And Amnesiac and Heroes are both better
Amnesiac is the one album I never understood the contrarian love for on here. It's objectively mediocre as all fuck and inferior to 3 other Radiohead albums, and yet it has become an album whose only fans are people trying to get babby's first /mu/ indie points. There is nothing about it that is better than Kid A, OKC, or In Rainbows, and none of those albums are great either
Heroes is built around a Krautrock beat for a start. Weeping Wall is more like a Steve Reich piece than anything. Blackout and V-2 Schneider are strongly Krautrock influenced too.
3 kicks and a snare does not a krautrock beat make. Fripp's guitar in particular kills any kraut vibe that would be in the song.
Steve Reich is not too far out from Faust, I would say.
I was just thinking about posting here about those amazing drones from Heroes. I am looking for this in music now. Is Brian Eno into such things since he did that for those albums? I never listened to his solo work.
Also anything similar to those two albums in the way of mixing guitar and electronics into one long mind-penetrating chants?
>3 kicks and a snare does not a krautrock beat make.
That's literally the motorik beat. What are you talking about?
>Fripp's guitar in particular kills any kraut vibe that would be in the song.
How does it?
I don't hear it, but alright. Low is easily more experimental, so it feels more kraut to me, not to mention there's a larger presence of world music on Heroes that feels very antithetical to krautrock.
Honestly I wouldn't ever call either record krautrock. Station to Station sure, but even there the soul music starting from Young Americans carried more weight.
>It's objectively mediocre as all fuck
What exactly do you mean by this? Genuinely interested.
Try being more articulate in your subjective opinion and your arguement against the record will be far, far more persuasive than the dunderheaded crybaby retard "objective" rhetoric.
"Hurrrr these sounds are way worse than these sounds!!!1"
Low is poppier I agree, but it's also weirder. Heroes is a more traditional pop record with longer songs and more straightforward ideas. I don't know, they're hard to classify.
Literally any Can record, that's what the guitar is doing. There's sure as hell no big echoey reverby guitar line that could fill stadiums hovering over an entire song.
Some of Future Day's guitar is pretty airy. But yeah Heroes is obviously distinct, but that doesn't lessen the Krautrock influence. Fripp basically went proto-shoegaze with the guitar
A beat is more than just the drums. It's the bass and the tempo and the overall feel. Motorik is uptempo and the bass is bouncy. It's supposed to build momentum. Heroes' beat is slower, more soulful and subdued. It feels like the beat to a pop song- keeping pace and not investing energy except at the change to the chorus.
No you fucking idiot. That's literally the definition of the motorik beat. It has nothing to do with whether it's "uptempo" or "bouncy".
You could have looked this up for yourself.
Right, because how it's applied in context doesn't fucking matter. 3 kicks and a snare existed long before krautrock friend, but it doesn't sound anything like a motorik beat.
The Seeeeeeecret Life of Arabia.
Does anyone have a lossy link to Bowie's discography? I can't find the one on RuTracker I used a while back. I'm missing The Man Who Sold The World, Pin-Ups, Scary Monsters, and Everything after Let's Dance.
Pablo Honey - David Bowie debut
The Bends - Hunky Dory
OK Computer - Ziggy Stardust
Kid A - Low
Amnesiac - "Heroes"
Hail To The Theif - Lodger
In Rainbows - Station To Station
King of Limbs - Earthling
Lodger is a disposable (yet still enjoyable) pop record where as Low and Heroes combine to form an insight into Bowie's struggles, and eventual recovery at the time. If you listen to them both back to back, Heroes' optimism and triumpant nature become even more apparrent, as does it's artistic significance. Heroes also serves the purpose of presenting a soundscape of the time by being recorded so close to the Berlin Wall and using german influences on the first half and ambient story telling on the second.
I used to think Lodger was the better album until I listened to Heroes in this context. Heroes is an artistic album with depth and lodger is an enjoyable but disposable album that starts quite strong from an experimental view and falls into generic rock in the second half.
Here's one before Moe Tucker's influence. 1965
It's not exactly hard to believe a drummer here and there decided to play 3 kicks and a snare in a row before 1969
Because of what the fuck I said earlier. A beat is more than just the fucking pattern, regardless of what bullshit wikipedia tells you. There's obviously a huge difference in feel between >>61841471
There's a build because of the tempo being quick but not as blistering and thrashy as The Sonics. Not also the bass is not in the forefront of the sound in TVU because it plays on all the same notes as the drums- not in between, and not beyond the chord roots. It feels propulsive, like it's trying to overemphasize that it's in 4/4.
Heroes is actually closer to Motorik than I initially realized, but it's still not propulsive enough. Not also John Cale's guitar is very dirty and rhythmic, not anthemic and heavily in the foreground as Fripp's.
>Right, because how it's applied in context doesn't fucking matter.
Of course it matters, but that doesn't change the definition of the term.
>3 kicks and a snare existed long before krautrock friend
And? Liszt used a 12-tone row before Schoenberg, but that doesn't make him a serialist composer.
>but it doesn't sound anything like a motorik beat.
Unless it's played extremely loose, yes it will because that's what a fucking motorik beat is.
This sounds exactly like a motorik beat.
This doesn't. He's playing the ride cymbal, not the hi-hat.
The point is, Bowie and co almost certainly wanted the drums on Heroes to be reminiscent of the Motorik beat. Sure, it's slower tempo, but it's still Motorik, because it was entirely intended to sound like that.
Because they get their information from wikipedia.
Apparently people think that Mode Tucker was the first drummer to play 3 kicks and a snare with a hi hat hitting eighth notes in the history of pop music. It even says on there "of moderate pace" implying there's more to it than just the pattern. Therefore Heroes arguably does not have a motorik beat, because it is of a slower than moderate pace.
Not that it fucking matters either way. I admit the beat is very motorik like, but in no way does Heroes sound like a Krautrock song to me.
What's funny is that she's not playing a motorik beat on that song. She's playing the bass drum and snare drum in unison on every eighth note.
Which really just emphasizes again that it's more about feel than the actual pattern, hence why she's proto motorik.
>I admit the beat is very motorik like, but in no way does Heroes sound like a Krautrock song to me.
Of course it's not a Krautrock song, but the influence is still obviously there, from Neu! especially.
>repetitive bassline and motorik drumbeat throughout
>de-emphasis of harmonic progression in favour of a more minimalist style of composition
>atmospheric, effects-laden guitar noise in lieu of an actual melody line for the majority of the piece
Quick, am I describing Hallogallo or "Heroes"?
>Quick, am I describing Hallogallo or "Heroes"?
It's also worth noting that both songs at the halfway-ish point introduce a hit on every beat on a cymbal. 2:54 for "Heroes" and 7:02 for "Hallogallo".
>>de-emphasis of harmonic progression in favour of a more minimalist style of composition
I wouldn't agree with this on "Heroes"; not the track anyway. I'm pretty sure it changes between D major and C major throughout, which is at least a semi interesting harmonic progression compared to the drone of Hallogallo.
if we're setting up some kind of radiohead "trilogy" here, wouldn't kid a - amnesiac - hail to the thief make more sense? httt has a lot of leftovers from kid a on it.
sorting it as such also fits bowie's berlin trilogy more
Lodger/Hail to the Thief