Can we all agree that this is a 10/10 masterpiece and will forever echo in Music history?
He made the album specifically because he was going to die. It's not like he made the album and then died so it's automatically hailed as a classic. This album was about his death, and was executed in an extremely beautiful way.
I'm not even a big Bowie fan, but I respect him greatly for this and the what he has done for music.
Exactly, often the context in which an album was released can have a significant impact.
>using your death as a marketing stunt to promote your mediocre, admittedly derivative music
This is a 10/10 masterpiece in advertising. It's up there with Marlboro man and will be studied by aspiring marketers and shills for decades to come due to its extreme and highly shameless and emotionally manipulative nature.
HYPE TRAIN LEAVING STATION CHOO CHOO ALL ABOARD TO DAVID BOWIE IS LITERALLY A GOD AMONGST MEN AND PROBABLY CREATED THE EARTH STATION EVERYTHING IS A 10 CHOO CHOO LEAVING NOW CHOO FUCKING CHOO
>Artist has been a beloved public figure for fifty years
>Releases an album contemplating death and his own mortality, it's generally very well received
>After he dies a few days later, his final album has a deeper resonance for many people
What's wrong with this? I really don't understand the problem.
>TIS A PITY SHE W-(coughs up his own spit in the middle of the take)-WHORE
What did he mean by this?
David Bowie turned marketing into the essence of his art. All great phenomena of popular music, from Elvis Presley to the Beatles, had been, first and foremost, marketing phenomena (just like Coca Cola and Barbie before them); however, Bowie turned that into an art of its own. With Bowie the science of marketing becomes art; art and marketing become one. There were intellectuals who had proclaimed this theory in rebellious terms. Bowie was, in many ways, the heir, no matter how perverted, of Andy Warhol's pop art and of the underground culture of the 1960s. He adopted some of the most blaspheme issues and turned them upside down to make them precisely what they had been designed to fight: a commodity.
This. The album is great, but the context makes it a real punch in the gut. Heartbreaking and beautiful.
His legacy is hard not to respect, but this album truly cemented his place in music history.
The only reason people like this so much is cause Bowie died a few days after releasing it. It's just like what happened to john Lennon and his album double fantasy . it was a meh album that is only well remembered and well reviewed because he got shot soon after releasing it.
he sounds generic because so many people have been inspired by him to make similar music
its like someone in the year 2016 watching seinfeld for the first time. theres a good chance they wont enjoy it.
can't something just be interesting beautiful without arbitrarily sticking it on a 0 to 10 scale? the situational context is fairly unique, whether or not it "raises" it's "score" doesn't really matter, does it?
Then this board would end. If 'best' 'better than' were filtered it would die.
I'm really fucking tired of 'X is better than Y which > Z'
Even if you can argue this banal shit out, who cares?
I should probably go.
>implying Bowie would even have the physical power to rape a preteen
look at this limpwristed brit. I love him for his music, but my 9 year old cousin could probably take him down in a fight.
>i don't like the fanbase so i won't like the album
why can't this meme die already
You guys will forget about it in a month or less when new Kanye and AnCo come out.
>acting like you are a real Bowie fan just because he suddenly died
>acting like Blackstar is anything more than a 6.5/10 because he suddenly died
It would only be 10/10 if everything about it was perfect, which it isnt. However I agree with Fatano that it deserves 9/10. In 50 years this album will be cited as an influential album for sure.
"sounds cool" is subjective, with that argument you could say practically anything is "influential", but we are talking about "influential" in a history of music context, and Blackstar does nothing that has not been done before in the history of music, therefore it has no influence to give, except for "sounds cool" I guess (to people who haven't heard more original music).
if anything Blackstar is discount Kid A.
It was the first album that turned celebrity deaths into performance art. Not the first album to be written on a death bed mind you, but the first album to treat mortality and fame as objects to be manipulated in a piece. Musically the album is good. Not something I can see myself jamming out to in a few months, but overall good. However the entire package is beautifully done and very moving.
He had cancer for 18 months. Im not sure when the single was released but that would put it in 2014. It only took 3 sessions to record the whole thing so he probably knew early on this is what the album was going to be about, if it didnt influence him from the get go.
I quite like how they act as breathers between the two more depressing tracks, "Blackstar" and "Lazarus". It increases the impact of Lazarus at least. That being said, I do think they are the two weaker tracks on the album.
Someday I will take this death concept album to the next level and kill myself while recording the closing track so the listener can hear the artist dying. Then it will end with a locked groove and it's just like a fan or air conditioner or refrigerator running. First thing... become a legendary musician.
Something happened on the day he died.
Spirit rose a metre and stepped aside.
Somebody else took his place, and bravely cried.
How many times does an angel fall?
How many people lie instead of talking tall?
He trod on sacred ground, he cried loud into the crowd...
What i think; he wasn't scared about death.
He was scared to non finish what he started, his art.
He did it like a man with two balls of steel.
After finishing his work, he leaves this planet in peace.
Just watch Lazarus, the video, you'll find out what i'm saying.
A truly artist.
Yep, while he obviously loved life and art and people, not wanting to die, he embraced death more gracefully than I remember anyone else being able to do. A true artist until the very end, and a creative spirit that will live on for decades to come. TYBB.
There was literally no hip-hop album like this before this was released.
I would also say Radiohead's Kid A, Demdike Stare's Symbiosis, and Spring Heel Jack's Amassed.
can't believe retards like this actually exist. I mean you don't have to listen to new music or think that it's good but to claim that there's been nothing influential in the last 16 years is fucking ludicrous
It wasn't necessarily innovative in terms of musicality, but thematically for a concept album it's amazing. Everything about the release of this and its backstory is just perfect, so potentially that could be some source of inspiration for future.
I sincerely think it's a masterpiece and i've never said that about any other album before
David Bowie is just like Jigsaw :^)
I bet a new album gets released in 3 years.
It is a masterpiece.
Sadly, /mu/ is too full of trolls who will shit on it just because its such an emotionally compelling album to his fans, not to mention the posters under the age of 18, and the contrarians who necessarily must hate it because its received acclaim from every corner of the internet as a masterpiece now.
If you are looking to discuss Bowie's final masterpiece, there are far better and far more appreciative places to do it than here.
so just wondering, did anyone listen to this album prior to his death and figure out the overt references to his deteriorating condition and impending passing?
I listened to the album last friday night with some friends, we all thought it was a very good album, was feeling around an 8/10 or so on it. The final track, I Can't Give Everything Away, definitely sounded like a good-bye or a reconciliation of sorts, but none of us picked up on it being an album about Bowie's final days. Listening through it after the fact of the matter was absolutely chilling. It really is too real.
He made an album because he know she gonna dies and THATS gonna make it a "classic"!
HOW THATS NOT A HACK ? LMAO
And everybody gonna react like you, stupid shitbraindrone.
Im not even a big Bowie fan, because he literally steal the ideas of krautrockers !
I can't even write properly.
I did it, i figured out, this album was the way of telling us; Goodbye, with a lot of art, just as he knew.
He finished what he started.
R.I.P. A great Artist.
>He was scared to non finish what he started, his art.
This too becomes apparent during the part where bowie is worryingly and hastily writing, searching for words, time is ticking away and needs to finish.
Toms apparent skull is right next to him, death is shadowing him, reminding him he needs to finish and soon.
The skull is his Memento Mori.
How would you feel if someone steal your ideas?
Plagiarism is the worst thing on music!
I hope Eno, Bowie and YOU burn in hell for being horrible people.
Fuck off my board, normie.
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If someone steal my ideas and becomes them better, i would be proud of it, wouldn't you?
You're just a butthurt dude, envy maybe?
There's a lot of things in music, and you know what? it's simple, you listen to them or not, stop bitching dude.
I think also the cupboard Bowie enters at the end is symbolic of Lazarus's cave/tomb, except instead of emerging from it and being reborn, he enters it symbolizing his death, maybe to be reborn as the Blackstar..
Also I think the room he's in symbolizes/epitomizes his life at that point, his work/art/message (the writing), his impending and constant reminder of death (the skull), his illness trying to grab hold of him (the girl) and his eventual tomb (the cupboard).
I agree. I hate so much the circle jerk that is blowing up about this. I hear friends playing ''starman'' from Ziggy Stardust and literally saying ''David Bowie changed my life''. Oh really, i've never heard you mention his music and you turned off Scary Monsters and Super Creeps on the first song when I just played it in the car.... -_-
I hate when this kind of thing happens.
Something that puzzles me though, in Blackstar why does the girl have a tail, there must be something behind it but I can't apply it to anything... I can't see her having a tail just for the sake of it, it must have some meaning or be a reference to something.
No. If I steal ideas i would felt bad. Because i would recognice that im not creative enouff to do my work...
And its not even better, just better produced, because he is not poor.
yeah it makes me depressed that someone is getting popular for trying to be something else
Its like those rappers that get money and sex for being awful people...
>Or it's just there because Bowie knew people will over-analyze this when he dies and added it to fuck with them.
Heh, maybe, i'd like to think it has some kind of meaning, though wouldn't rule out what you said.
I really wouldn't put it past him. I mean, if I was a famous artist and was creating something knowing my death is near, I'd sure as fuck put in something without any meaning just to have people write elaborates on what I meant by it.
I'm not going to argue about the Kraut, 'cause you're right, Bowie taked his inspiration from them, when he was on Berlin doing some records.
But dude, you're wrong, he reinvented various styles, that's why he's a legend now.
You and i, we can argue about it all night, days, whatever, but we're nothing compared to Bowie.
That's what i'm just trying to tell you, in Music you'll have your tastes, if you don't like something; you just simply doesn't complain about it, you just don't listen to that.
Personally i like Bowie far more than Kraut, that's something that i think it wouldn't change on me.
And the last thing, like i said; if someone steal my ideas and becomes them better, i would be proud of it.
>Shitty english, yeah, i'm not a native english.
the remains of major tom are haunting, then his skull being praised like a massiah. it's a commentry on his legend. i haven't heard the whole album yet, i want to wait. to be honest i'm still feeling a lot of grief. things mean different things to different people but it's hard to describe the influence and connection i felt to his music throughout my life from his pop to weird from jaunty to dark.
Yeah I also suppose having something with no intended meaning kinda makes the watcher/listener draw their own conclusions like does it imply the women on that planet are more highly evolved and no longer need men, hence the men being executed (on the day of execution), does it just imply an alien planet to draw your own conclusion to Toms fate, whos headless body was absorbed/cast into the Blackstar...
Though only one woman has a tail....
I dunno man, I guess the only guy who knows for sure can nolonger tell us.
Unless there's unreleased material, that may appear on the 4th day, but now i'm just getting carried away.
I wasn't able to get around to listening it before he died. I just opened it up today. I teared up during Lazarus. It's amazing how his voice was still so strong yet he was so weak
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threatening an anonymous poster anonymously on a burmese cross stitching website?
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I had listened to Bowie plenty of times before but never really gave much of a shit about him tbqh. Didn't even listen to the next day.
I saw Blackstar on Spotify at like 6am when I was on my way to uni, so I thought fuck it I'll listen, thought it was a fucking masterpiece.
I seriously don't believe people are calling it a great album because he died after its release, they're calling it great because it's fucking great.
It's probably too eclectic for them. You can hear the Thin White Duke, bits and pieces of Ziggy Stardust and late Bowie, all mixed together with the old man he has become and surfacing from time to time. I found it great but obviously not everyone will think that way.