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Is she the legitimate successor to David Bowie?
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Is she the legitimate successor to David Bowie?
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100%
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Yep.
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>breaks up with Carrie
>idol dies
This new album should be great.
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>>61665894
>>61665904
>>61665918
Fuck off
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she's as much of a successor to bowie as gavin rossdale was to kurt cobain
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>>61665953
>the only one stage show of the new albm is her committing ritualistic suicide
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>>61665953
Did she really break up with that bribing?
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>>61665894
Yes
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>>61665894
she hasn't written one decent song in here life. so absolutely not.
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>>61666087
She's still with Cara if that's what you're asking about.
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Hopefully she's a successor in dying off.
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>>61666147
what did she mean by this?
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>>61666092
neither did bowie. they both represent the same selling artificial garbage as art movement. id say she is his successor.
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Who?
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>tfw Black Rainbow kicks in as a dick sucking commences

y God.
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>>61666092
>>61666189
Are you for real?
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>>61666092
Apart from most of her first album and some of Actor.

>>61666189
Idiot.
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I like her music, but she's not going to be remembered as a legend or pioneer in anything.
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>>61665894
in the same sense that chvrches are the successor to depeche mode, yes
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>>61666244
>Apart from most of her first album and some of Actor.
No. Those parts are those that you personally like them, not all her good music.
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>>61666288
she has time
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she's a fucking phony pretentious hipster cunt

pic related
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>>61666318
Strangely or not, they quite are. Name another more popular & recent synthpop band than Chvrches.
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>>61665894
Haha! No.
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>>61666353
stop, anniefag. She's like 5 albums into her career and still nothing more than indie darling.

She's set in her career trajectory, and it's not for fucking legend or pioneer status
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>>61666353
True, but i'm not sure her trajectory is going to include anything better to what she's already released. I'd be happy to be wrong though.
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>>61665894
If she isn't, then who is?
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Seriously, no. Just no. In what way is she the successor? What did she achieve? What culture has she influenced? There's no way some ok Indie songwriter is the spiritual successor to an icon for a generation, just because she has weird hair and makes kinda left-field pop music. Maybe give her more time, but for now hell no.
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>>61666394
>still nothing more than indie darling
Wrong. She's not as popular as Bowie, but she's quite popular.

She has a very strong evergrowing fanbase. Many other musicians respect and collaborate with her, people generally like her, her music is critically acclaimed.
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>>61666470
>What culture has she influenced?
It's too soon to but wait few more years and you'll see a lot of musicians naming her as an influence. You're comparing a 40 years career with a 12-13 years one. Not counting how much more difficult is these days to be a real influencer and icon.
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>>61666514
She's not really. There's not one of her vids on youtube with over 5m views, that's pretty small. Youtube views are popularity currency these days.

Yes critics like her, yes she is respected. That's the case for a lot of her contemporaries too. Bowie wasn't just any artist.
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She is not going to be the new David Bowie, that's for sure, but what some people dont get in yhis thread is that OP meant successor. Of course she is not Bowie but i would say she is the closest there is to Bowie nowadays. I mean both make art pop/rock with influences from experimental genres (usually ambient/krautrock for bowie and it is noise/no wave for annie) she played with Glenn Branca after all. Both have stage presence with costumes and pretending to be people they are not on stage, both have agitated sexual lives, both collab continiously with other artists, both have constantly been acclaimed by critics...

I know people are going to insult me for saying rhis i think she definitely is the closest to Bowie there is today
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>>61665904
>>61665918
We get what we deserve, I suppose.
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>>61665894

David Bowie influenced a whole genre.

She's just a generic artist among shit lods of others.

She isn't a prodigy. She didn't invent peanuts.

She is not a consensus.

Bowie like Jackson were popular, no matter what genre you're into, no matter if you're well educated in music or clueless : Everyone loves their music, from demanding music critics to Mr.Nobody.

Which she isn't. She is far from being at Bowie's scale and I doubt that she'll ever be.

No value judgment though.
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>>61666622
Name another artist then if she isn't good enough.
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>>61666774
This is about St Vincent and Bowie
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>>61666671
Well said. She's not going to be the new Bowie (that's impossible these days), but a great successor, why not?
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>>61666711
Bowie didnt invent anything either, he just perfected things thst were already done, see the berlin trilogy for example, he spent days with brian eno and mixed krautrock with ambient, synthesizers etc, he didnt invent it, but he took it all mixed it and made it perfect.

St vincent hasnt invented anything either but she has also been doing the same thing, see actor for example where she mixes chamber pop with noise/noise rock, and she does it perfectly
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>>61666802
Seriously, name another artist. Let's pretend St. Vincent never existed. Who's the successor of Bowie?
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No.

Lady Gaga fills the "next Bowie" better. A sad truth I know.
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>>61666882
Kanye
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>>61666882
Grimes
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>>61666189
>>>Life on Mars
>>>??????
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>>61666913
Kill self please.
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>>61666189
here's your (You)
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>>61666882
There is no successors in art. It's not a monarchy.
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>>61666882
Kanye West
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>>61666189
Pls kill yourself.
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>>61666882
Not the guy, but Kanye. Every album he released changed the music scene, every style he wore became a fashion trend. He makes accessible music, but doesn't hestitate to put out risky music for mainstream standards. Hip Hop is the new Rock. If we're talking Bowie scale than Kanye is the only one that can match. I know I will get flag for this but you know I'm right.
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>>61667041
he's a dumb nigger though and no one married to a Kardashian can ever be cool or hip, so that's impossible on two fronts
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>>61666925
Theatricality? Yes. Talent? No. Let's not forget that Bowie is also known for his multiple reinventions of his music. Kanye made the same kind of hip hop for years.

>>61666947
Grimes seems more like the new Trent Reznor. Only that instead industrial rock she picked electropop / dreampop.
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>>61665894
Fuck no.
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>>61667097
Name another artist
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>>61667090
>Kanye made the same kind of hip hop for years.

How can someone be so wrong
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>>61667090
>Kanye made the same kind of hip hop for years
You couldn't be more incorrect
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>>61667062
>no one married to a Kardashian can ever be cool or hip
kim kardashian is the most famous socialite of our time by far

her new app she put out, at peak downloads, had 9000 downloads per MILLISECOND and broke the entire apple store

she is the definition of cool and hip among normies, a modern day jackie kennedy
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>>61665894

Heaters gonna hate, but yes, she carries the torch now.
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>>61667146
I'm sure that's what they tell themselves
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>>61666671
Agree with most of what you said. She certainly reinvents herself a lot too, pure chamber pop in marry me, as another anon said she mixed chamber pop with noise rock in actor, art rock in strange mercy and a more common art rock with electronic glitch influences in s/t. Thats not forgetting her no waveish grot/krokodil
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>>61667193
i'm not saying she's good or worthwhile, i'm saying she is a modern cultural icon and holds serious influence which is objectively true
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>>61667148
St. Vincent never made a bad album so far. That's quite impressive t b h. Her profile will only raise on the next years.
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>>61667224
so did George Bush, he's not cool. well maybe a little
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>>61666362
sources?
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>>61667090
>Kanye made the same kind of hip hop for year

bruh
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>>61665953
Annie only looks like less of a shill compared to Carrie "old navy" Brownstein jfc
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>>61667268
the majority of americans voted for george bush because they thought he would be fun to have a beer with, he's definitely cool
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Bowie owed a lot of his marketability and popularity to the amount of shock value tied to his image, (and less so) his capacity for experimentation. Because the modern pop landscape doesn't find any ideals similar to Bowie's shocking, a "true" successor to Bowie is not really entirely possible.

Assuming there manages to be a true successor to Bowie (both musically and "visually"), the fact that they will never ever get radio play or any sort of highly mainstream recognition would pretty much delegate them to indie darling status as someone mentioned earlier.

A true Bowie successor would probably have to be prominent in the mainstream, highly marketable, highly critically acclaimed, and able to shock even internet millenials. The closest to Bowie right now would literally be Kanye, but the amount of shock value he brings to the table compared to Bowie is minimal.
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>>61667276
first one is from the BBC Kate Bush documentary

second one is from here

http://pitchfork.com/features/guest-lists/6680-st-vincent/
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>>61666189
;]
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St Vincent x Brian Eno when
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>>61667330
k

it was pretty obvious for me she is a businesswoman, just like taylor swift or nicki minaj
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>>61667381
Hopefully, her next project
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Annie is a controversial figure on these boards, but I guess anyone can agree that she's very talented.
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>>61665894
Well I just listned to "digital witness", and the chorus is ripped off from something else. Can't remember what though.
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>>61667546
Maybe something else ripped off Digital Witness
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>>61667587
Nah it's something from the 80's. I'm wondering if it's not on the Vice City soundtrack.
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>>61667314
I completely agree. Though if you replace the word 'shocking' with 'controversial' then Kanye couldn't be more fitting.
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>>61667546
Digital Witness isn't her most representative song though. Better check Marrow, Your Lips Are Red, or Cruel.
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annie broke up with cara.
waifufags hopes at a 10 years high

next, shell date lauren mayberry or sky ferreira or another meme qt for PR
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>>61665894
She'll be fine
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>>61666882
Why should there be one?
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>>61667314
Bowie knew what he was doing, Kanye is just a hothead
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Hello reddit
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>>61667751
Let's assume that there should be one (to reply to OP's question). Hypotetically.
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>>61667647
>Digital Witness isn't her most representative song though. Better check Marrow, Your Lips Are Red, or Cruel.
Listened to them all, don't really see the resemblance with Bowie.

And listening to Marrow and Cruel, I felt she was VERY inspired by other songs.
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>>61668006
Her music doesn't really sound like Bowie. I think the comparisons are more about the spirit of their music.
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>>61666882
kanye
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>>61666882
Perfume Genius
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Not memeing, but Kanye is the only answer.
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no, this guy is the legitimate successor to david bowie
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>>61667314
kanye or m.i.a. is closest in terms of fulfilling those categories desu

though they all shock people in different ways and the levels of acclaim and fame very
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>>61668175
yeah his arc from nigger to super nigger will be remembered for eternity
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fun fact:
i was on the same flight as her from barbados to nyc on january 2nd, 2016. when i was boarding the plane, i was only a few feet from her.
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ITT: People forgetting Bowie didnt have real mainstream appeal until Let's Dance, it is the album that made him really popular.
Nowadays everybody knows Kanye, he is a superstar, Bowie wasnt, ziggy stardust only peaked at 7 in US charts, he was of course well known in rock circles but not by everybody at least until Lets Dance.
People comparing him with Kanye makes no sense, they are using mainstrean acclaim as the fact that makes them similar but it is not true.
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NO.
(This is just a meme tho, i do think she is the successor)
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>>61665894
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>>61668330
in the UK he was super famous
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>>61668287
How was it?
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>>61668347
T b h it was quite sad seeing her going from a tweet wishing happy birthday to his ultimate idol two days ago to that NO. Tweet, i think this really hit her hard, plus she got a guitar signed by bowie recently and in 2015 she was in a conference talking about Bowie for more than an hour
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>>61667546
fuck, I can't remember what it is.

And I know that the day I'll hear this song, I will have completely forgotten about St Vincent. fucking frustrating.
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>>61668330
St. Vincent also doesn't have a real mainstream appeal so far, at this point in her career. It's a matter of time when she will make her own Let's Dance, but better.
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>>61667090
>Kanye made the same kind of hip hop for years

great bait desu
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Yeah, they are both overrated hacks
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>>61666362
>/mu/
>calling anyone a hipster

Thanks Anon, I needed this laugh.
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>>61668412
she didn't say anything. she was in this silver raincoat thing. surprisingly, she was in coach, but i was several rows in front of her. i also saw her at baggage claim and the taxi line. when i first saw her at the gate in barbados, i thought it was just a boy who looked a lot like her, so i asked my sister if that was her, and she confirmed it.
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>>61667314
>The closest to Bowie right now would literally be Kanye
mfw
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>>61668434
OK, maybe not the same, but kinda. Yeezus is his only real reinvention (for the worse).
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holy shit

absolutely not
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>>61668330
Agree. The kanye comparison doesn't make sense at all
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>>61667894
Then noone. Music industry is fucking dying, and modern "stars" are cheap second-rate idiots with no self-awareness who take themselves far too seriously, and get constantly fooled into thinking they are special by all kinds of nonsence like youtube views or major label deals.
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>>61668330
Well if you wanna go that route, Kanye made beats for semi-big artists since the mid-90s and didn't become popular until his rapping debut in like 2004
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>>61668416
This is so sad, i mean idk why i laughed at pic related but yeah this is really depressing.
I'm wishing for this eno colab to happen, they may bond after Bowie's death and shit
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Anyway, this whole discussion is pretty fucking stupide.

There won't be a next Bowie. In the sense that people who are trying to put out songs that sound original won't do what has already been done.

And that's alright.
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>>61667314
Bowie's shock appeal was only there in the early and mid 70's, but after that he was hardly 'shocking' in the conventional sense
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>>61668330
You have to consider the scope of popular music's appeal at the time: appreciation of music as a hobby has become more widespread in the 21st century. While that's only slightly relevant, as Kanye is definitely more more popular now relative to how popular Bowie was in his time, they've both handled their careers very similarly.

They're both able to adapt to a variety of different styles and genres with considerable success, they're famously controversial, they sometimes act as overarching "godfathers" of their respective genres, and they're both highly popular + acclaimed. The comparison is entirely valid, if a bit pointless, but calling Kanye a successor to Bowie is literally untrue
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florence welch
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>>61665894
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>>61668854
Young Thug literally has the potential to have a Bowie-esque career if he keeps getting more abstract (and better)
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>>61668906
In the grand scheme of things, this Thug is a nobody.
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>>61668330
Space Oddity was a #1 record in 1969
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>>61665894
YES
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she is so massively overrated on here. it seems like waifuism.
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>>61668973
He is being successfully hyped. Annie will have to have to have relations with him.
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>>61669005
Wrong
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>>61668175
this guy is
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>>61669152
the record not the album, dumdum

and if you looked at that page, you'd see he had top 5 albums in the US in 70s as well
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>>61669200
lel. same redundant jigaboo jams the apes have been making for 15 years, hip hop is dead, time to move on bud
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Shes such a fucking bitch. i saw het at a festival and because he sound didnt work she raged threw her guitar at the sound man and stormed off the stage.
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>>61669303
that's the reply of a genuinely scared marketing administrator
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>>61669308
Why are girls such babies?
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literally pitchfork: the artist. why is she even relevant on /mu/? waifu factor?
>>61669409
>Why are girls such babies?
most are not. she is just used to get everything - beautiful, successfull family, glamorous music education, milieu of mostly famous people (dated a top model, toured with surfjan stevens)
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>>61669033
>so massively overrated on here
lol. She's way more underrated on here compared to other places. Not counting that this board is probably the only one with almost daily hate threads about her (less often in the last month).
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>is annie successor to x superstar icon
>no one posts music

for shame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1LHX5chlH0
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we need a comparison

https://youtu.be/_-QxSh19nDI
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>>61669757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uTAk58YJXI
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Oh, that's the girl who's on David Byrne's album? Is her work worth smth?
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>>61666882
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>>61670420
Yes, she is. That album with Byrne is actually her weakest. Check her entire discography, starting with Actor.
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>mfw I'm a huge fAnnie
>never browse /mu/
>feel like a newfag
Seriously my entire Tumblr is dedicated to her but I feel out of place here this is horrible
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>>61671585
>I feel out of place here
good there's still time for you
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If I saw Annie IRL I would highfive for bagging Cara but probably if I highfived her entire arm would shatter like vanilla wafers because of her poor indie bones.
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>>61666882
K A N Y E
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>>61671585
/mu/ is an unpleasant place, with few exceptions. On rare occasions there are some meaningful and great discussions.
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>>61671647
Time for me for what? As autistic as this may seem I usually just browse /b/ but everyone here seems like a musical aristocracy, and I'm the young pleb watching from the sides.

In response to OP though, as much as I fucking love Annie I don't think there'll ever be another Bowie
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>>61671675
I bet Annie is more powerful than you. Could you lift your own body with your hands like she did on this concert?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6hfIOiPwwo#t=370
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it's a rough mock up but it's a possible fall 2016 flavour
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>>61671847
Is that the Annie Clark Klan?
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>>61671758
Leave. Now. This place (4chan) changes you and you are just going to hate everything. There is nothing to gain from this place. Go to the sticky, save everything, go to /lit/, /fit/ and /fa/ and do the same. And just leave and don't come back.
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>>61665894
I like her stuff a lot, but she would need to continue to improve and change for a while before I would start making comparisons to Bowie.
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>>61671774
What a try hard

LOOK AT ME

TAKE ME SERIOUSLY

IM A REAL ARTIST

SO WACKY

SO UNPREDICTABLE

whatever pretty good music and would bang so meh
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Why some people started comparing her with Bowie from the millions of other musicians?
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>>61668221
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>>61671774
my nigga

I would grab her and put her over my head and powerbomb that bitch to the 9th circle of hell. Fuck with me.
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No it's Marina. It'll be clear as crystal in a few years.
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>>61671923
When she's on stage, she quite unpredictible. She mentioned that on some interviews.
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>>61671882
I've been on /b/ for a while
I'm the best in all my classes but in the past week I got called a pseudointellect on /sci/ and that really fucked me up. Feel like I'm literally losing brain cells. Dad has alzheimers, scares me that I might get it too. I just thought I'd cheer myself up by finding some Annie fans on /mu/
Now realise I'm not unique, not special, not part of an 'indie' St Vincent gang
I'm not angy at others liking her too, I just feel shit currently, and always felt Annie is something special to me, but thanks anon
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>>61671978
bruh, I love Marina and her Diamonds, and she's getting better musically. But I don't think she's even close to Bowie in the 1970s.
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>>61672020
Then the best remedy for that is certainly not 4chan. Trust me, this place should only be touched when you are in a positive mood and feel like shitposting. Not when you are in a slump.
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>>61671967
You're funny, keyboard warrior. I bet you'd pee your pants if you'll see her looking at you irl. Loser.
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>>61672026
That's because she's still in her early phase. Next album will be her Ziggy Stardust.
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>>61672059
It's 23:36 GMT here yeah I'll get some rest now. Thank you.
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>>61667090
"I miss old kanye" is a common thing for people to say....so where are you right?
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>>61672020
Don't worry, there are many real St. Vincent fans here. But be aware of trolls.
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>>61668479
Still wrong.
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>>61665894
>Experimentalist with pop bona-fides
>Known for multiple successful career re-inventions
>Sexual liberalism a component of effusive charisma
>Dabbled in acting with tepid success
>Released challenging work in old age

Obviously pic related
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>>61672232
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>>61672259
why does this make so much sense

early in her career some studio executives prbly told her to act like bowie tbqh
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>>61672259
/thread
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>>61672259
GOT EEEM
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>>61668461
I like Manson but he hasn't been shocking since the nineties
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>>61671500
>Love This Giant is her weakest
Really? I'd say that's definitely one of my favorite albums, and the sound really put her on her way to her ST album.
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Why is she so CR-CRUEL, bros?
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>>61672463
I told what was the general consensus. I personally enjoy that album very much.
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>>61672574
Because you believe fake stories...
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>>61672574
Honestly, she could just be really bad at talking to fans. It's hard addressing someone who views you so positively that they bought your stuff.
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>>61668633
this is like pic related
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>>61674140
I smashed mine into my head ://
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>>61665894
never listened to her because of waifu-b.s. on /mu/. kinda want to try now, where should i start? anyone got a flowchart?
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>>61674297
Start with Actor.

>anyone got a flowchart?
I'm going to make one now.
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>>61674379
thanks man
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>>61665894

Probably the strongest bait I've seen on /mu/. Especially considering their music styles.

Bowie: Highly experimental and innovative musician who makes intricate masterpieces with enough accessible elements for everyone to enjoy.

St. Vincent: Makes simple repetitive songs then throws random "artistic" sounds over top so everyday people are alienated and hipsters can think they're special listening to her "quirky" music.
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>>61674566
fuck off beaner
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>>61668973
yeah because he hasnt even released his debut album yet
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>>61674733
b8 post.

>Makes simple repetitive songs then throws random "artistic" sounds over top
You clearly didn't listen to her albums. Maybe one or two songs at max.
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>>61666189
faggot
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>>61675577

Nah you're right she's definitely the next bowie, post me the song you think makes your case best. Or hell find me a song that isn't nothing more than quirky offbeat noise over a mediocre, generic pop song.

Bitch is a hack
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>>61667090
>Kanye made the same kind of hip hop for years
Kanye is exploring hip hop like Bowie explored rock
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>>61676131
Chill dude. You know shit about her music. Educate yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h114NAhiZcE
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jamie stewart
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>>61665894
>>61665904
>>61665918
>>61666088
Guys, nothing against St. Vincent, but the quality between the two is drastically different, sorry but its true. She's released 4 albums, at that point into his career Bowie had already released classic songs which are considered some of the greatest of all time, like Space Oddity, Life on Mars, Oh You Pretty Things, The Bewlay Brothers, and The Man Who Sold the World. Annie doesn't have a single song of that caliber. Going by amount of albums is being nice, let's take age into consideration. Annie is 33, by the time Bowie was 33 he had released Honky Dory, Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane, Low, "Heroes", and Lodger, all amazing albums that are often ranked among the greatest of all time. By that point into his career, Bowie was already cemented as a legend, having made a deep impact onto music history and changed entire genres. He had already created several characters and gone through many different stages of is career, he had already explored multiple genres. On the other hand, Annie has released 4 good indie rock albums, not even close to what Bowie had achieved by that age. And let's go back to amount of albums for a second, Bowie's fifth album was The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (arguably one of the 10 greates rock n' roll records of all time), do you think Annie's next record will be as good?
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>>61674297
just go chronological
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>>61674297
>>61674566
Here's the St. Vincent flowchart I did.
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>>61676946
thanks for the chart, anon
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yes of course.
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>>61677106
You're welcome.
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>>61676946
thanks mane
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Annie Clark is not nearly as good as Bowie, but few artists ever are.
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Strange Mercy is an amazing album, St. Vincent (album) is mediocre, most of the best tracks were on the deluxe. Excited for what she has in store in the future, any news on an upcoming album?
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