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Can we all agree that this is a 10/10 masterpiece and will forever echo in Music history?
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>>61685259
ya
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>>61685259
>10/10 masterpiece
nah
>will forever echo in Music history
yes
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>>61685259
just because its author died soon after? no, fuck off
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>>61685297
Nigga pls.
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>>61685259
/haunted/core / 10
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Yes
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>>61685259
It's a solid 9/10. And yes, it's a historical end to a historical legacy.
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>>61685297
He made the album specifically because he was going to die. It's not like he made the album and then died so it's automatically hailed as a classic. This album was about his death, and was executed in an extremely beautiful way.

I'm not even a big Bowie fan, but I respect him greatly for this and the what he has done for music.
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Bowie was relentless in his artistry right until the end.
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>>61685259

A concept album about death released just a few days before the beloved artist dying?

Gee I don't know tehee
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>>61685259

Yes and yes. He turned his own death into art.
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>>61685297
>>61685535

Exactly, often the context in which an album was released can have a significant impact.
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>>61685297
yea, just because
nobody even listened to it
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>>61685259

Nice try, Bowie.
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its not a 10/10 but its a solid 8, maybe 8.5
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>>61685590
Except for the album you posted of course, because that one is awful
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>>61685259
no
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>>61685746

Haha okay man
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>>61685841
Please explain how this file works, it's freaking me out.
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>using your death as a marketing stunt to promote your mediocre, admittedly derivative music
This is a 10/10 masterpiece in advertising. It's up there with Marlboro man and will be studied by aspiring marketers and shills for decades to come due to its extreme and highly shameless and emotionally manipulative nature.
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5/10 album

will be forgotten in 6 months
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>>61685259
is this a new meme?
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First time I tried to listen something of his. I hope it's because of his age, but he sounds like a dying goat. 3.5/10
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HYPE TRAIN LEAVING STATION CHOO CHOO ALL ABOARD TO DAVID BOWIE IS LITERALLY A GOD AMONGST MEN AND PROBABLY CREATED THE EARTH STATION EVERYTHING IS A 10 CHOO CHOO LEAVING NOW CHOO FUCKING CHOO
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>>61686839
>Sounds like a dying goat
Er... well that's not entirely inaccurate
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1) blackstar
2) Diamond dogs
3) Station to station
4) the next day
5) Tin machine II
6) Earthling
7) black tie white tie
8) outside
9) Heathen
10) Hours...
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>>61686840

>Artist has been a beloved public figure for fifty years
>Releases an album contemplating death and his own mortality, it's generally very well received
>After he dies a few days later, his final album has a deeper resonance for many people

What's wrong with this? I really don't understand the problem.
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So do the stars at the bottom spell B O W I E or something?
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>>61688478

yes
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>TIS A PITY SHE W-(coughs up his own spit in the middle of the take)-WHORE

What did he mean by this?
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>>61685731
Realistically this is the correct answer. It's a great album but it isn't even is best work. It will definitely be remembered though.
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>>61688538
That's the rawest and clearest sign that he had lung cancer and was soon going to die. That's a proper emotional vocal performance.
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>>61686555
V cool
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>>61688538
>>61688611

Makes me think of that sneeze in "Please Mr Gravedigger".
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>>61688538
That 'worst page in the universe' guy.
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>>61685259
Stop shilling this because he died, for fuck's sake
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david bowie has never clicked on me
he has nice singles but he sounds really generic
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>>61688794
Have you listened to Low?
Listening to his more experimental works, when I didn't like his glam stuff, helped me appreciate his early stuff
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David Bowie turned marketing into the essence of his art. All great phenomena of popular music, from Elvis Presley to the Beatles, had been, first and foremost, marketing phenomena (just like Coca Cola and Barbie before them); however, Bowie turned that into an art of its own. With Bowie the science of marketing becomes art; art and marketing become one. There were intellectuals who had proclaimed this theory in rebellious terms. Bowie was, in many ways, the heir, no matter how perverted, of Andy Warhol's pop art and of the underground culture of the 1960s. He adopted some of the most blaspheme issues and turned them upside down to make them precisely what they had been designed to fight: a commodity.
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>>61688538
He stole that from New Order.
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>>61685535

This. The album is great, but the context makes it a real punch in the gut. Heartbreaking and beautiful.

His legacy is hard not to respect, but this album truly cemented his place in music history.
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>>61688422
I respect you.
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>>61688611
He had liver cancer, not lung cancerf
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>>61685566
>He turned his own death into art.
By releasing an album a few days before he died?
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>>61685746
Nnnggg kill yourself
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>>61685259
The only reason people like this so much is cause Bowie died a few days after releasing it. It's just like what happened to john Lennon and his album double fantasy . it was a meh album that is only well remembered and well reviewed because he got shot soon after releasing it.
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>>61688794
he sounds generic because so many people have been inspired by him to make similar music

its like someone in the year 2016 watching seinfeld for the first time. theres a good chance they wont enjoy it.
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>>61690402
The album was getting good reviews before he died though. Even better reviews than his last few albums.
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can't something just be interesting beautiful without arbitrarily sticking it on a 0 to 10 scale? the situational context is fairly unique, whether or not it "raises" it's "score" doesn't really matter, does it?
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>>61690413
>David Bowie is the Seinfeld of music
Is this like a new meme or something?
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>>61690339
by releasing an album about his death which we didn't understand until after he died because his condition was a secret
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>>61685354
Try hard bullshit. The kind of book that people say you don't "get" but is really just gibberish elevated by circumstance
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>>61690503
>the album was about his death

Reaching
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>>61688442
underrated post
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>>61685259
10/10, no.
But it's really moving, even without the context.

Bowie was really a black star too.
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>>61690475
Then this board would end. If 'best' 'better than' were filtered it would die.
I'm really fucking tired of 'X is better than Y which > Z'
Even if you can argue this banal shit out, who cares?

I should probably go.
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So, what happened on the day he died?
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>>61685285
this, it was a solid 8, but damn was it a great way to end a career
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>>61690539
That's what the Lazarus director who knew what was going on said, though
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>>61690539
Hey maybe you should listen to it
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>>61690639

Can you read? If so, read the picture you posted. It says "cleared" right at the start
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>>61690639

>implying Bowie would even have the physical power to rape a preteen

look at this limpwristed brit. I love him for his music, but my 9 year old cousin could probably take him down in a fight.
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>>61690687
I might if it weren't for all you pretentious fans poisoning the album's reputation.
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>>61690741
>>>/trash/
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>>61690745
>i don't like the fanbase so i won't like the album
why can't this meme die already
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>>61690539
It actually was though, what are you on about?
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>>61690789
Source? For some reason this turns me on.
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>>61690745
I hate you
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i don't think it's exactly 10/10, but it's pretty damn good.
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>>61690745
goodbye /r/eddit!
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You guys will forget about it in a month or less when new Kanye and AnCo come out.

>acting like you are a real Bowie fan just because he suddenly died
>acting like Blackstar is anything more than a 6.5/10 because he suddenly died
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Solid 8 for me. Backstory of it might take it up to 8.5-9
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>>61690475
This. I swear some of you would try rating the return of Christ out of 10.
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1) Aladin Sane
2) Zyggy
3) Blackstar
4) Scary Monsters
5) Outside
6) S2S
7) Hours
8) The Man
9) Let's Dance
10) Self titled
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>>61691285
2/10, Kanye did it better.
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>>61685259
It would only be 10/10 if everything about it was perfect, which it isnt. However I agree with Fatano that it deserves 9/10. In 50 years this album will be cited as an influential album for sure.
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>>61691764

How can it influence anything if it didn't innovate in any way?
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>>61691864
>''woah this album sounds cool, it has influenced me to play music in a similar vein''
fucking retard
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>>61685259
Agreed one of my personal 10/10s even before he died
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How do Tis a pity she was a whore and Sue dit into the theme of bus death?
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>>61691920

"sounds cool" is subjective, with that argument you could say practically anything is "influential", but we are talking about "influential" in a history of music context, and Blackstar does nothing that has not been done before in the history of music, therefore it has no influence to give, except for "sounds cool" I guess (to people who haven't heard more original music).

if anything Blackstar is discount Kid A.
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>>61692037
"retard"
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>>61685259
I can't stop listening to it.
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>>61692078

name one thing that Blackstar was the first album to do

you literally can't
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>>61692037
Name something original/influential that was released post 1999.

I'll wait. Seriously, can't wait for you to name something so I can break one off in your ass.
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>>61692122
It was the first album that turned celebrity deaths into performance art. Not the first album to be written on a death bed mind you, but the first album to treat mortality and fame as objects to be manipulated in a piece. Musically the album is good. Not something I can see myself jamming out to in a few months, but overall good. However the entire package is beautifully done and very moving.
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>>61692122
the song blackstar
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>>61692037
stupid asshole. address this post >>61692187
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what do the pieces of stars mean at the bottom? it doesnt look random, more like a pattern
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>>61691966
those two songs were first released in 2014, probably written before Bowie decided that his death should be the concept for the album
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>>61692299
The outline spells out Bowie
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>>61692299

It spells "bowie"
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Heroes
Rise Of Ziggy Stardust
Low
Hunky Dory
Scary Monster
Diamond Dogs
Black star
The Next Day
Hours
Black Tie White Noise
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>>61692299
B O W I E
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>>61690745
>people like this exist
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>>61692340
>>61692329
oh, ok :(
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>>61692319
He had cancer for 18 months. Im not sure when the single was released but that would put it in 2014. It only took 3 sessions to record the whole thing so he probably knew early on this is what the album was going to be about, if it didnt influence him from the get go.
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>>61692187
Lift Yr Skinny Fists
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>>61691966
I quite like how they act as breathers between the two more depressing tracks, "Blackstar" and "Lazarus". It increases the impact of Lazarus at least. That being said, I do think they are the two weaker tracks on the album.
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>>61692448
Just to make sure we're on the same page, what exactly is original/influential about this record?

Y'know, before I get started?
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Someday I will take this death concept album to the next level and kill myself while recording the closing track so the listener can hear the artist dying. Then it will end with a locked groove and it's just like a fan or air conditioner or refrigerator running. First thing... become a legendary musician.
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>>61685297
yeah... fucking people
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>>61688422
Just three words.

>All Bowie albums.
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>>61688538
Something happened on the day he died.
Spirit rose a metre and stepped aside.
Somebody else took his place, and bravely cried.
How many times does an angel fall?
How many people lie instead of talking tall?
He trod on sacred ground, he cried loud into the crowd...
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>>61692608
I'm going to record all the kids I have being born, along with their conception so they can use it in future artistic endevours.
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>>61692187
Person Pitch.
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>>61692750
Will you also film your wife's son's conception? It'd be nice for him to at least see what Marquis looked like.
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>>61688538

What i think; he wasn't scared about death.
He was scared to non finish what he started, his art.
He did it like a man with two balls of steel.
After finishing his work, he leaves this planet in peace.

Just watch Lazarus, the video, you'll find out what i'm saying.

A truly artist.
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>>61686633
already on rym is on like 360 lists so...
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>>61692885
Yep, while he obviously loved life and art and people, not wanting to die, he embraced death more gracefully than I remember anyone else being able to do. A true artist until the very end, and a creative spirit that will live on for decades to come. TYBB.
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>>61692187
>Name something original/influential that was released post 1999.
disintegration loops
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>>61692187

There was literally no hip-hop album like this before this was released.

I would also say Radiohead's Kid A, Demdike Stare's Symbiosis, and Spring Heel Jack's Amassed.
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>>61692187
can't believe retards like this actually exist. I mean you don't have to listen to new music or think that it's good but to claim that there's been nothing influential in the last 16 years is fucking ludicrous
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>>61693351
Oh, is that right? You're welcome to name some original/influential albums from the last 16 years.

Be my guest.
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>>61693421

see >>61693192
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>>61685297
> ITT
> People who didn't even listen to Blackstar

willing to bet that everyone in this thread who shits on it didn't even listen.
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>>61692890
so was Jenny Death lel
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>>61691864
It wasn't necessarily innovative in terms of musicality, but thematically for a concept album it's amazing. Everything about the release of this and its backstory is just perfect, so potentially that could be some source of inspiration for future.
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>>61685259
I sincerely think it's a masterpiece and i've never said that about any other album before
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David Bowie is just like Jigsaw :^)

I bet a new album gets released in 3 years.
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>>61693495
It is a masterpiece.

Sadly, /mu/ is too full of trolls who will shit on it just because its such an emotionally compelling album to his fans, not to mention the posters under the age of 18, and the contrarians who necessarily must hate it because its received acclaim from every corner of the internet as a masterpiece now.

If you are looking to discuss Bowie's final masterpiece, there are far better and far more appreciative places to do it than here.
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>>61693421
I don't have to, your claim is completely bullshit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1Zcngd3VA

so just wondering, did anyone listen to this album prior to his death and figure out the overt references to his deteriorating condition and impending passing?

I listened to the album last friday night with some friends, we all thought it was a very good album, was feeling around an 8/10 or so on it. The final track, I Can't Give Everything Away, definitely sounded like a good-bye or a reconciliation of sorts, but none of us picked up on it being an album about Bowie's final days. Listening through it after the fact of the matter was absolutely chilling. It really is too real.
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>>61685535
He made an album because he know she gonna dies and THATS gonna make it a "classic"!
HOW THATS NOT A HACK ? LMAO
And everybody gonna react like you, stupid shitbraindrone.
Im not even a big Bowie fan, because he literally steal the ideas of krautrockers !
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>>61693681
I can't even write properly.
I did it, i figured out, this album was the way of telling us; Goodbye, with a lot of art, just as he knew.
He finished what he started.
R.I.P. A great Artist.
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>>61693674
>I don't have to, your claim is completely bullshit
Then refute it. Like I said, I'll wait.
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>>61693741
stupid dumb weeaboo scum
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>>61693741
It doesn't matter where the inspiration comes from, just listen and stop bitching.
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>>61692885
>He was scared to non finish what he started, his art.

This too becomes apparent during the part where bowie is worryingly and hastily writing, searching for words, time is ticking away and needs to finish.

Toms apparent skull is right next to him, death is shadowing him, reminding him he needs to finish and soon.

The skull is his Memento Mori.
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>>61693922
Yep. Fortunately he finished the album, passed his birthday, he released the album and now he's happy.

David is a legend.
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>>61693800
How would you feel if someone steal your ideas?
Plagiarism is the worst thing on music!
I hope Eno, Bowie and YOU burn in hell for being horrible people.
>>61693774
Fuck off my board, normie.
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>>61693741
This is a public service announcement to all posters of /mu/. Before us, we have a clear cut example of a truly cancerous /mu/ shitposter, likely under the allowable age of posting for this board (if you could all take a moment and report the poster for being, underage, we can move on).
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>>61693741
What about the evil, evil people that stole his ideas then.
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>>61694082
If someone steal my ideas and becomes them better, i would be proud of it, wouldn't you?

You're just a butthurt dude, envy maybe?

There's a lot of things in music, and you know what? it's simple, you listen to them or not, stop bitching dude.
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>>61685841
How does that work omg
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>>61693741
Can stole ideas from free jazz musicians stop being a bitch
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>>61685259

>10/10 masterpiece
it's 8/10 at most. better than The Next Day for sure.

>will forever echo in Music history
yes. given the level of meaning added by his death.
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>>61694007

I think also the cupboard Bowie enters at the end is symbolic of Lazarus's cave/tomb, except instead of emerging from it and being reborn, he enters it symbolizing his death, maybe to be reborn as the Blackstar..

Also I think the room he's in symbolizes/epitomizes his life at that point, his work/art/message (the writing), his impending and constant reminder of death (the skull), his illness trying to grab hold of him (the girl) and his eventual tomb (the cupboard).
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>>61693741
>Steal the idea of krautrockers

Incorrect, weeaboo dickrider
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>>61691088
I agree. I hate so much the circle jerk that is blowing up about this. I hear friends playing ''starman'' from Ziggy Stardust and literally saying ''David Bowie changed my life''. Oh really, i've never heard you mention his music and you turned off Scary Monsters and Super Creeps on the first song when I just played it in the car.... -_-

I hate when this kind of thing happens.
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>>61694390
Yep, and i also but no less important, i think he was becoming christian and a little crazy, same like Nietzsche.
Anyway, a great Artist.
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>>61692218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unnqWF25CIk

Yeah, but Blackstar has been done better beore
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>>61685841
HOW DOES IT DO THAT
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>>61694527

Something that puzzles me though, in Blackstar why does the girl have a tail, there must be something behind it but I can't apply it to anything... I can't see her having a tail just for the sake of it, it must have some meaning or be a reference to something.
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>>61694603
Or it's just there because Bowie knew people will over-analyze this when he dies and added it to fuck with them.
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>>61694437
Educate yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnMhkkgWpG4

>>61694228
No. If I steal ideas i would felt bad. Because i would recognice that im not creative enouff to do my work...
And its not even better, just better produced, because he is not poor.
>butthurt, envy
yeah it makes me depressed that someone is getting popular for trying to be something else
Its like those rappers that get money and sex for being awful people...
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>>61688566
It's not even better than his top 10 albums imho...
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>>61694494
I think the whole death and album at same time thing is kind of cool but this is getting ridiculous
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>>61694626
>Or it's just there because Bowie knew people will over-analyze this when he dies and added it to fuck with them.

Heh, maybe, i'd like to think it has some kind of meaning, though wouldn't rule out what you said.
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>>61694544
You guys really are reaching on this one ain't ya?
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>>61694639
He didn't steal it, he was influenced by it mildly. Station to Station is the only track that vaguely resembles krautrock.
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>>61694685
I really wouldn't put it past him. I mean, if I was a famous artist and was creating something knowing my death is near, I'd sure as fuck put in something without any meaning just to have people write elaborates on what I meant by it.
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>>61694639
I'm not going to argue about the Kraut, 'cause you're right, Bowie taked his inspiration from them, when he was on Berlin doing some records.

But dude, you're wrong, he reinvented various styles, that's why he's a legend now.

You and i, we can argue about it all night, days, whatever, but we're nothing compared to Bowie.

That's what i'm just trying to tell you, in Music you'll have your tastes, if you don't like something; you just simply doesn't complain about it, you just don't listen to that.

Personally i like Bowie far more than Kraut, that's something that i think it wouldn't change on me.

And the last thing, like i said; if someone steal my ideas and becomes them better, i would be proud of it.

>Shitty english, yeah, i'm not a native english.
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>>61685259
the remains of major tom are haunting, then his skull being praised like a massiah. it's a commentry on his legend. i haven't heard the whole album yet, i want to wait. to be honest i'm still feeling a lot of grief. things mean different things to different people but it's hard to describe the influence and connection i felt to his music throughout my life from his pop to weird from jaunty to dark.
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>>61694808

Yeah I also suppose having something with no intended meaning kinda makes the watcher/listener draw their own conclusions like does it imply the women on that planet are more highly evolved and no longer need men, hence the men being executed (on the day of execution), does it just imply an alien planet to draw your own conclusion to Toms fate, whos headless body was absorbed/cast into the Blackstar...

Though only one woman has a tail....

I dunno man, I guess the only guy who knows for sure can nolonger tell us.

Unless there's unreleased material, that may appear on the 4th day, but now i'm just getting carried away.
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>>61685259
I wasn't able to get around to listening it before he died. I just opened it up today. I teared up during Lazarus. It's amazing how his voice was still so strong yet he was so weak
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>>61695118
maybe people are too young to remember but a lot of people felt this way about freddy mercury during the innuendo and made in heaven albums.
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>>61693741
weeb, please.

THE RETURN OF THE THIN WHITE DUKE
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>>61694603
It's one of his multiple characters maybe. Like Mayor Tom, i guess the astronaut who appears on Blackstar is Tom.
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>>61695270
Tom, the Mayor of Blackstarville.
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Ok, I'm back.

>>61692448
>>61692850
>>61692981
>>61693192

...and there it is. /mu/, ladies and gentlemen. I actually had no intention of actually arguing with any of you troglodyte dilettantes, I just wanted to give you the rope to hang yourselves with.

I won, you lost, and you're all probably too stupid to even realize that's exactly what happened. And I only did it for the lulz.

Enjoy my last reply.
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>>61695733

>asks for examples
>says can't wait to argue the replys
>get replys
>goes full retard

I don't believe you will leave /mu/, you are the zenith of /mu/'s teenage edge with no substance
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>>61695945
>anon drops bait
>brain-dead bait gobblers gobble the bait
>anon chuckles heartily
>brain-dead bait gobbler still responding
tippity top kake. pottery
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>>61695733
haha! good one man
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6/10

it's alright
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>>61695733
Don't even really agree with this guy, but wow. If the best you can come up with is basic /mu/core, don't even bother.
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>>61694603 Because Bowie thinks it might look sexy.
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>>61690504

No, I read the thing and loved it. It's a really good book, provided you only focus on parts 1, 4, and 5.
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>>61692187
>Seriously, can't wait for you to name something so I can break one off in your ass.

threatening an anonymous poster anonymously on a burmese cross stitching website?
re-evaluate your decisions buddy, there may be room for growth
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>>61692187
>Name something original/influential that was released post 1999
Bad Company-Inside the Machine
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>>61697775
there was room for growth in your mom last night
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>>61693460
This.
I had listened to Bowie plenty of times before but never really gave much of a shit about him tbqh. Didn't even listen to the next day.
I saw Blackstar on Spotify at like 6am when I was on my way to uni, so I thought fuck it I'll listen, thought it was a fucking masterpiece.
I seriously don't believe people are calling it a great album because he died after its release, they're calling it great because it's fucking great.
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>>61697892
It's probably too eclectic for them. You can hear the Thin White Duke, bits and pieces of Ziggy Stardust and late Bowie, all mixed together with the old man he has become and surfacing from time to time. I found it great but obviously not everyone will think that way.
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>You will never hear the song blackstar performed live by bowie

Can you imagine how haunting it would be?
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>>61698176
It would be just like him.
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>>61686555
this.
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