I said they influenced both hard rock & heavy metal.
Unlike Chuck Berry, Led Zeppelin DID actually influence a lot of metal bands i.e. Black Sabbath, Metallica, Judas Priest etc. Your logic is strawman
Yes, but they only influenced a handful of metal bands that happened to be influential in their work too. They were not influential to the genre directly, only by extension. Therefore Chuck Berry would also work using the same logic.