>tfw this isnt the first time jyp had to apologize about chewy
I'm still incredibly confused over the whole Tzuyu thing.
Not the fact that China is angry. Chinese are idiots and think everything belongs to them. I'm confused at comments saying like "Taiwanese independence is a controversial subject she should have been more careful".
Scottish independence is controversial.
Catalan independence is controversial.
Taiwan is a defacto soveriegn state that most people in the world agree is not China.
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Well best I can tell and I could be wrong but Tzuyu never actually took a stance on Taiwanese independence; she just wave a Taiwanese flag.
Regardless it is fucking ridiculous to have to apologize for having an opinion on something
Taiwan is the remnance of the KMT government of the original mainland China.
In 1949 their was a civil war and the communist party conquered mainland China and tool control of it.
The KMT retreated to the island of Taiwan but the communists could not conquer this land from them.
Therefore Taiwan is an independent nation through it not being conquered.
Not hard to understand chinks...
yeah but jyp and tzuyu's apologies--
>"Tzuyu is not involved in any [form] of Taiwanese independence speech and the opinion that Tzuyu has shown online support for Taiwanese independence is not true," said Park, in a post on Weibo. "The company [JYP Entertainment] favorably supports the principle of one-unilateral China."
>"Hello everyone. I have something to say to all of you. I am Tzuyu. I'm sorry, I should have apologized earlier. I didn't dare to face all of you earlier because I didn't know how to react to the current situation. There is only one China, Taiwan and China are part of the same country. I have always been proud of my identity as a Chinese. As a Chinese, during my activities in China, due to my words and actions, I have caused harm to my company and to netizens. I feel very sorry and ashamed. I have decided to suspend all my activities in China and reflect on my actions. Once again, I'm very very sorry." (Translation by Anna Cheang)
>most people in the world agree
>tfw the tzuyu scandal blew up while I was away
I wonder how this will affect twice in korea
I don't think I will ever get this scandal since I live in the west and was always told Taiwan was a different country to China and was always taught this in school. I think most other westerners would feel the same.
To me it sounds as stupid as being upset France is independent from Germany
I was actually started to get into AKB48 and their sister groups but when I saw that happened back in 2013 I felt sick and stopped watching all their shit.
It all felt dirty after that.
I guess subin is the best dal shabet member by default now
Tbh when Scottish / British tennis player Andy Murray came out in support of Scottish independence when he'd won a gold medal at the Olympics for Britain. A lot of people got triggered and there was a big scandal.
He also apologised. A lot of people were telling him to stop running his mouth off about political issues
The thing is, with idols in Kpop is feels more akin to wanting the girls to keep on track with the group and the music, they don't want them to be distracted which is understandable. That's definitely the feel, and I believe its the reason, when Crayon Pop was not allowed to date when they first formed.
But with big groups like AKB it feels dirty.
desu i'm pretty sure it's for the fans' benefit too
but i don't think it's dirty, it's understandable that kids who fall in love (and companies do want them to) with idols also feel possessive and don't want them to date others
it does have a bit different feeling in jpop
>Idols not dating for a while in kpop still weirds me out.
You really want to hear about your waifu getting the dick from some actor Chad? Don't lie. There's no need. This is an anonymous forum.
I follow western pop groups a bit and I think it's healthy for kids to see their idols living normal lives. Partying, going through normal relationships and learning, etc.
I agree it's way way weirder in jpop.
i think to begin with because the audience of jpop and kpop is so different. mostly girls for kpop.
few k-pop fans obsess about idols' virginity or anything like that, they just get possessive about them dating
Anyone know other dance practice videos where you can hear the feet stomps?
I like it a lot for some reason... thanks chingus
i agree, it'd be healthy, but lots of kids in korea really have no lives to begin with given how they're forced to study and idols' marketing really takes advantage of that
idols try to make kids fall in love with them, and of course as a result of that they feel betrayed and hate to see them dating
i don't know, i agree it'd be better if idols could date, but i kind of have sympathy for how things are now too
What is johnnys? The first model of sm, mostly fan girls too
And akb girls with sex/dating scandal were still able to stay in the group for years, for fuck sake the baldie is still in it
Wasn't it in her contract to not date? I mean why would she do that knowing there'd be serious repercussions if she broke her contract?
Nothing happened to taeyeon people just whined because their waifu/husbando got caught but no one touched her
No one asked her to shave her head dumbfuck, she did it for sympathy.
There's a homebreaker in one of the group that didn't give a fuck and is still working. The purity meme is long dead
Read a story that a member of small girl group in Japan paid a fee when her dating came to light. They wouldn't kick her if she was popular knowing they could still make money from her if she apologized.
Right, but do you want to KNOW about it. Do you want to see it flaunted in your face in tabloids? Do you want to see how the sausage is made?
To be honest this sound like a (as much as this word is abused) cuckold mentality. And I doubt it's sincerity. Everyone says things like this in public on the Internet these days. But these companies didn't all as one make up and continue the no dating rule on some sort of evil whim. They've noticed that dating causing a loss in fandom. Keep in mind, it doesn't have to be some dramatic angry denunciation that you are trying to distance yourself from to look mature. It can be something as simple as a subtle lowering of interest. One less delux photobook that just doesn't seem as... necessary... as it was before. That turns into a loss of fame and revenues for the idol all the same.
People don't want to be reminded that their idols are not, well, idols but just normal people that can't possibly care about them the way they're hyped up for the idol. That's alienating. That ruins the fun. If you want to enjoy some singer on vocal mertis alone and care nothing for how many miles of dick they taken, how terrible/boring their personality, how unpleasant they are to look at, etc. then start fandoming fat black soul singers. They're the best. No one gets into idols just for that though. Y'all liars. To yourselves and others.
Taiwan is actually under united States control according to the wording of the peace treaty between Taiwan and China.
America holds Taiwan's independence in stewardship and protects Taiwan independence.
Despite this the US doesn't recognise Taiwanese independence from China
what a mistake, briging yeri into this realm
>Rainbow confirms comeback in February
rejoice brothers for the dark days are over!
Post leader gyu.
>And I doubt it's sincerity.
you'll have to take my word, i guess, i don't know how to prove it
> But these companies didn't all as one make up and continue the no dating rule on some sort of evil whim. They've noticed that dating causing a loss in fandom.
Of course. Kids (and sometimes uncles) with nothing else going on in their lives are supposed to fall in love with idols, that's a big part of how idols are marketed.
> That ruins the fun. If you want to enjoy some singer on vocal mertis alone and care nothing for how many miles of dick they taken, how terrible/boring their personality, how unpleasant they are to look at, etc. then start fandoming fat black soul singers. They're the best. No one gets into idols just for that though. Y'all liars. To yourselves and others.
where the fuck did this come from? an idol's dating has no connection to his or her personality being bad, or anything like that. And I do love Motown for what that's worth...
I hope Ham is dating and enjoying her life and not languishing in her twenties. Because I like her. I don't give a fuck about looking "mature" or whatever on an anonymous board.
The attitude that they have to charm kids into loving them has negative effects too. It makes it weirder for older fans. Videos that involve every idol in the group eye fucking the camera repeatedly weird me the hell out. I'd probably have gotten into it years ago if there were more videos that didn't make me feel like a pedo.
The dishonesty also hurts them in the west. Look at CL's attempts. The first thing that comes up in western pop threads is that the whole baddest female thing is an act and she admits it. That's pretty much the end of the conversation.
If you're punished for breaking a contract I don't see the problem.
She got everything back very quickly and more at that since she capitalize on it.
Also IU, when you sale on your image people don't like sex/dating scandal, simple.
JYP ent has forced a 17 years old to renounce her own country, that's very brutal and pretty much the same level of fuckery to me
who is this sex goddess and what have the done with my yeri?!?!?
>If you're punished for breaking a contract I don't see the problem.
i'm not saying there's a problem, i'm saying it's not exactly the same thing that happens in kpop w.r.t. dating, or the same attitude
>JYP ent has forced a 17 years old to renounce her own country, that's very brutal and pretty much the same level of fuckery to me
definitely, but again, it's not because of fans' or the company's attitude to dating, which at least for me was the only thing I was arguing about
its just best to piss off the country with 25 mil than the country with 1.3bil
The Global Times (Chinese government PR newspaper) is basically trying to claim a win and move on now too.
Unfortunately that means the only way forward is to turn this into a bigger shitstorm by dragging in western media.
Jyp could have one the moral victory by letting tzuyu be proud of her nation. All international fans and Koreans and Japanese would support this.
What he's done now is just piss everyone off. China is still lost even after apology.
Honestly saying "fuck off China you imperialist wanker" would have made everyone cheer
my fists are registered as lethal weapons
>i'm saying it's not exactly the same thing that happens in kpop w.r.t. dating, or the same attitud
One of the most ppular member got her private pics of her with a cock in the mouth leaked out. And she was still the top.
For me, they're at the same level, dating is frown upon and should be hidden.
> The Global Times (Chinese government PR newspaper) is basically trying to claim a win and move on now too.
>the opinion of some nugu kpop idol is newsworthy in china
yeah but you can't feed your family on cheers and hugs, at the end of the day jyp has a business to run and pissing off a market with millions of potential customers just isn't a good decision
taiwan is own country
not commie shithole rike china
>The Global Times (Chinese government PR newspaper) is basically trying to claim a win
Yep thats just it. Them acting like they won. Its like when you're in elementary school and a kid steals something from you and when you try to get it back they go crying to the teacher and lying about how they had it first, so they end up getting to keep it and you get in trouble. Thats how it made me feel to read those posts.
>mfw there's nothing else JYP can do to save Twice except kick that jailbait bitch out
korean companies already pulled tzuyu from the ads because of pressure from china
ad money is what actually reeks in the big bucks so missing out on that is a huge hit, even if you have local fan support that doesn't mean jack shit unless twice would sell snsd level numbers
Everyone let's China ass rape them it's do fucking dumb.
Even ny western countrt praises China and invites them to build infrastructure even after their government called us s pathetic weak nation.
He just wants to put his omo stick in your waifu
China is like saudi arabia everyone let's them get away with everything.
Western government's are denouncing people like Bashir Assad of Syria when the Chinese government is 1000x worse.
Did you know saudi arabia is going to be on the UN council if human rights? What a joke
>Kids (and sometimes uncles) with nothing else going on in their lives are supposed to fall in love with idols, that's a big part of how idols are marketed.
See, that's the assumption many make. I personally don't buy it. I think it comes from a place of superficial analysis and insecurity (or moralism for the chiding outsider). I think if you abandon your fear of seeming "creepy" and take a harder more critical look at the no dating phenomenon you'll find something else. Their is a logic to it beyond "jealousy", which doesn't fit as well as some pretend.
Idol is, in my mind, something akin to purestrain rockstar. It's a phenomenon you see in music and even beyond it - and it has a lot of power (especially for selling things). You see it in populist politicians, sports heroes, religious demagogues, and most famously in regular musicians who are somehow more than just their music. They're a "personality". It's what turns Sid Vicious from a hack bass player into something special that rebellious teenagers want as a poster on their wall. Business noticed this phenomenon and tried to box and sell it.
Their are sociological rules to rockstar/idol. No one wants to hear about Johnny Rotten's opinions on when it's actually a good idea to do what you're told by society. That ruins the image.
I mentioned personality because that's a big part of making someone mythological, or breaking that. Talking about Tzuyu, she's a good example of why idols will never tell you their political opinions. And I think that fear of showing their human political side is very similar to why they are afraid to show you their human romantic side. Both universally signal a wall between the admirer and the rockstar/idol. The idol is no longer this better than human figure that is always safe, always happy (ever notice idols don't like to be seen swearing or angry?), can always be counted on to make you day brighter at any time.
Now they're just normal people. And people can suck.
he's not buying them he's basically just doing a joint partnership with their companies
>talking with retards
you are too cool for this chingu
Kpg love cuties and hate people who hurt cuties
Have any of you seen the Korean movie "Inside Men"?
It basically documents in a "fictional" reality the fact that old rich Chinese businessmen can pay to spend the evening with Korean idols.
It even massively winks at the audience at the end with a text fade out saying something along the lines of: "If you see anything like this in real life it must be a coincidence".
I think Koreans are pretty aware these days that most idols are whores for their Chinese overlords.
word, we must protect this smile.
>See, that's the assumption many make. I personally don't buy it. I think it comes from a place of superficial analysis and insecurity (or moralism for the chiding outsider). I think if you abandon your fear of seeming "creepy" and take a harder more critical look at the no dating phenomenon you'll find something else. Their is a logic to it beyond "jealousy", which doesn't fit as well as some pretend.
I don't want to say there is any moral part to it. It's just how it is - people with little else going on are meant to fall in love with idols, that's the way idols are marketed. These people kind of have a right, or at least a reason, to feel possessive or jealous. There is nothing creepy about that - maybe something a bit melacholy, but then, idols give them hope and joy too.
>I mentioned personality because that's a big part of making someone mythological, or breaking that. Talking about Tzuyu, she's a good example of why idols will never tell you their political opinions. And I think that fear of showing their human political side is very similar to why they are afraid to show you their human romantic side. Both universally signal a wall between the admirer and the rockstar/idol.
But when it comes to idols, their human side is exactly why the whole scheme works. SNSD are relatable to girls, and attainable to guys, in a way no other group has managed. That's exactly what sets them apart, and what everyone tries to imitate. Yes, idols are meant to be a simulacrum of a kind of perfection and ideal, but also human at the same time.
But I think this is somewhat aside the point, anyway. We were talking about whether it must always affect people negatively that their waifus (or idols, whatever) are dating. I said it doesn't bother me at all, and that I'm happy for them. That is the case for me. I defended the no-dating policy earlier because of what it means to lots of fans, though. It does have a reason to exist in the larger scheme of things.
Not if you're following Crayon Pops.
NO NEW INSTAGRAMS IN TWO DAYS, PEOPLE
THEY MUST BE BUSY
But that's the fucking thing that has made this so ridiculous from the beginning she's never made a SINGLE comment about Taiwanese independence or anything of the sort. She never HAD a official opinion on any of it.
i don't think so
like anon said, there are almost no idol suicides whatever, in comparison to actresses who are dropping like flies, and the korean public
if the idol industry was a prostitution ring or as abusive as some like to think for whatever awful reason, i think people would die a lot
allow me to clarify a few things.
the film references the entertainment industry, so not limited to kpop idols.
also these foreign old men can pay for simply an innocent evening with these girls, like just a meal, or for them to be their girlfriend for the night and so on.
>if the idol industry was a prostitution ring or as abusive as some like to think for whatever awful reason, i think people would die a lot
Not even a week ago
watching that apology video literally made me feel bad inside tho
True, it's unfortunate things have to be this way but simply identifying as taiwanese sparked this whole shitstorm
Someone mentioned that jackson handled his situation by saying he was from hong kong, china instead't of just hong kong, maybe tzuyu could have gone that route instead
She did that's the thing. Jackson answered for her and said she was Taiwanese-Chinese, she just nodded, she didn't actually say anything in that appearance. Jackson gave the politically correct answer for her and she agreed with him.
>there is only one China, Taiwan and China are part of the same country. I have always been proud of my identity as a Chinese.
VERY clever wording.
These Taiwanese government officially calls themselves "The Republic of China" and they still claim to be the legitimate rulers of all of China. Much like The People's Republic of China claims to be the legitimate rules of all China.
So which China does Tzuyu support?
22nd April 2011
Lee Soon Man is placed on Interpol's most wanted list for a single day after being arrested at Incheon Airport for embezzlement.
Tune in tomorrow for your next Kpop history lesson.
or he was a random creeper, and at any rate, she was free to turn him down, as well as to expose the fact that such offers are being made, so I doubt there is an organized prostitution ring
like western pop stars get offers like that -iirc some billionaire or something was trying to solicit early 2000's britney publicly but i was too little to understand it then- and i'm sure there are individual cases everywhere, but it doesn't mean the scene is a front for a prostitution ring or anything like that.
Not him but while some companies have serious problems of credibility, like Star Empire, in most cases idols are not part of those circles.
It's pretty obvious when they just release some crappy group of girls, to see if anyone is interested in buying (like every single dance group).
based no learning comprehension bro
some have. u;nee, the DSP trainee girl... who else? it's still very few in comparison to, say, actresses, and in comparison to what you'd expect if the industry was abusive like people portray it
>in most cases idols are not part of those circles
and you know that because?
no, YOU said
the point is, we have absolutely no clue as to what's going on behind the curtains in the industry if there is anything going on
>no, YOU said
no, there are at least two anons arguing it
>the point is, we have absolutely no clue as to what's going on behind the curtains in the industry if there is anything going on
agreed. but this doesn't mean something *is* going on, especially on a large scale outside of shady nugu operations and the like. and we do know idols aren't suiciding like actresses.
some nugu agencies are known to whore their idols out, using their futures as leverage, and even keep groups for that purpose alone. there was an article about it somewhere.
It's definitely AOA
Are you fucking kidding dude, FNC Entertainment has shitloads of money from their dude groups, AOA don't need to sell their bodies literally, just shake their ass on stage
there are going to be *some* suicides everywhere.
anon's point was obviously that there are not as many suicides as you'd expect if the industry was awful like that. two idol suicides in what, ten years, isn't anything you wouldn't expect no matter how nice the industry was.