>>61778805 FYI, he didn't "blow off his head", he shot it. His head was actually more intact. Not that he didn't look like he took a shotgun to the face, but the whole video game/hollywood theatrics of it is overplayed.
And I like Nirvana quite a bit. Hope you're unable to sleep tonight and contemplate suicide over that thought.
>>61780158 It isn't the popularity about it that bothers me, it's the sound they made that I can't see as being considered, "good." And no, I don't listen to any punk or noise rock. Maybe X's first release, but that's as punk as I go.
>>61780334 >>61780313 Nice responses boys. Grunge is indeed a genre, with pretty identifiable conventions. It is not just an aesthetic, as you might have assumed by being underage and having visited tumblr regularly.
>>61780406 When you have to strawman like this you must realise that really you're not really on very solid ground. Pearl Jam have elements of the grunge sound, but I wouldn't call them a grunge band. Keep on trying.
>>61780393 Identify them then. There definitely was a grunge sound, but that died by 1990. Bleach could be called grunge, just as Mudhoney, early Soundgarden, Screaming Trees, early Melvins etc. But it was never a genre, just a distinctive sound some bands up North had.
>>61780482 Sorry, what was that? A "grunge band" you say? Thanks for playing.
>>61780475 It's mainly in the guitar sound I think. Somewhere between punk rock, heavy metal and sludge. Liberal use of distortion and fuzz obviously, plenty of midrange. There are also the pretty common lyrical tropes - angst and apathy fuelled. It's very distinct from the pure "noise" of noise rock, which is often so abrasive and unhinged. It is not a controlled element, if you follow.
>>61780578 I think people created grunge as a genre because all of the bands don't have easily identifiable genres. There were a lot of different influences in each. But the problem with that is none of them sound the same.
>>61778805 They had some good songs but their albums were overall pretty bad. They were just The Pixies)with more distortion, less talent and Kurt's anal singing voice. Honestly the worst thing about them is their fans. Weakest link mfers. Some of the girls fans are kawaii hipsters though
>>61781561 Bleach is a fucking shit album. Its Shoegaze with all the life, experimentation and creativity sucked out of it. Even in '91 that album was nothing groundbreaking or amazing, it had been done before by countless other bands.
>>61781534 I like Nirvana well enough. But I love the pixies. The pixies are one of the most unique origional bands of all time. Please never say Nirvana is the Pixies ever again. You know music better than that senpai
>>61783931 I'm a grungefag and I like them both pretty much equally. Also, weren't the riot grrrl bands technically part of the grunge movement as well? I think most people would classify bands like L7, Babes In Toyland, Dickless, and 7 Year Bitch as grunge bands.
>>61784394 four/five piece bands with two guitars a bass a drummer a vocalist who make rock songs of an average of about four minutes in length play exclusively in 4/4 or 3/4, have angry lyrics about pain and disenfranchisement, were the face of a counterculture seeking to reclaim power for the youth, utilise distortion regularly and write formulaic verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus songs
>>61784503 I'm the one who originally asked but not him but you completely missed my point. If you can't name something exclusive 4 of the biggest bands in a genre share then that's a really weak definition of genre. Give me one thing grunge has that establishes it as its own genre.
>>61784553 I'm not him either, my point is that most rock music of any kind isn't really that different when you break it down
genres are something attached to sounds later on, most regularly by people not involved in the creation of the music, what links bands together is often just the movements they were part of, or the scenes from which they evolved
take krautrock for instance - if you were to compare a band like neu! to a band like ash ra tempel you would struggle just as hard to say why they were a part of the same genre, as they are so different - but they are part of a movement, just as grunge was, which has linked them in this category on paper
subgenre exists for a reason - to imply a specific rather than prominent difference, and in this case it just so happened that the majority of identifiable differences grunge brought were aesthetic
>>61784339 True to some extent, but it's mainly from a lyrical and visual standpoint. The actual type of music that they played varied depending on the band. Nirvana was punk/noise rock, AiC and Melvins were metal, Pearl Jam and Screaming Trees were psychedelic, etc.
>>61784572 Isn't krautrock more conceptually fluid? The use of synthesizers within the bands makes for a more homogeneous connection. But with grunge it's like, "all these guys play downtuned guitars and sing sad lyrics". Maybe on the streets it's ok to use grunge as an easy descriptor, but on a music board it's just lazy.
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