Where were you when you realised James Murphy is a fraudulent, song stealing hack?
this could legit hold up in a court of law, like holy fuck.
i'll let him away with this.
it feels like we only go backwards is so barely similar to this, like at all. always makes me laugh that they thought they had a case.
it's the compounding of that beat, those backing chords and the chorus melody. there's no way you could argue james murphy didn't notice the effectiveness of those three elements and thus consciously lifted them for his own song. christ.
Influence is like Joy Division on Radiohead. Tight rhythmic section, bleak introspective lyrics, downbeat but propulsive tone, etc.
Plagiarism is basically stealing exact musical ideas, maybe modifying them slightly, and not crediting the original creator. OP's example isn't so bad. Look into Led Zeppelin and what they stole, that's probably a better example.
I made this thread yesterday. heres what I got.
All I want
the distinctive polyrhytmic beat, the 196 BMP, the unusual two-beat chord progression of Bb and G minor, the ascend-descend melodic motif are not the exact same in each song because "hurrr durrrrr yr bound to ripp someone off! ders only so much music!1". Murphy is undoubtedly similar with the Jamaica Running track from his DJing days, it being a new-wave protodisco track. His song is better, but if you think he didn't rip-off the original than you're just a delusional fanboy.
Perhaps you should just get off your high horse and shut up. You're not terribly convincing, just condescending. Perhaps you should consider that when formulating your next argument.
Everybody knows the Heroes one though. That's an Eno/Bowie homage, not a ripoff. Half of LCD's catalog is pastiche/homage, that's one of the main elements of his work. No one calls New Order a rip off and they broke with a mashup of Kraftwerk and gay disco. It's the same thing.
The band probably spends most of the time in the recording booth wrestling with Murphy in order to get that razor out of hands so that he doesn't slit his wrists.
They probably only got back together because Murphy's therapist recommended it "to give Murphy some purpose".
Definitely agree there are some ridiculous similarities here, but said similarities kind of fade away once you get further into each individual song and new elements are added.
When the higher octave synth comes in on The Pool, it doesn't really sound that much like Dance Yrself Clean anymore, apart from the bass line of course.
because plagiarism is a genuinely interesting topic and i was interesting in exploring why and how we plagiarised it. it's conducive to actual musical discussion as opposed to some lame "hey love good old james alone" or "there's only so many songs" circlejerking. he stole the song and that's fine. the appropriate counter argument is that, yes, the man clearly consciously stole from another artist, but he made a far, far better song. then we a learn a little something and we've had a fun discussion.
Anybody have the youtube link to the band that blatantly ripped off My Bloody Valentine's "Come in Alone"? They stole the drums, the guitar melody, everything. Just a different vocal melody.
It really doesn't help your case if everyone just perceives you as a smug asshole. And since you seem to think so highly of yourself and what your opinions are worth, I thought you'd like to know.
grimes ripped off kraftwerk
0:50 it starts
how the fuck did she get away with this shit
When the two songs are wildly different and not even in the same genre, you genuinely believe this?
Also the wording in this post and the post you deleted sounds like you think The Radio Dept. came first?
the soundcloud i posted the youtube but ice ice baby and under pressure had a huge lawsuit because of the same riff. espcially an iconic song like everlong why fuck with it if someone came out with a song with seven nation army riff it would be a rip off no matter how you look at it
posting a well known one
>his therapist is dead
>he doesn't have fuck you money
>wife left him
>best songs are copys
>wasted years of his life hunting for records
>wants to be cool but isn't
you know James has a rough life.
I think they knew it was there last album, and he wanted to close it out as like a thank-you to all of his influences. i think. there was an interview i found a long time ago where he talked about it.
I can't believe I'm the only one who's noticed this but Google shows zero results for anyone talking about these two songs together.
I'm sorry, but only the one comparison for LCD Soundsystem 'plagiarising' really sounded like it had credibility. You guys have kind of gone overboard and are grasping at straws at this point.
>inb4 'its called sampling'
>I aint ever realized how much he copied
The word "copied" is being abused in this thread. Especially when these "comparisons" don't sound much as alike as the anons in this thread think they are.
i know its not lcd but i cant be the only one who thinks the distorted guitar in you lust sounds like the same guitar part in swans - helpless child
I suppose. I've never been against really. And I dont mind sampling. And with Drake he gives credit.
Don't know why this one bothers me tho. Probably because i looked up to LCD at one point in time. Aw well
Player's Club - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2daXghqHgjQ
Who Do You Love - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN4upVaDFFs
Who Do You Love - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN4upVaDFFs
But this one always bothered me
that's his whole schtick though. He's not trying to hide his influences. If you are not listening to his albums going "oh there's a bowie track, oh there's a beatles track, oh theres an iggy track etc" you need to listen to more music
Nope, you just completely ignored everything about the music that he said.
You can't just take one humorous part of a comment and make one response based off that.
Almost worse than >>61741057 which is just trying to get you mad.
I wonder how much demoscene music has been ripped off with nobody knowing. There are some seriously talented scene musicians that for some reason choose the most obscure medium to be heard on.
they aren't that similar
for one, the piano riff in nightclubbing is different and more involved
the melody is the only thing they have in common, and even then it's not even that similar
you can tell he sat there thinking about how to rip off night clubbing
changing the echo snare to a snap and the early string synth in night clubbing to a very similar synth in that lcd song
I still don't see it
I think you guys are reading too much into it
Which is exactly the problem with this website
116 years of modern music of course some similarities between different songs.
You guys hear one LCD Soundsystem song with the same melody as White Light/White Heat and think you exposed James Murphy as the secret maestro of plagiarism whose cunning was broken by your amazing powers of youtube and deduction.
Come on, senpai.
isn't the whole point of LCD to basically recreate the vibe of james' djing days at hipster bars where he'd play stuff that was untypical for clubs but still got people dancin'? it's always been about james putting his own spin on his favorites and introducing people to a bigger world of music, wearing influences on his sleeve but making something completely new out of it, right? i vaguely remember pitchfork's review for "all i want" calling it a tribute to "heroes"
If the outcome is different then it's a tribute or homage, and that's true for 100% of the links in here. James has never ever hidden what LCD is about and neither have the critics.
no anon, tribute or homage is done to credit someone or something, plagiarizing is to take someones elses ideas and exploit them ie make money off them without admitting the influence of, just like what james does over and over
Are you a musicologist? People who aren't musicologists (aka the legally recognized authority on what constitutes plagiarism in actual court cases) often overestimate how much their own negligible creative talents give them perspective on these issues. Probably why so many shitty musicians defend their obvious theft.
Let me guess, you've never studied copyright law and have absolutely no experience, and you play in a shitty band so you think you must have any idea what you're talking about.
But have you seen my records?
>Nation of Ulysses
>The Black Dice
>Althea and Donna
>the Fania All-Stars
>the Human League
>Eric B. and Rakim
>Pharaoh Sanders and the Fire Engines
>the Soft Cell
more TVU (not saying these are plagiarism btw)
All Tomorrow's Parties
Neutral Milk Hotel
All music is like that man, things are only new because you never heard it before but notes are like an infinite stream you get to borrow pieces from. All artists fish in the same pond but they all make something different out of the same thing. What AnCo did with that is definitely an evolution.
Shit guys, sorry. I thought everyone on here knew about this because someone on yt commented "Adobe slabs" on the Frankie knuckles song. Panda is a big fan of house music and when I first heard Your Love, the idea that he'd pay homage to such a song didn't surprise me at all. Hey if it makes you feel any better...basically what this guy said >>61750530
except notes are finite
there's only 12 of em
using an arpeggio of the c major chord with similar instrumentation can hardly be considered plagiarizing. Homage definitely.
foo fighters - wheels
tom petty - learning to fly
I'm prettty sure it's the exact same chords and progression and Grohl even straight up rips off the background vocals from the chorus of LTF,
>when the wheel's come down (when the wheels come down)
>i'm learning to fly (learning to fly)
Grohl probably tries to play it off like it's a tribute
>b-but i love Petty, man!
>he asked me to play drums for him once, i s-swear!