>>61716290 it isnt, people here overemphasize the anti-white aspects of the album and feel victimized. It is a very personal album and highly critical of black culture if someone actually listened. That being said Hood Politics, How Much a Dollar Cost, and You Ain't Gotta Lie could/should have been cut
>>61716474 >critics cite an album's innovation as one of the main reasons for its high rating >further research reveals that it wasn't really as original as the critics generally thought >thus, the album could be considered "overrated"
It's also Black as fuck. "Blackness" is a concept that remains fluid and intangible, but so solid that one can feel it when it’s present. And it was all over Butterfly. From the opening notes (a sample of Boris Gardiner's "Every Nigger Is a Star") to the closing—a fabricated conversation with Tupac Shakur—the album is packed with Blackness.
All of this Blackness is important. Important because sometimes white people need to take a metaphorical seat—to sit down, shut up, and listen to conversations in which they are a cultural object, not the center. This is not an easy task. White people have been way too comfortable for way too long in this country, in this world. Way too comfortable with the way they choose to see reality solely through their own gaze, way too comfortable with their sense of entitlement over the planet and its resources, way too comfortable with their appropriation of culture in ways large and small, way too comfortable with the stories they tell, the lies passed off as the history of mankind. Way too comfortable with the things they pick up, way too careless with the way they put them down. But Kendrick was willing to discomfort the comfortable. He took all of the acclaim he had received as a critical darling from his major label debut—the rightfully extolled good kid, m.A.A.d city—and doubled down on his Blackness, not for the entertainment of white people, but in near-total disregard for their experience of his conversation. He was Miles Davis playing with his back to the crowd, and in that sense, it's a miracle that this record has found the audiences that it has found.
>>61716564 Shut the fuck you stupid pretentious fuck, nobody cares. The album sucks, is over-rated and Kendick Fagmar tried too hard to create a modern day classic and tried so hard to make black people to be victims, KenIsuckDIck will never make an album like illmatic, hell he won't even make an album better than blue print 3 LOL
It's a well done album. Instead of trying to go for some innovation gimmick it focused on good songwriting/composition. The production's great with enough variation and changes to definitely put it far above the usual repetitive loops that plague the genre. Kendrick may not have a unique flow like say...MF DOOM but his ability to transition between flows is really good. The lyrics, while not covering original concepts ends up hitting said concepts in interesting ways (the black power/cuck memes are for example very much based on a basic surface level interpretations of the lyrics Kendrick's definitely in the "guys we must fix ourselves" group instead of the "it's the white man's fault.) Some music obviously goes for a more adventuristic route trying to introduce fresh new things to music, but then there's other music that takes the route of mastery trying to make the best out of what already exists. TPAB is the latter.
>>61716474 No it means the majority receives enjoyment for reasons other than the merit of the music itself, or are unaware of (or purposely ignore for whatever reason) the existence of superior music/things.
>>61716564 btw if he's so black and proud why'd he shill out and do a taylor swift song you dumb fucking cuck LOL kill yourself ASAP you white guilting faggot, I'm sorry but I lived in the ghetto, I'm white and my family got out in a matter of 2 years because we actually tried
>>61716664 what do you expect from stupid white guilt shills like pitchfork? they know nothing about music but think they know everything by comparing artists that aren't in any way related and think it's clever and cunning
>>61716660 Those have absolutely nothing to do with what I said though. That other post's some stupid shit from P4K. Every time I read something from P4K, it's something music related but without actually talking about the music. Fuck that place.
>>61716727 I simply don't like this album, it's a stupid attempt at trying to be the ghetto savior or whatever he wants to be, this isn't the kind of person who's a good voice for the black community, he's a fucking twit that can't rap, he's on a fucking taylor swift song for god sakes, he's just a fat shill with average ability and he's over-hyped like his trash music, Joey Bada$$ or Underachievers over this blimped up trash anyday
>>61716763 >the ghetto savior What? A lot of it is his own personal self discovery story, the rest is about working TOGETHER. Like the whole message is about the idea that not one or two people/things can automatically change this.
>bad voice for the community I prefer his "we have to change all the bad stuff ourselves" to the retarded Black Lives Matter's vitriol that blames white people
>Fat shill Did a BMI calculation he's under normal weight not over nor under.
Way to post truly overhyped stuff in Bada$$ though. Niggas expecting a 4/5 album he releases barely a 3/5.
They need to give me more work at work if I am seriously responding to bait posts like this
>>61716907 go ahead and tell a black fan of kendrick's you agree with his message, they're ignorant fucks like him and won't like you simply because you're white, that's the kind of person who listens to his music. Just like if you were black and told a racist that you love motorhead in the deep woods of alabama, they'd fucking kill you because ignorant people listen to that music an are fueled by it, all Kendrick does is create ignorance by painting an un-true picture that whites are to blame, and if you had half of a brain you'd see that.
>>61716947 Wow. It's funny how people act like they are ssssooo above this album that it's too stupid for them, then continue to miss the points on said album. Learn to point out the difference between a meme and truth dumbass. Shit turns out even TPAB is too intellectual for you.
>>61716953 It's a problem, but not one that you can use to blame shit that's been happening in ghetto neighborhoods for years.
>>61717035 lol are you fucking retarded, you think that none of these black kids shot by cops weren't running around killing each other in the hood or killing people for being a different skin color? they were. they're racist apes and deserved to be shot dead, in fact any racist in the hood deserves to be shot dead where they stand.
>>61717046 No it's just an album of white guilt, you're just fucking retarded, go tell someone in the hood you agree with the messages in the album and get shot dead because they're ignorant and think you're opressing them, literally they'll kill you for it.
>>61716980 Or maybe if you fucking paid attention to what you're listening to, there is no vitriol against the white people as a whole. The black friend of mine who introduced to me to Kendrick years ago has quite possibly one of the most diverse group of friends I have seen a person have.
>>61717119 Yes they're ignorant idiots who have only been shown to kill each other over money or kill someone else for being a different skin color, that's what ignorant people do, just like trailer trash, they do the same shit. Oh and guess what motivates them to do this? The music they listen to.
>>61717117 LOL the whole album is anti-white don't even sit there and lie to me like that, you think the ignorant people this album is directed towards understand the "real message" no, they think "kendrick muh nigga hur dur kill whitey" that's what they derive from it, you big dumb stupid.
>>61717168 Uhm Michael Brown choked out a gas station owner for a swisher sweet, and had pictures of him posing with guns? He also tried reaching for the cops gun when he was shot? Trayvon Martin known thug in his area, seen on facebook flexing with guns, yeah, they didnt kill anyone or hurt a soul, huh? They were both kind gentle understanding people huh? Or were they apart of the scum of the fucking earth that need to die?
>>61717100 This is literally you going 1+1=3 and me going 1+1=2 this can't be debated. For fucking years Kemdrick has said that we need to fix ourselves instead of blaming the white people.
>>61717152 >the music they listen to Gangsta rap hasnt been popular in years though. Your post shows a lack of understanding about the situations in such places. Not saying that these things don't happen, but they do for reasons that went way over your head. But then this is 4chan finding a poster who is/or is acting like a sociopath with no empathy is common.
I guess I was misled by /mu/. The term gets thrown around here more than loosely. However, the term is a really vague one since in most case it's hard to predict what people would like in terms of music.
Hmmm, for example while I think that something can be objectively original I don't think that the degree of originality is all that measurable so a critic can't be wrong about the degree of originality but about the claim as a whole. Also, I don't think that the term overrated applies in this scenario, I'd say that they just have a misinformed opinion. Thanks for the conversation.
>>61717185 So you are admitting that the actual message is in fact about blacks working on improving themselves. But then you go on and make generalizations about everyone on the ghetto being dumb as shit. That no empathy sociopath bullshit that is oh so common up in 4chan.
>>61717299 Did he directly say that we need to not blame white people for this? No. That tweet can easily be mis-interpreted by ignorant people, it has to be made crystal clear to them, they literally do not understand a tweet like that.
>>61717304 Yeah, it's only their fault that they were shoved into crammed urban areas a century ago and forced to attend underfunded schools with poorly trained teachers, have little to no opportunity to advance, are over-policed and are disproportionately the most likely demographic to be arrested, convicted, send to prison or killed by police. The white man never did anyting wrong.
>>61716564 I agree with everything you said and think you said it really well, except the part where this white comfort is just an illusion created by people with a shittier life. That's a really good analysis though, I'm considering quoting you in my facebook page.
>>61717497 I would be possibly lying due to situations in the ghetto, but that wasn't my point. My point was that TPAB doesn't blame whiteys. Sure you definitely have ignorant idiots in and outside ghettos that do, but that's an entirely different case from the message of this album. This discussion has now gone in a direction more fit for I guess /pol/? That being said again, don't underestimate the intelligence of guys in the ghetto. Shit, guys like MF DOOM and MF GRIMM have been among the worst off in the ghetto that are peeps in the hip hop game (DOOM was homeless for years after his brother died, GRIMM went to jail for murder right after make Iblyis), yet they choose to do clever rapping using a very comic book-esque style instead of directly talking about muh ghetto.
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