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>David Bowie is still dead
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he'll come back to life and die again if you keep making these threads
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Dat bowie frog
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>>61727493
Fav rare pepe desu
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>>61727493
Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow night.
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>>61727493
It hasn't been four days yet. you just have to wait, frogposter. lazarus miraculously rose again four days after his death. we can not give up hope until after tomorrow.
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>>61727493
>implying Dead David Bowie isn't his new artistic persona
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>>61729542
We have to all listen to Lazarus simultaneously.
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This would be an excellent time to ask mu what it thinks happens to us when we die.

Does David Bowie's consciousness exist in some form still, mu?
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>>61730142
I doubt it, but I think that's better than having it be trapped somewhere for eternity
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>>61730166

This also raises the question...what is it like to not exist?
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When Jeff Magnum dies are they going to force you to listen to "When you were youg you were the king of carrot flowers" or "I LOVE YOU JESUS CHRIIST" on the homepage?
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>>61730201
I think of it like this:
Imagine having a good nights sleep, but you don't dream (or at least, you don't remember dreaming). You're not aware that you were asleep until you've woken up, right? Death is the same thing, except you never wake up so you never realize you're dead.
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>>61730201
It's like the time when you weren't born yet, ya dip.
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>>61730260
go to bed giles
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>>61730260

That's pretty good. Apparently dying is very peaceful under non violent circumstances.
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>>61730261
The problem is, you had nothing to compare it to then. You had never experienced life. Once you experience life for 80-something years, what's it like going back to the nothing for all eternity?
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maybe he'll come back if i get these dubs
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>>61730308

Did you ever see Waking Life anon? It suggests that death is basically a giant dream you can't wake up from. It's pretty great, though kind of pretentious.
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>>61730308
It's like nothing. You don't experience it. You are a lifeless corpse. If you need to imagine what it's like, just picture your dead lifeless body being observed by the people who see you die. That's what it's like.
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>>61730308
You won't be doing any comparing because you'll be fucking dead.
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>>61730349
i'd be cool with that

better than literally nothing
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Threadly reminder that David Bowie helped produce Lou Reed's Transformer and Iggy Pop and The Stooges' Raw Power.
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>>61730142
Maybe we keep living in another universe and we don't realize we died? Maybe we die and wake up 500000 years later when we already have learned how to travel in time and we get brought back by someone that remembers us? (Considering someone would have to remember you)
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>>61730308
What >>61730377 said.
I know it's hard to comprehend, but you won't be aware of death. That voice that's been running through your head your entire life stops and you're no longer to see/hear/feel/etc anything because you don't exist.
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>tfw David's body was cremated today
>tfw he's gone for good now
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>>61730421
he was gone for good the second he died, anon
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>>61730421
who knows what the future holds

maybe one day we can reasemble his consciousness with advanced technology
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>>61730394
Reminder that bowie's mix of Raw Power sucks
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>>61730242
probably the title track

AND ONE DAY WE WILL DIE AND OUR ASHES WILL FLY FROM THE AEROPLANE OVER THE SEA
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>>61730430
I know but it feels weird, not only his conscience is gone, now his body is gone too

>>61730439
I doubt it, but I wonder if he would be okay with us bringing him back to life
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>>61730439
this
basically we don't know shit about what's possible considering 80% of today's technology was considered impossible a thousand years ago
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>>61730473
depends
I'd be happy if I got brought back in a peaceful future
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>>61730242
4chan probably wont even be around in 40 or so years anon
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>>61730480

We don't even know shit about what it's like to be dead.

The longest record for being dead is a woman who was dead for six hours in Japan. When asked what it was like after being revived she said something along the lines of "How would you describe the color blue to a blind man?"
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>>61730480
the human mind is not compatible with eternal life
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>>61730260
>>61730201
>>61730142
>>61730308
Fuck off atheism is for literal teenagers who self identify as anarchists

I'm sure you all listen to Andrew Jackson jihad
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>>61730526
>what it's like
>what it's like

there is no "what it's like" anon it isn't like anything at all, fuck

some of you lot are really slow
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>>61730553

>I'm scared to die: The post
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>>61730526
do you have a source for that? that's really interesting
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>>61730553

Original question asker here. I am not an atheist.
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>>61730546
how do you know?
if we can travel someone's consciousness to a computer it's as close as immorality gets
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>>61730473
>>61730439
>>61730411
>>61730308
>>61730260
>>61730142
>>61730201
*tips fedora*

Reddit gold, fellow gentlexirs!
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>>61730546

>source: my anus
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>>61730553
if you believe god exists in the sense of the bible you're delusional

if you believe god = nature like einstein or spinosa or something then that's also retarded because they just said that shit so they didn't have to deal with the atheist label
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>>61730569
>fuck off dad I don't want to to church, I can't support a cishet white male patriarchy!
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>>61730591
immortality*
fuck
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>>61730591
Many humans have started to lose their minds by the close of their 100 or so years. What makes you think that we could continue on indefinitely? We have expiry dates for a reason.
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>>61730605
A Q U I N A S
K I E R K E G A A R D
K A N T
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>>61730614

There's hope for you, anon.

http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/anal-fissure-treatment
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>>61730625

They lose their minds BECAUSE of aging, doofus. Their brain isn't working properly. If their brain regenerated continuously through medical advancement they wouldn't lose cognitive ability.

>>61730633
>god exists because he exists and i said so

Sums up those philosophers entirely.
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>>61730605
Delusional is an irrelevant term if it cannot be defined or is not universal. Because reality is subjective, your fedora spiel is as valid as a schizophrenics'. You trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you that God doesn't exist and that you can only perceive off of the chemicals in your brain.

Tldr; I BTFO'd a dumb condescending millenial with the subjectivist redpill
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>>61730592
>oh, he doesn't believe in an afterlife, better call him a fedora
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>>61730578

It's in Sam Parnia's book "The Lazarus Effect" (He's actually taken seriously, unlike Robert Lanza or Eben Alexander). Also I was wrong, it was three hours.
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>>61730664
>If their brain regenerated continuously

what
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>>61730720
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomerase
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>>61730664
Nice generalization, reddit. God I can smell your hipster tattoos and smug secular face from my monitor. I'm convulsing from the stench.
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>>61730664

Anon, Action Philosophers is great but incredibly reductive in talking about philosophers. That is not their argument.
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>>61730733

Good to know you have such theatrical reactions to 4chan posts. Might want to get checked for autism.
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>>61730695
>reality is subjective

I bet you apply this logic daily when deciding to leave your house by the front door or the second story window.
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>>61730699
*tips fedora*

[you literally can't win this argument, kid. shitposting is the ultimate counter argument. better throw in the towel and venture off to reddit where you can talk about bernie sanders.]
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>>61730514
>Jeff has 40 years
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>>61730755
an atheist calling anyone else autistic? absurd
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>>61730421
source?
that was very quick if so.
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>>61730762
it doesn't really matter whether he "wins the argument", whether you believe so or not, you are going to die and there will not be an afterlife

there is no need to convert you to this set of beliefs, and if you want to waste your life limiting yourself to the morality of a chosen religion I will quite happily let and even enjoy the thought that that is what you are doing
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>>61730762
Nice generalization
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>>61730792

I'll keep replying if you do.
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>>61730781
he's only 45 y'know
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I'd be pretty happy if I lived to 69 desu

Friendly reminder that Morrison and that guy from coil died reletively young
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>>61730796
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/12098782/David-Bowie-cremated-without-ceremony-in-New-York.html

Yes, it was all done really fast according to his wishes
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>>61730799

>Morality of a chosen religion.

>Atheism has Pol Pot, Stalin, and the Kim Jong family among its representatives.

Not the best move there, anon. Every faith (and atheism is a faith) has its shit members.
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>>61730819
i think hell be fine
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>>61730695
>my subjective view is objective
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>2016
>Bowie dies
>world economy collapses
>WW3 commences
>billions dead
>civilization ends as we know it
>states restructure as three mega-states as per 1984
>tfw blackstar isn't just a requiem for Bowie, but for the whole of humanity
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>>61730848

Did anyone ever find out what happened to this guy? Was he the inspiration for the fedora meme?
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I don't think I've felt this empty before. It's been a few days and it still hurts. His music pulled me through so many tough times.
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>>61730799
Name one single successful secular or communistic society
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this discussion was doing great until reddit came with their gay religion vs atheism wars
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>>61730870
Venezuela
:^)
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>>61730866
hit music will always be here anon, just be happy Bowie was around in the first place
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Jesus
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>>61730831
>Every faith (and atheism is a faith

nope, it's a belief in science
and science relies on evidence
and as there is no evidence to believe in a creator-god, I don't believe in a creator god

that is the most important distinction, a faith tells you what to believe regardless of the evidence and remains stubborn in holding onto those beliefs, whereas science shifts its beliefs based on what it discovers

0/10
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>>61730566
Do you enjoy being this obtuse about stuff no living person knows about?
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>>61730848
you are seriously struggling with the meaning of subjectivity
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>>61730933
see it as obtuse if you want
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>>61730695
hello reddit
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>>61730931

>Belief in science.

What? That's not what atheism is at all. It's literally just that you do not believe in the existence of god. When the fuck did science decide it wanted to form a church? Is this Dawkins' fault?

Religions allow for science too. Catholics came up with the Big Bang, we use Islam's numerals, and a bunch of pagans pioneered the concept of zero.
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I haven't been able to jerk off since he died. It just feels wrong.
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>>61730986
you're right, I'm wrong. atheism isn't necessarily a belief in science. only 95% of the time. naturally people tend to believe something, and if what they believe is not religious or spiritual then it is scientific. but I guess you are right in pointing out there is a small group of people who don't believe anything at all.

PS.
I hate Dawkins
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>>61731021
jerk off to bowie. bring this shit full-circle

it's what he would have wanted
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>>61731027

>Dawkins Hate.

At least we can agree on something here. He's a terrible, terrible man.
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>>61730406
I always thought this. Like you wake up in the future. But I think that would still require consciousness preserved in the brain or smth. Who would even go and dig up all the dead people in cemeteries etc just to bring everyone back to life (maybe even in a VR)
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>>61730931
Nietzsche literally predicted science becoming a religion


You literally need to go back to reddit
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>>61731073
>Who would even go and dig up all the dead people in cemeteries etc just to bring everyone back to life

i think once the technology exists to make this happen, society pretty much has an obligation to bring everyone back to life
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>>61731073

I could see this happening in two ways.

1. If the particles that make up you eventually form another person after you die, are you conscious as that person?

2. Eventually, will someone be born with the exact same things that make up "you", and will you be conscious as that person?

This is not reincarnation, btw. This is more of a repeating pattern. You would not remember anything under these circumstances.
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>L'admiration de Bowie est telle qu'il demande à rencontrer "Le Grand Jacques" lors d'un passage à Paris en 1973. Mais le sentiment semble loin d'être réciproque. En cause : la bisexualité que Bowie avait affichée un an plus tôt. Selon Jérôme Soligny, journaliste et biographe de Bowie, Brel répond : "Comment un pédé pareil peut-il croire que je pourrais avoir envie de le voir ?"

Jacques Brel confirmed based
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>>61731126
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Where would they fucking live? What would they consume? What would they do? Where would they work?

Imagine if there were literally billions more people on the planet, using resources, contributing nothing, taking up space. That is such a bad idea.
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>>61731126
I guess it would be in a VR, not reality

>>61731133
Yeah, that's why I was saying the conciousness has to be preserved. I doubt any kind of tech could salvage that. Otherwise at most it would be a clone.
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>>61731075
Wow I've read Nietzsche too anon well done
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>>61731158
VR
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Get over it faggot
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>>61731158
that's the dumbest shit you've ever heard?

it's a big universe man, if we can figure out how to bring people back to life, we can figure out how to colonize other planets

use your imagination, it's not like any of the shit we're talking about is going to happen
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>>61731218
yeah good point
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>>61731075

I always enjoy pointing out that Srinivasa Ramanujan, who's one of the most influential mathematicians ever, never wrote proofs and claimed he got all his equations from a Hindu god giving them to him in his dreams. And every time someone does a proof of one of his equations he's right. Of course, that could mean he was insanely smart and just going off intuition or he was just trolling everyone, but who knows?

A lot of scientists are incredibly religious throughout history, in fact. People like Dawkins are the exception. Werner Von Braun insisted that there was an afterlife, for instance.
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>>61731232

There is some stuff that is mindblowingly dumb out there, such as people who believe the earth is hollow. Or that time is cubed.
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>>61731263
dawkins is barely in a minority, many people are atheistic these days

he's not a good representative for atheism either, with his sneering "militant atheism" bullshit
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>>61730445
Reminder Bowie's mix is underrated. Reminder if he hadn't done it the record company probably would've gotten some hack who would've butchered the album.
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>>61731355
>no source
kill yourself infidel
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>>61731429
>Bowie mix
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>>61731626
?
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>>61730829
>david bowie is just ashes now and will never exist again
mcfucking end my life
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>>61731879
i'm glad he's gone, fuck him and his sacred cow status
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>>61731810
best mix is 97 vinyl iggy
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>>61729542
>Bowie reveals he isn't dead
>Says it was all a part of his Blackstar character
>An unfathomable number of people are extremely angry and extremely happy at the same time

I'm still holding off on binge listening to Bowie's entire discography in the dark while crying. Just in case this happens.
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>>61730362
except your brain releases DMT and you go on one final trip idiot
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>>61730445
>tfw brought the Iggy Pop mix version of Raw Power
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>>61731879
Ashes to Ashes
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>>61730421

>tfw we should have been able to literally smoke him

Imagine being a star like Bowie and decreeing that you want your fans to smoke your dead body, to blaze it faggot at 4.20 on the 20th of April.
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>>61730142

It'd be cool if they uploaded Bowie's consciousness to be the first and ultimate AI of the singularity, and he would become our benevolent overlord and we his pampered pets.
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Friendly reminder that Bowie is, in a sense, still alive in the game Omikron: The Nomad Soul
The game breaks the third wall by directly addressing the player and bringing them into a 'real, living world' and repeatedly say 'this computer game is a conduit for your consciousness to inhabit the world'. In Omikron, Bowie is like a cyber techno God who is also in a band.
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>we'll all be dead one day
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how is it people know when their time is up?

bowie with this album, but more personally, my grandfather who cried for me to carry him home so he can die between his loved ones and not in the hospital, he died that night when i left the hospital
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>>61727493

>tfw muh bobo is gone forever ;________________;
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Check this out:
https://youtu.be/-wCLmrap83E
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a fitting tribute
https://soundcloud.com/lidogotclouds/space-oddity-lido
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>>61730870
>Name one single successful secular society

As in a declared secular government/nation, or the common social trend?
If the former, the USA, if the latter, Scandinavia.

>Reminder that the US has been stated to both not in any way be a Christian nation, and be a secular nation (church/state separation).
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>>61727493
Yes OP , now let him stay legendary , even in death
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>tfw this interview only a few days after Ronno died

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRR52hbNSB4
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>>61730142
Brain is center of consciousness.

Consciousness is a combination of sensory input, processing of that sensory input and memory.

When brain dies, consciousness is gone.

The end.
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>>61735308
>we'll all listen to our favorite artist for the last time one day
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>>61730142
He'll shitpost here for a while and then move on.
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>>61736133
there is reason to think consciousness is more than that; the hard problem of consciousness hasn't really been dealt with convincingly.

sensory input and memory don't require consciousness
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>tfw cancer is cured in 20 years and Bowie just missed out, but you will live longer in a world without Bowie
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>>61735470
I think there's a certain power of the mind over the body that one can achieve in his lifetime, but this power is especially strong when nearing death and still having something very important on your mind, like surviving the release date of your final album or seeing your loved ones one last time.
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>>61736230

>tfw cancer is cured and artificial livers are possible by the end of this year

:((((((
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>>61736222
>sensory input and memory don't require consciousness

That's not what I was saying. I'm saying sensory input and memory, when reaching a certain degree of sophistication, simply ARE consciousness.
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>>61736280
I think he was euthenised. The paralysed guy who wrote the diving bell and the butterfly died a week after it was published.
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>>61735290
this is the gayest shit I've ever read in my life
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>>61736321
Actually, this guy died TWO DAYS after the book was published.
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>>61735290

gayest fucking shit ever spoken on this board. fuck the right off you pussy.
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>>61736230

>Obama actually made it a govt priority to cure cancer on Monday

http://www.wired.com/2016/01/obamas-anti-cancer-moonshot-will-need-more-than-research/
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>>61736402
>>61736503
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>>61730847
pls no
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And now Alan Rickman is dead, too.
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>>61736297
Although I believe you're right, as far as I know this statement can't be taken as a fact.
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>>61737138
So that was the 4 day surprise. Pretty cruel, Bowie.
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where the fuck did the monday go
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