Did this motherfucker have the greatest death of all time? He pulled himself out of like 3 decades of musical irrelevance to make a legit great album about his own death, produces a bunch of creepy awesome music videos and then dies 2 days after it's released.
He dropped the mic on life.
Not only that, he managed to make the album about his own death without anyone cottoning on until the point.
Fuck, he managed to hold on so that all the lyrical references down to the fucking day of the week were true.
We might have artists as great as him in the future, but never another Bowie.
He died with such class and sincerity. It truly will be remembered forever. I was really hyped for this new album, and he did such a good job cryptically playing it up. Then he up and dies after it releases, making the themes on the album really sink in. Fucking legendary.
>How many times does an angel fall?
>How many people lie instead of talking tall?
Celebrities die all the time, and unfortunately Bowie had kept his health a secret from us, hes reasoning with us here.
It is interesting that leading up to Blackstar Bowie was more relevant than he had been in a long time. Pitchfork was covering him like crazy, which they didn't do for The Next Day (though he did get a BNT back then). Do you think people in the industry had a hunch?
yeah hes basically telling us to deal with it and see what happens
>i cant answer why, just go with me
i hate plunging for lyrics that dont really mean anything, but the game bowie was playing was so obvious here
>Fuck, he managed to hold on so that all the lyrical references down to the fucking day of the week were true.
I thought he had became a Sith Lord or something
Well when Michael C Hall AKA fucking Dexter performed Lazarus live instead of the man himself I'm sure there were some questions asked.
It could simply be that the label/producers knew and just pushed and marketed the fuck out of it.
I didn't listen to much of The Next Day apart from a single or two, but I got the impression from most critics that it was pleasantly familiar, but not really a significant addition to the Bowie legacy. Blackstar was a bit more jarring from the get-go, it was clearer that it was going to represent something larger than itself.
>get diagnosed with terminal illness
>fuck this .357 the way the fuck out
No way m8. If you don't fucking medicate the hell out of me, I'm taking that bullet in the brain 100%.
And I'm not even 40.
lol at musical irrelevance. Outside and Heathen are fantastic albums. Blackstar is essentially Outside 2.
Eno said he and Bowie were emailing recently and they both wanted to do something with Outside (I guess and expanded edition from all the outtakes or even maybe a sequel?) And he was looking forward to it. :(
I don't think Hall performing Lazarus was anything to be suspicious about, he's in the musical of the same name, afterall. And Bowie hardly played live since 2004.
The thin white duke remains beautiful.
The thing about Bowie's death I'm most upset about is how big an influence we've lost. Bowie made Iggy, the grandfather of punk. Bowie made Nomi, the most amazing modern operatic vocalist, arguably.
Film, music, production. You name it, Bowie had a hand in it. Where Bowie's hand was, there was gold. Bowie only really interested himself in things that were to notch. In addition, he was very humble about it. He turned down a knighthood because he simply didn't see it as conductive to his musical career. Bowie did what he wanted, when he wanted. Luckily most of what he did was pure genius.
Bowie's in space for sure. Major Tom couldn't do anything about how blue the earth was, but Bowie made sure we could forget about how blue we are for a moment with some good music. RIP Bowie. I will never forget you. The first celebrity I have truly mourned, in passing.
The lyrics of The Next Day are really excellent despite the familiar sonics.
The title track sounds like he was gearing up for his inevitable death.
>Here I am, not quite dying, my body left to rot in a hollow tree
Hollow tree being a coffin
>It's branches throwing shadows on the gallows for me, and the next day and the next...
The event of my death will cause my legacy to be obscured; so here's an album reintroducing you to my back catalog.
Yeah, but his current producer did. I'm just saying there were some people outside of his family that knew, and info can always leak. Not that that would undermine the quality of the record.
He became a Sith Lord alright, but here at /mu/ we know how to deal with Sith Lords.
god, obi wan had no merit when he said that, they literally got their ass handed to them by the last sith lord they faced and the only other sith they met was an inexperienced teenager
be nice, his head was probably fucked from his junkie years
>died on Sunday
>didn't get to live to see monday
>"Where the fuck did monday go?"
>"On the day of execution"
>"Something happened on the day he died"
>"Spirit rose a metre and stepped aside"
>"Somebody else took his place, and bravely cried"
>"(I’m a blackstar, I’m a blackstar)"
>"How many times does an angel fall?"
>"I'm dying to" (could possibly be "I'm dying too")
The incredible part is, is that no one really "got" the album totally until he died. People were speculating all sorts. Like anon said in another thread:
>all the reviews 2 days back just interpreted it as some self reflection about his career and post-modern techinques of self-reference in general
No one could really understand the album without him dying. His death is part of the experience, part of the art. Fucking mental
I'm not trying to be clever or say I figured it out because obviously I didn't, no-one did. But watching the video for Lazarus did make me feel really uneasy and get me thinking how much it would suck once he went.
Now the connection seems so obvious...
This photograph was taken on Bowie's birthday on Friday.
I'm drunk right now, but Lazarus is fucking unreal. Forget the video, just listen to this thing, slight delay sad horn, like the inverse of young americans, I don't want this track to stop but it will.
>not really a significant addition
You came to that conclusion without listening yourself? It's a great album which I've listened to solidly since it came out, especially the special edition.
Fuck critics, they have been attacking Bowie ever since the beginning. They attacked him when he was a nobody. Attacked him when Space Oddity was a hit for being a novelty act.
Critics attacked him when he was at his most popular for not putting out cookie cutter copies of Low but daring to try and be poppy, with the 80s sound he INVENTED. Why can't he get in on that? They kicked him when he was down, yet he was making some of hist best ever with Buddha and Outside. Then critics take a shit on what was the biggest comeback in history. Fuck music critics and fuck anyone who takes them seriously.
>David Bowie dies
>suddenly you fucking fags care about him
Funny how every Bowie thread I made last year barely got any replies, and now you'll all riding his dick (until next week, when you forget all about him again).
>The song was originally over eleven minutes long, but Bowie and Visconti edited it down to 9:57, making it Bowie's second-longest track ever made, behind "Station to Station", which lasts just over ten minutes. This was done after they learned that iTunes would not post singles over ten minutes in length.
>Editing your art for a single music distribution platform
into the trash it goes
That probably hit me harder than anything else, I can't imagine what it must feel like for Grand Wizard Eno given that he apparently was talking to him as recently as a week ago about actually doing Outside Pt. 2 soon and Bowie was leading him on saying it was a possibility. Seven frigging days ago. I know why Bowie did it but that's got to sting at first, being kept in the dark to that degree when you have that kind of history.
>his final act was pretending to be well
>his final act was pretending to be normal
Fuck. I think tomorrow I'm just going to climb into bed all day.
I wasn't trying to make a value judgment on The Next Day - or any of Bowie's work, for that matter - because you're right, I haven't listened to most of it myself. I was just trying to explain the contexts that informed the different anticipation it got compared to Blackstar.
Brian Eno didn't know? Visconti did right? Did Iggy know? What about Mick Jagger?
Go google Eno's statement on it, they were talking about collaborating a week ago via email and Bowie gave him no indication anything was wrong. If he didn't tell Eno I doubt he'd have told Iggy or Jagger. Visconti knew but I assume that was essential to the creation of the album.
It's hard to discuss an artist's whose best albums (before this year) were 30+ years ago without having the same threads over and over again. /mu/ has always loved Bowie, he's always the first on the "who couldn't you bear to see die" threads.
>mfw David Bowie martyred himself to redeem the fedora
>The Next Day is the twenty-fourth studio album by English musician David Bowie, released on 8 March 2013 on his ISO Records label, under exclusive licence to Columbia Records. The album was announced on Bowie's sixty-sixth birthday, 8 January 2013.
There were two whole months to get hype for it.
>Made his reputation wearing shockingly androgynous costumes and assuming bizarre alternate identities
>Final pictures are of him dressed like a perfectly ordinary man in his sixties
I'll cry even harder if that's what he's buried in
I can't even imagine the creative process on this album, on any of it. He was truly one of the greatest ever, and this cements it. He faced the truest, universal human theme, the truest theme of nature, and faced it bravely and made it one last performance. He turned ruin to eternal legend, for those who paid attention.
IDK, some of the Blackstar press pictures show him in a neo-androgyny fashion, possibly because of muh trendy streetwear, but he looked younger than he did in years.
What would be the shit though if he had not died today was do a final one-song show where he donned the Ziggy persona for one last time.
He probably started writing as soon as he found out. Nothing Has Changed was released after he found out about his illness, which explains the poignant feel of that collection. The fact that it contains Sue means he consciously knew then it would be the full spectrum of his career.
Visconti stated that Blackstar was recorded early last year over three sessions.
Yeah, I realized that about Nothing Has Changed within the last hour, which makes it kind of heartbreaking. I just take the whole thing as absolutely beautiful, that between that, Blackstar, Lazarus on Broadway, every last bit, he went into it with absolute courage and twisted it to be one last piece rather than an end.
Lou didn't make a performance out of it, but his death was still pretty beautiful, if his wife's story is to be believed
>Sun is coming up
>Sitting outside doing yoga
>Just closed his eyes and drifted away
It was even a Sunday Morning, for God's sake.
Everyone's been taking it hard, and I have, least of all. But I've taken it as inspiration. Someone has to fill the hole he's made, and I already wanted to be there even yesterday, two days, a week, a month, a year ago. I've felt that way for some time, and now I intend to fill it.
People misuse statements, phrases, all sorts of things all the time around here. Believe me when I say that every time I see that, I absolutely fucking lose it. 10/10.
This brings up a lot of things in my mind that I have always wondered about music (and art in general).
Do you think that having more information about the artist helps to understand the material? I mean, obviously it can answer questions of meaning and inspiration, but do you think that HELPS the material?
I know there have been instances where there was a song I really loved, that really touched me in a deep and moving way, but then I find out it's about some really banal shit and it kind of sours it a bit.
This is something I have always been torn about, but I think Bowie has finally given me the right perspective on it.
I think the answer is that sometimes it is important for a song to remain ambiguous, to be left open to interpretation. But then other times, such as in this case with "Blackstar", it is vital to have the narrative that surrounds the music. And although this is a very unique case, I don't believe that it is a rare one.
Bravo, Bowie, bravo.
I come from a tradition of musical theatre, of performance after story. And while I don't think that all of music is beholden to that, I believe that sometime it is necessary. It is central. And sometimes, it gives us something as beautiful as this.
Absolutely not true although there are no doubt a huge number of band wagoners in here to come.
Funny story tho is yesterday I made a bowie meme thread cause I was bored.
>I'm sittin' in the chestnut tree.
>Who the fuck's gonna mess with me?
"What did he mean by this?"
and it got deleted so I went to make another thread saying /mu/ is at a place where bowie threads get deleted and kpop is still rampant.
Around an hour later news broke he died, I don't think I'll ever meme again.
Just. Fucking. Wow.
This is exactly why Tool does not allow their shit to be sold on fucking iTunes or any other such downloadable format.
CD > Digital DL
David Gold's dead was a surprise accident but the last two songs of his album (which was mostly about people moving on after death) were Kill My Ashes Goodbye (1 and 2). Then he died in a car crash like a week before the album was released. That's my pick for most dramatic music death, but this is way up there
No. They didn't care about the next day because he was coming off nothing. The gave a shit about Blackstar because of tnd. If they had a hunch they wouldn't have taken so long to put the news of his death
He probably didn't know how to tell him.
Bowie ended the final email with a subtley messaged goodbye and Eno even admits the two of them were absurd and euphemistic with eachother when talking, so appreciates how cryptic his final goodbye was.
WHEN YOU REALIZE JAMES MURPHY WAS ON THIS RECORD
>post a few days ago to /mu/ how many more albums we can expect from David Bowie
>theorize and hope for two more, bringing his comeback to a nice four albums before we signs off
We didn't even fucking get to hear more. Why did he wait so fucking long to unretire? I feel like Blackstar was his apology for being inactive for so long.
Fucking hell, this really gets me. Been trying to hold it back but we crying now.
I get the sense that since his 2004 on stage heart attack he'd always had health problems. My father told me he read that he had 6 heart attacks in the last ten years. That sounds like rubbish, but if true, that would explain alot.
Like how young kids view Nirvana Unplugged.
Just listened to Blackstar again. I cried here and there but by Dollar Days I was full on fucking snotty nosed crying (while trying to be quiet as not to wake up my roommate) until like 20 minutes after the album was done. I just couldn't stop thinking about how David Bowie is done. His existence is no more and the soul behind the man we grew to love is gone forever and he knew it when writing those songs. He knew that soon his life and existence would blink away like a 'flash in a pan' to use some of the lyrics from the album.
i was sort of bummed that he died when I first heard. but it wasn't until I listened to the album and the lyrics knowing he made it knowing he was about to die. it just fucking wrecked me.
>he worked on the 2 worst songs on the album
It's nice to know he had come to terms with his death.
I've thought a lot about the title track. before his death people read it as a rebirth of Bowie as a recording artist, but in light of his death it seems like a different type of rebirth.
He as a mortal artist, a filmstar, a popstar is gone, replaced by something eternal, the "blackstar", his faded star, his body of work.
"David Bowie" is gone, and "David Bowie" the art work is all that is left.
something like that anyway
>No one could really understand the album without him dying. His death is part of the experience, part of the art. Fucking mental
i usually roll my eyes at analyzation like this, but you are 100% right. artistically this is on a level that very few artists have ever and will ever do.
Holy shit guys, remember that collaboration album The Flaming Lips released in 2012? Well that album had a song with Neon Indian called "Is David Bowie dying?"
Thats a whole year before The Next Day.
Pretty amazing and poignant. I'm listening to Nothing Has Changed right now and have been listening to it pretty solidly ever since it came out. Disc 2/3 is probably my favourite listen.
Anyway Nothing has Changed really was a renaissance for me and I've been really listening to his discography, studied some biographies and went to see the "David Bowie Is" exhibit when it was here. Pretty much immersed myself in Bowie for most of the year and now I'm glad I did. While I was a fan before this, now I truly understand and I did it before he died.
>"David Bowie" is gone, and "David Bowie" the art work is all that is left.
David Bowie the artwork is what we always had. David Bowie the person was never for us and he always kept that close.
>3 decades of musical irrelevance
having autism spasms. /mu/ was literally spamming Bowie's The Next Day every day when it came out. It was many people's AOTY.
Not to mention his countless work as a producer and vocalist for the work of others.
Too bad that you will never be as attractive, charismatic, artistic or innovative as Bowie. I'm not shittalking your abilities, but the chances of that are literally a lot worse than one in a million
>he's a black star now because the light of life went out
>6 heart attacks
Bowie you magnificent bastard.
>David Bowie was an artist, in every sense of the word.
Uhg. It's ok besides that first line. Not so much for the content, I just think the expression "every sense of the word" is weak and distracts from the assertion being made. I mean sure, you explain it further later, but I don't see how anything you said wouldn't just mean "artist" in a "single sense".
For intance, if you changed to "Bowie was an artist. He was a..." the statement would be stronger imo.
But good work otherwise.
KEK I love this so much. I just had a conversation about people like you last night on /tv/ in regards to Kubrick and Bill Hicks.
Anyone who's only criticism of an artist or their material is "overrated" or "they have terrible fans" is even worse than those annoying fans whom they are looking down on. Because at least those fans, as annoying as they might be, are enthusiastic and getting joy from the work.
And you and those "hipster-tier" Tool fans share at least one thing in common; neither of you have any legitimate criticism of their work.
Also, it really is "The Pot" to hear /mu/ call something "hipster", when you guys are the biggest fucking hipsters on 4chan. You all think you are so clever and unique, when really, you are just easily lead automaton, with your hipster leader Fagtano.
I know /mu/ hates Tool, and I know it is because of your perception of what their fans are like, which I'm guessing is based mostly on youtube comments or something similar. But if you can't at the very least admit how influential Undertow and Aenima, even if you want to try and say they suck, you're just being stubborn and unrealistic.
And look, I'll admit, even I can get pretty fucking annoyed at their fans. I find it tends to be people who started listening to them at Lateralus or 10,000 Days who are the "dude, weed, spirituality, dude" types. But the band themselves are not responsible for their fans behavior. They even have a fucking song talking about a really annoying fan, Hooker with a Penis.
I would like to think that he wanted Eno to bare the full brunt of the experience and presentation of his last contribution.
If this is what Bowie had in mind all along, why bring someone on the dreary inside of the thing?
Anyone know when the funeral service is going to be held? Because if it's on the 14th I am totaling calling it here. He's going to have some kind of message at his remembrance ceremony or something if it's open to the public.
But if there is a video of him from the time in the hopsital or a message he wrote to his family and friends and asked it be shared with his fans, it'd keep to the lazarus myth because it's bowie coming back from the beyond the grave (albeit for a short time).
Don't worry. Any doubt you have, I've already ascribed to myself. It doesn't matter. I'm going to do it. The last time a hero of mine died, I chose the way my life was set, got in the news, got in small films, swayed crowds and turned into someone people loved in local crowds, and that was nigh a decade before any of that happened. Imagine what I am capable of now.
Critics shit all over Never Let Me Down and the Glass Spider tour, even though in retrospect they were nowhere near as bad as made out. I'm pissed off about that because I really liked that album, and the tour redefined touring acts, yet it knocked Bowie off his feet and took years to get him back. :(
Yeah, health problems + wanting to be there for his daughter were the reasons why he initially retired. I wonder if the whole reason he came back to making music was finding out his time was running out -- everything is saying it was an 18 month battle but I wouldn't be surprised if he knew there were problems when The Next Day was being made.
I love Bowie but agree with this to a degree. The title track was fantastic but the rest of the album didn't really live up to it. It's still pretty haunting thematically though, given the circumstances.
I did the band photography for the Woods of Ypres' first album. I didn't hear about Dave's death immediately and when my friend told me I was simply stunned. He had so much left for the world.
off of pop's record 'the idiot', on which all tracks were produced and co-written by bowie. in fact, this record is sometimes considered as more of a bowie record than an iggy pop record due to his perceived contributions being more significant.