>guy who looked like male model
>"he really represented le oddballs and misfits! XD"
Am I the only person who doesn't like David Bowie?
His music was not good and he issued in an era of image trumping music.
David Bowie turned marketing into the essence of his art.
All great phenomena of popular music, from Elvis Presley to the Beatles, had been, first and foremost, marketing phenomena (just like Coca Cola and Barbie before them); however, Bowie turned that into an art of its own. With Bowie the science of marketing becomes art; art and marketing become one.
Bowie was a protagonist of his times, although a poor musician: to say that Bowie is a musician is like saying that Nero was a harp player (a fact that is technically true, but misleading).
Bowie embodies the quintessence of artificial art, raises futulity to paradigm, focuses on the phenomenon rather than the content, makes irrelevant the relevant, and, thus, is the epitome of everything that went wrong with rock music.
There's a reason a bunch of pleb girls on your Facebook are mourning right now
He made pleb music for plebs
Also, if he was some ugly short guy (with the same exact music) he'd have half the fanbase.
i don't understand why people consider him the logical conclusion to music or whatever
he wasn't even innovative, all he did was rip off other shit that was going on around him and water it down for a mainstream audience
You have no idea bro. Being an attractive, kissless virgin outcast is far more common then you think. Being handsome doesn't hide being a sperg. In some ways it's more cruel, a so close yet so far away type of deal, and nobody assumes your pain when they look at you. They think you're like them until you open your mouth. Bowie was just dedicated and talented, he knew how to play with people's heads, that's why he made it.
He's one of those pop artists who most people like because they were told to like him. His songwriting is often good but rarely great - won't stand the test of time. I'm not a big fan.
At least he did different things, even if the different things were already trendy. It's sad that he passed.
>I don't like David Bowie's music because normalfags ree
Also kill yourself
I absolutely see what you're saying
It's like saying Jim Morrison was a great singer/lyricst. He wasn't, but he might have been the world best stage actor, giving everything, even his life, for a superb performance, becoming a shaman to the audience, enchanting them, capturing them, hypnotizing them with his movements.
>In some ways it's more cruel, a so close yet so far away type of deal, and nobody assumes your pain when they look at you.
I know that feel.
>tfw people can't believe I've not had a relationship.
Bowie is very 4chan.
He did a shitload of drugs, a shitload of women and men, and changed his musical style and aesthetics to keep on innovating giving no fucks about what people think.
Paul McCartney on the other hand is very Reddit.
He also created his own internet (Bowienet) and basically invented mortgage backed securities- he was sold future earnings from his records to fans/investors well before banks were selling mortgages based on future earnings, and it is speculated he may have given them the idea.
i'm in a weird position where i was thoroughly unattractive for most of my life (overweight, greasy long hair, unkempt neck beard), but within the past few years made an effort to lose weight and improve my appearance. i've been called quite attractive on a number of occasions since then, but years of being an outcast has left me with no other conception of how to go about my life.
Let love into your hearts.
Bowie was great partially because of circumstance, sure-- he was an affluent man in England during rock's heyday w good looks
What separated him from the billions of people with the same level of opportunity was his overwhelming love for everything
The dude was always wearing dresses and looking androgynous. I'm surprised he made it as far as he did in the culture of america. America has always been a disgusting closed minded wasteland.
Nah you're not alone.
I don't hate him but I don't find anything special in his music, most his overrated generic pop
His worst period was when he thought he was an african american
I know that feeling, except it wasn't anything with weight, I was just mentally always maybe 2 years behind in high school, which made me an outcast. Puberty was kind to me, so with a normal personality, I could get laid no problem but as it is, I'm still a virgin.
The thing that makes Bowie so great, is that, while what you're saying is a very interesting angle on Bowie, if you compare him to all the /other/ dubious "musicians" whose image they placed far ahead of their musicianship, in their company he starts to look like a very serious and capable musician.
So you've gotta respect him as a "musician" for at least that much.
Ah, cool. Well, it's still nice to be having a dialog with an epheremal reproduction of Scaruffi. I don't come here often, but don't let anyone say I underestimate 4chan's intelligence.
Scaruffi turned shitty music taste into the essence of his reviewing.
All great phenomena of music critique, from Pitchfork to Robert Chrisgau, had been, first and foremost, pleb phenomena (just like Coca Cola and Barbie before them); however, Scaruffi turned that into an art of its own. With Scaruffi the science of shit taste becomes art; art and shit fucking taste become one.
Scaruffi was a plebeian of his times, and definitely a poor music critic: to say that Scariffu is a man worth the paper he writes his hot opinions down on, is like saying that Rolling Stone is a site for music journalism (a fact that is technically true, but misleading).
Scaruffi embodies the quintessence of people with unwarranted self-importance, raises futility to actually bothering with reviewers at all, focuses on the phenomenon rather than the content, makes irrelevant the relevant, and, thus, is the epitome of everything that went wrong with music critics.
>never really cared for Bowie's style or stage presence
>always only liked him for superb songwriting
Have people who saying he wasn't a good songwriter just not listened to enough of his music?
I know there's a lot of people like you today who are salivating at this opportunity to whip out your sardonic and edgy™ criti/witti-cisms that you replicated off of your favorite Sam Hyde video (yes, that one open on your second tab) in hopes of getting a reaction to fuel your internet ego points, but I won't let you have that satisfaction today. I just won't, anon. I'm sure you understand.
If you don't like his glam rock, just listen to the Berlin Trilogy. Much more experimental, with influences of Kraut and Ambient
Sam Hyde makes me laugh but his fanbase is literally cancerous and politically ignorant, and that includes Fantano. They're all captive to the mentality that if you don't agree with Sam or at least engage in the same type of edgy "fuck your opinion" discourse then you're a pussy white liberal SJW Marxist faggot. The irony is saddening.
please, for once in your life, be honest with yourself
have you ever actually listened to those pieces:
if you have, please explain how it is "generic pop"
>The Anti-Bowie Circlejerk has blossomed into full swing
Fuck this shitty board
Not that guy but I'm pretty sure these anti-Bowie posters are just contrarians. If you don't like his music, fine. You can't deny that the man has had a tremendous impact on popular music and pop culture in its entirety. There's literally no reason to shit-talk Bowie on the day of his death on a music board unless you're starving for attention.
These people continuing lying to themselves in a futile attempt to impress. It really boils down to impressing others, even if it is on an anonymous imageboard. Soon you realize that these self-proclaimed intellectuals truly have no taste. They cling on to the fringest of the fringe in hopes of distancing themselves from the popular centrifuge of art to portray themselves as patricians™ to others. They never like the music they listen to, because it is only listened for the credibility of looking cultured to others. They are contrarians for the sake of being a contrarian.
Gamma Negative males who will never surpass their locked cages of plebitude. I end up feeling sorry for them because they never truly enjoy what they want to. They deny themselves pleasure in different crafts and art mediums because they need to maintain their title of taste within the social circle. They are nothing more but victims to their arrogance.
>Increasingly Bowie was convinced there were witches after his semen. They were intent on using it to make a child to sacrifice to the devil, essentially the plot to Roman Polanski's 1968 supernatural classic Rosemary's Baby."
>Rumor has it that Bowie kept his hair and fingernail clippings in the fridge of Michael Lippman’s home where he was living then, so they could not fall into the hands of those he thought wished to put spells on him.
he was an /x/-tier misfit
>If you don't like his music, fine. You can't deny that the man has had a tremendous impact on popular music and pop culture in its entirety.
yes he ruined it hes the epitome of over the counter conter culture. he represents everything that brands like urban outfitters do. pretend to represent the underground anti-commercial anti capitalist systems. all the whiole selling the image of anticorporatism for corporate profit.
I actually agree with this. He just had a weird style but he was ultimately really handsome and if anything just unconventionally attractive, which a lot of celebrities seem to be.
I much prefer Klaus Nomi who was definitely inspired by Bowie but was not as loved due to his whole avant garde thing and also being pretty fuggin ugly
>over the counter conter culture
OBIE DI CONTIE CONTI COO?
AH DOOPIE DOOPIE DOOPIE DOO?
Have I used enough special words yet?
Bowie never claimed to be anti-cap or to represent anti-commercialism. He was one of the world's biggest pop-stars. He wasn't political (besides that one phase where he was vaguely fascist) and that's why he had such universal appeal. He wasn't about delivering some social message; his lyrics were mostly just brilliant nonsense about space travel and fantastical things. That was why he was so great. It was all about the artistry, and that artistry spread out from the music into every available area. tl;dr yer talking shite mate
Some people are inherently pretentious. Pretending to be something they are not is the very core of their being. To suppress that urge to always put on a show for others would be another act of pretension for them since they wouldn't be doing it for themselves.
I didn't like David Bowie's music until I heard Seu Jorge's acoustic versions from The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou. That soundtrack made me realize how creative the tone structure is, without Bowie's crooning getting on my nerves.
It's okay, you don't have to be a fan of David Bowie. However, though, you can not argue against his impact on alternative-ish pop music today. I hate the Beatles, but they still nonetheless had a huge impact on popular music.
True. Even the word pretentious has double-meanings, depending on whether the deception is benign, as in theater, or malign, as in con-artistry. The mask of irony is also fraught with implications of pretense, especially of pretending to moods and conditions opposite to what one feels, or is. Generally speaking, however, the negative connotations of the word have increased since its invention. A friend of mine once lampooned me with a character named Emperor Tim, whose motto was pretension = style. I took it as a compliment, of course.
Look how ugly David Bowie was. Le true typical ugly outcast of society!
>and this is a mugshot for fucks sake, half of you fucks couldn't look close to this good even with photoshop and perfect lighting
>That feel when you will never be a fashion icon throughout the decades.
a lot of his comedy seems to fly over people's heads most of the time desu. most of it is completely steeped in irony and absurdism, and the ironic absurdism / absurd irony contained therein. it does get a bit boring and tiring after a while though.
It absolutely fucking is, people here take music as a status indicator instead of as an art. Many users pretend to enjoy artists and albums they really don't, or exaggerate how much they like them to impress other users. They don't want to be plebs, they can't listen to popular music, which results in a competition to see who can fill their chart up with the most obscure shit. Bowie will start getting shit on because anons are seeing "normies" making posts about him on facebook, so they're afraid they'll become plebs for liking him noe. I browse this board because i've learned about many cool albums here, but god im fucking tired of the hipsters. Just listen to the music you like, the music that sounds nice to your ears and makes you feel good.
He has an interesting face that makes him probably a good model. He's quite an ugly man though, rat teeth, kinda goofy looking. Unquestionably sexy though. I'd take that boy pussy down any day.
If you don't see why he was an oddball I don't know what to say to you.
You don't like him? Um, okay. I don't like beetroot that much. Why does you not liking him cause you torment?