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How did he do it, /mu/? How did he make an album of nothing but broadway showtunes and get such praise for it?
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Style. His music has always been hilariously mediocre but did he have style.
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still nothing as good as noise pop era flaming lips
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How did they do it, /mu/? How did they make an album of nothing but broadway showtunes and get such praise for it?
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How did he do it, /mu/? How did he make an album of nothing but ambient electronic showtunes and get such praise for it?
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>>61690350
still nothing as good as noise pop era flaming lips
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I'm 28 years old, I'm probably older than the majority of people on /mu/. I've studied music theory in college for five years. I play more than five instruments including guitar and violin. I'm part if a rock duo and I perform monthly at various places. We've been working on an album since 2014. I think I know what I'm talking about.
To all you Ziggy Stardust fags, how much music theory do you know? What instruments do you play? I'm guessing none.
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How did he do it, /mu/? How did he make an album of nothing but Broadway showtunes and get such praise for it?
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>>61690421
have you made something as good as noise pop era flaming lips did? I'm guessing no
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>>61690421
who?
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>>61690421
>I'm 28 years old, I'm probably older than the majority of people on /mu/. I've studied music theory in college for five years. I play more than five instruments including guitar and violin. I'm part if a rock duo and I perform monthly at various places. We've been working on an album since 2014. I think I know what I'm talking about.

Going to force the shit out of this meme, are we?
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>>61690317
>His music has always been hilariously mediocre
"Life on Mars" chords:
F: xx3211
F/E: xx2211
F/Eb: xx1211
D7: xx0212
Gm: 355333
Gm/F: 1x3333
C: x32010
Ab/Eb: x66544
C/E: 032010
Fm: 133111
Ab/Gb: 2x111x
Db: x46664
F/A: x03211
Bbm: x13321
Db/B: x2x121
Bb: x13331
Eb: x68886
Gm: 355333
Gb+: 2xx332
Fm: 133111
Cm: x35543
Ebm: x68876
Gm2: xx5333
Gm/F#: xx4333
Gm/F: xx3333
Gm/E: xx2333

Ironically, /mu/'s musical illiteracy hinders them most when they're attempting to describe straightforward pop.
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>>61690332
>>61690398
>>61690438
Go to bed Wayne, David Baker-era Mercury Rev shit all over your crappy band
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>>61690421
>>61690463
ebin memes bros :^)
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How did they do it, /mu/? How did they make an album of nothing but broadway showtunes and get such praise for it?
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>>61690484
>implying
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN7lEAShGjM
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gape my dick and crawl in you shitmeister
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>>61690484
nice scaruffi drone onion mane XD
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Literally just showtunes but because people wank over her and waifu her they think its good
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somewhat believable, actually. 5.5/10
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>>61690495
>Responds with le meme response
Obviously you're oh so knowledgable about music please do tell.

>>61690463
Damn this honestly shits on even Beatles and a lot of prog Rock. Even some classical music, too .
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>>61690421
please meme this
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>>61691093
>thinks more complex=better or more interesting
>actually thinks his reply is clever
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>>61690463
Fuark
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What's wrong with showtunes?
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>>61691139
Whom are you quoting?
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>god given ass
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>>61690151
>>61690434
>>61690567
All great albums. Now Van Dyke Parks should be the one to be criticized for making an album full of shitty showtunes.
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>>61690463
>>61691093
>>61691147
This isn't complex at all you fucking idiots.
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>>61691320
play it for us anon.
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>>61691320
No one mentioned complexity, but since you're so sure about it, how about naming a few mainstream pop songs with more complex harmonic progressions. Provide Roman numeral analyses to back your point up, as well.
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>>61690421
>I've studied music theory in college for five years
>five years
>FIVE YEARS!
so many mothers sighing...
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>>61691345
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ZVmkAJS4xg
>>61691393
Strawberry Fields Forever

progression is I -> v -> viio7/C -> I -> V/C -> IV

that's roughly BSing it anyways, I'm not going to chart every exact chord.
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>>61691509
I'll give you points for honesty and trying.
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>>61691568
I'm not really trying to say Life on Mars is shit I'm just saying that people pretending it's some avantgarde song are pretty retarded ya feel me? We can like music without lying about what it is
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>>61690332
>>61690350
>>61690397
>>61690398

im a blackstar
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>>61690463
http://vocaroo.com/i/s10GouFXxDzg
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>>61691509
It's funny how you stopped just before the prechorus because you realised you were wrong and it is pretty complex after all.
You didn't even get the verse right, either.

>Strawberry Fields Forever
The refrain is nice but overall this song is far more repetitive, predictable and simplistic than "Life on Mars?"

>>61691612
No one is saying it's "avantgarde", we're saying it's an example of stellar pop songwriting.
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I say this as a recovering theater kid

if broadway showtunes sounded more like that album I'd be seeing a lot more broadway shows
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>>61692333
http://vocaroo.com/i/s156P9mN80EK
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>>61691139
>thinks that just means complexity
Again showing just how knowledgable you are when it comes to music.

>>61691320
We weren't even talking about complexity retard we were talking about harmonic nuances with the song has quite a bit of.

>>61691509
Oh god this one's even more pathetic since SFF not only has less chords (so even on the complexity meter it has less to offer) but also is less harmonically nuanced relying on muh start stop shit to be interesting instead of really taking the listener on a journey. Not to mention SFF does like the same thing again before the ending. Nowhere near as interesting as Life On Mars.

Also get that bullshit muh avantegarde out of here nobody said that either nor is avante garde music complex based on you thinking we like this cuz avante grade and the initial complexity bullshit. Get the stupid /mu/ bullshit out of your ass and realize that good songwriting/composition is actual more important than muh experimentation.
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How did they do it, /mu/? How did they make an album of nothing but edgy lyrics,noise and get such praise for it?
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>>61692883
See >>61691093

Someone clearly acting like it's something greater than fucking classical music.
Also: >>61692530
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God damn it. Why do you have to shit on Bowie?
And also, The Dreaming is a GOAT album, and Kate Bush is fucking amazing.
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>>61692963
Well, like I said it is for sure better than some classical music. Not all classical music takes full advantage of the theoretical movement/progression through chords that is allowed, and a lot of crazy harmonic shenanigans where classical music does have a lot of harmonic nuances didn't really happen till Romantic, which also went away when the avante grade gimmick faggots took over (cuz remember, just cuz you achieved total serialism doesn't mean your ability to make music's actually good.)
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>>61692530
Why are you comparing it to classical music?
You outright said the techniques he used are unconventional for pop music, which is exactly what I was saying in the first place. Did you mean to respond to >>61690463?
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>>61693090
None of the chords/movements Bowie used are unconventional for classical music. You can't just lie about that and assume I'll and everyone'll believe you.
>>61693108
Because the one anon was.
I'm totally down for saying Life on Mars is incredible for popular music.
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>>61693155
Again, where did I say it was unconventional for classical music? Did you even read my fucking post? Do you even know classical music?

Here I'll reiterate one more time. Life On Mars has a lot of harmonic nuances to it. I said it was better than SOME (again SOME) not ALL classical music. A lot of classical music pre-Romantic had more basis in having a lot of nuances when it comes to pitch (polymelodies, counterpoint, etc.) a very different world from harmony. People in classical music did do much more crazier stuff in terms of harmonic nuances than Life On Mars over here but most of that, again was during the Romantic era. Baroque era was all about having more crazy complex melodies, Classical era was based on being simplistic in general, early impressionism stuff in the 20th century is like Romantic so yeah it had crazy harmonic shenanigans too that make Life On Mars look like baby shit, while later 20th century "avante garde" stuff can't even touch more average popular music songwriting wise since gimmicks became more important.
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>>61690151
>>61690350
>>61692898
so can you do this with every album ever made? Can someone do it for pet sounds?
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>>61693820
How did they do it, /mu/? How did he make an album of nothing but amazing lyrics and heavenly harmonies and get such praise for it?
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>>61694370
Idk man I agree. How dare they get so much praise for making the best in popular music? Some bullshit indeed.
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>>61693748
The Baroque wasn't about rhythmically active shit, it was about conveying an affect in movements. The active stuff was an effect of this.
Then the classical era introduced the idea of a variety of affects per movement as an emotional journey, which produced much more interesting harmonic progressions. Mozart used everything Bowie did.
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>>61693820
>>61694370
>>61694411
It's funny because Pet Sounds is actually the worst album ITT
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>>61690421
Your dad hates you
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>>61690463
Finally someone says it.
/mu/ hasn't really got a clue when it comes to good songwriting, and it's no surprise really seeing what bands are popular here.
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How did he do it, /mu/? How did he make a career of nothing but broadway showtunes and get such praise for it?
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>>61694452
Again, WHERE DID I SAY ABOUT RHYTHMICALLY ACTIVE? MELODIC. PITCH. ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER DO YOU READ IT?

Classical's attempt at the emotional journey resulting in interesting harmonic progressions was nowhere near as next level as Romantic's attempt with the same thing. Mozart used everything Bowie did I can agree on that because again, Classical doesn't hit the level of crazy people went with harmonic shenanigans that Romantic did which surpasses Classical and Bowie.
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