This album is pretty overrated in my eyes. A lot of people regard

>>61770849
I like this album, but I think GFK has the title of best Wu solo rapper and best Wu solo release, with Ironman. Liquid Swords is good but like you said to me it's only good, not great.

GZA and RZA together represent the most well known aspect of the Wu that's also representative here. The Shaolin/Wudang. The Tigerstyle, shadowboxing, etc. It's that weird obsession of things like kung fu shit, comic book characters, the occult, and whatnot. 36 Chambers for example is predominantly this stuff but also has aspects of those other rappers that you mentioned. Liquid Swords is just this obsession with stuff that wasn't necessarily common in hip-hop around the time.

This album's cool as shit cuz it really takes advantage of their obsession with such things and is really creative with them lyrically and with the beats creates the aesthetic that is unique to RZA/GZA/the Wu.

Hope that made sense.

>>61770849
GZA himself thinks its overrated

anyway GFK is the goat wu tang member. supreme clientele>36 chambers

>>61770945
Ghost is the greatest MC in the Wu in my eyes as well. I don't go more than a month without listening to Supreme Clientelle.

>>61770975
The beats are fucking amazing that's true

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>>61770849
To me, a very strong point on the album is its brevity: it does not overstay its welcome, and while I don't like Gold or I Gotcha Back, every other song is fantastic. On every other wu-album of the era (ESPECIALLY Tical) I am stuck sitting through a number of very dull tracks that due to RZA's homogenous production style generally sound very similar to one another.
2. GZA's lyricism is to me the most emotional. He has a very detatched delivery but to me always came off as heartfelt in his warnings on street violence or other tragic tales. He seems involved and sympathetic with his subject, something I don't find terribly common. I see where you come in the lyricism department though - he often jumps subject matter and approach, making him seem inconsistent as opposed to Ghostface or Method Man's very set style, and as such I find GZA verses a "gamble" of sorts - either he kills it or it's lukewarm at best.
the intellectual bit comes from vocabulary, not nesscessarily diversity of knowledge; I'd agree he's probably just as smart as the other members of the clan, or at least comes off not much smarter, but I do think his varied word choice fosters more original lines.
I agree this album is overrated, but it's one of the best of the first Wu joints for sure.

>>61771047
>Ghost is the greatest MC in the Wu in my eyes as well. I don't go more than a month without listening to Supreme Clientelle.

Agree but in Wu-Tang's context, Inspectah Deck was the best one with best verses.

supreme clientele is one of the most filler-stuffed albums i've ever heard

it's like 20 minutes of solid gold and 40 minutes of crap

>>61771193
I don't skip a single song on Supreme Clientelle, except the crackhead sketch that shit is gold front to back

I'm not very good at formulating my thoughts about why I like some albums so much.

Basically, to me, Liquid Swords feels like a true followup to 36 Chambers. We never got a true sequel or successor from the actual "Wu Tang Clan" group, and that's a shame. Liquid Swords could be called Enter the Wu Tang 2: Liquid Swords, and it would fit right in.

I love the aesthetic of 36 Chambers. Dark, grimy, gritty, brutal, the whole samurai movie clips spliced in, you can picture these 9 dudes sititng in a dank fuckin basement filled with smoke just going hard while samurai movies play on a shitty TV in the corner.

Everyone else took their own style like you said, but Liquid Swords was the only one that expanded upon this idea. It's darker, it's meaner, the "shaolin" influence is stronger, and it's got all 9 members of the Clan at their peak performance.

I just really like the aesthetic.

THERE IS NO CLIPS THAT'S FULL ENOUGH

>>61770849
But it's the strongest of all first solo Wu albums. Definitely my favorite along with Tical.

what is /mu/s favorite song of liquid swords?

>>61772097
Liquid Swords to be honest. The beat is a straight loop but it's so good it's crazy. 4th Chamber and Hell's Wind Staff the next two on the list

This and OB4CL are the two best wu releases ever, although very different in nature.

>>61772097
4th Chamber for sure. My fav Wu song in fact

>>61770849
i don't see how you could enjoy any rap if you didn't get it at the time of it's release to compare it to what else was out at that time.

>>61772097
DUEL OF THE IRON MIC

>>61770975
Why didn't they make more songs like this?

>but GZA?

He's the genius

>>61770849
Kinda feel the same honestly but I can definitely understand the praise it receives. If you think GZA isn't impressive lyrically you really need to listen again.

>>61773773
what a ridiculous overstatement

WHEN THE MCs CAME TO LIVE UP THE NAME

>>61772370
Yeah, ten seconds into that beat and it felt like rediscovering 36 Chambers all over again.
Even though it's super gritty, there's something really fucking fun about it. I feel that way about all boom-bap for some reason though.

>>61772097

Cold world

if you care a lot about wordplay, you probably think gza is great. I'm not particulrarly a fan. but i'd probably lsiten to him over deck or masta killa

>>61770849
I like this more than 36 Chambers

>ywn kung fu fight that annoying kid from the movie samples

>>61772097

gonna say that swordsman is underrated as fuck. the beat is so atmospheric and beautiful

>>61770849
This is the best Wu release. Its the album most similar to 36 Chambers. Its basically a GZA heavy Wu Album (and therefore darker).

>>61772097
Gold is underrated 2bh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFjGd2s8ndo

>He got swung on, his lungs was torn a kingpin just castled with his rook and lost a pawn

>>61775912
deck is GOAT on Wu Tang tracks and features, like, he legit always has the best verse. His solo albums are major disappointments though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3pQFmfLDzE

>>61772097
WHY DIDNT JUDAS GRAB THE ROMANS WHILE JESUS SLEPT

>>61770849
He doesn't get personal but GZA has always had the most brutal fucking rhymes out of the whole clan, and his wordplay is arguably the best in the game to this day. On this album he totally fuckin' slays, and I love it.

>>61777449
czarface is pretty hot though

>>61774345
Liquid Swords is all GZA/RZA. All of GZA's other albums are GZA doing god tier rapping/lyricism as usual and some mediocre as fuck guys doing beats with the occasional beat done by RZA and/or GZA. Beneath the Surface is listenable since he had Inspecta Deck and a couple other decent guys on board for beats. The other albums he just had awful beat makers I don't even know what the fuck happened. Like if they were mediocre beats they would've still been good albums but the beats literally were bad enough to bring down the overall quality of the albums.

>>61778291
Yeah he really needs someone else to measure up against. He really shines when he's competitive.

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>>61778133
That's not what the lyric is at all

Not even close...

It's

>WHY DID JUDAS RAT TO ROMANS WHILE JESUS SLEPT

and the two lines before it are the answer. Why is sky blue? why is water wet? why did judas rat?

They're unanswerable questions and they just are. That's the entire point of that line and the crux of the verse

I just think it's funny you've had the completely wrong idea for so long