I was at a Weezer show several years ago. I managed to score some backstage passes. The rest of the guys were super cool about meeting some fans and having a couple drinks, but Rivers didn't come back to meet fans or talk with the other band members. I didn't think much of it until I heard about a good number of other fans who experienced the same thing.
>>61636448 >>61636489 I met Rivers once. I felt weird being taller than my hero. He was pretty shy, almost autistic in nature, which was probably what caused him to feel like a misfit and write Weezer's first two albums in the first place.
I think what OP meant was that Weezer died in 2005 and Rivers hasn't quit music because he thinks he still has something to write about. For example, on the last few albums there are songs about women and partys but he has been happily married with a kid for a while now, thus making him some kind of fake.
>>61635550 Maynard james keen Bono Gene and paul (seriously fuck them, they both suck at their instruments, even though they've played for like 50 years. That's inexcusable man.) Hell, most big classic rockstars
>>61635588 probably bait cause i cant fathom who would really believe this but if not there is literally not even enough ego in the world to match the unbridled talent that is frank zappa. he was a bit full of himself but i wouldnt go so far as to say his ego outweighed his ridiculous amount of talent. not the same thing as just not liking him personally.
>>61638122 Who cares if it's fake, honestly? What kind of person listens to a song and thinks "Oh, I must find out about the life of the person who wrote it to determine what it makes me feel inside when I hear it"? It's a pretty boring world you want lyrics-wise if musicians are only allowed to write about their personal life.
>>61638692 Besides being fake, comparing Weezer in 1994 to Cant Stop Partying ft. Lil Wayne should be pretty self explanatory as to why Weezer sold out. Then go check out their State Farm song on youtube, Everybody Get Dangerous featured in a Disney Ninja-Hamster movie, and when they covered Lady Gaga. Rivers said in a 90's interview that he didn't want any of his music used for corporate crap, his example was McDonalds at the time. Rivers even apologizes for being such a cunt in Back to the Shack.
>What kind of person listens to a song and thinks "Oh, I must find out about the life of the person who wrote it to determine what it makes me feel inside when I hear it"?
If you actually believe this, I feel sorry for you. It's not like I don't appropriate a catchy beat no matter who sings it or what it's about, but the empathy you feel when someone is singing about the same struggle you're going through is one of the most powerful feelings ever. There are thousands of music biographies, do you even think before you speak?
>>61638956 >Sold out Yeah, okay, I'm done here. Have fun repeating marketing slogans and pre-made thoughts that tell you how independent and resistant to marketing you are. I'm just going to listen to music which, y'know, I find good music -which is not Weezer, by the way, they're universally shit- and not worry about what their manager told them to tell me to think about them in mass media interviews made to sell me a product handled my multinational corporations.
>>61639686 We are talking talent here, not their musical output in the current day. Sure they're old and whiny these days but they both put out incredible albums. Siamese Dream is literally one of the greatest albums of all time. It's a mad genius masterpiece. Rust in Peace is arguably the best metal album ever.
>>61639980 Nope, it just makes some music more enjoyable. Probably stemmed from my inspiration as a musician.. When the singer feels what he sings about, it's what makes them popular, not how catchy they are. Look at Charles Bradley or even Adele for instance.
>>61640324 It's pretty presumptuous of you to assume that you can tell when people feel things. Humans are pretty good at lying, as a general rule, particularly entertainers. It's kind of their job. Like, Cuomo, he's obviously being very earnest about his shitty music, guy was into metal and quiet riot. He likes the dumb party music he makes, he's honest, but it's still shit.
>>61640380 Artists don't just sit down and write a song like Pink Triangle or Say It Ain't So because they want to entertain. Many of the greatest hits of all time across the board are popular because of genuine feeling people hear, not because some jackass in the music industry is programming a catchy beat and manipulating lyrics with knowledge he learned in college. >It's pretty presumptuous of you to assume that you can tell when people feel things Who the fuck doesn't feel something when you watch an artist cry in concert because he feels it so much? That's exactly what makes Charles Bradley so popular... You think I don't understand when I hear the shrill in someones voice or see them scream about an abusive relationship with their step father? Fuck you dude.
>>61640580 Not him but I can respect artists who attempt to communicate emotions when I don't like them personally. GSYBE is boring as fuck but i don't doubt they try, and that other teenagers are "moved" by it.
If you haven't realized all art is rooted in emotion somehow, then you should give up listening right now
>>61640669 That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying he's a bit of a hypocrite to believe he wields the power to see who is and who isn't telling the truth at all times. Dunning-Krueger and whatnot. As if these people don't have manager teams and marketing guys behind them crafting an image so that everything *looks* authentic.
>>61640691 I agree, but some simple research on the art should explain it. Since that anon was tlakign about Pinkerton, it's quite obvious Rivers was being genuine based on how the album even came to be, and how he distanced himself from it after the album bombed.
>>61639980 >>61639021 >>61639148 Not that overly pretentious guy but he does have a point, I cant really pinpoint it myself but theres something about authenticity. Pinkerton/ Blue Album are very inspired releases with some incredibly hard hitting lyrics and general emotion that just wouldn't be there if Rivers hadn't experienced what he sang about. You'll find that these newer songs about partying and girls aren't as good because they lack the genuine feelings behind them.
>>61640696 But that's the matter, innit? Which is is more honest to me. Honesty ain't a thing that's up for debate, yet I can't know. People can fake crying, fucking hell, people can fake everything. So I can only go for what I "feel" but what I feel is not necessarily what's real, and I wouldn't dream of presenting it as fact.
>>61640887 I don't think you understand how it works.
Even these created pop stars who have songs written for them, they attempt to make some sort of emotional connection to the song (even though they didn't write it themselves). That's how they get a good performance out if it: they themselves are truly believing or connecting to what they are singing. Their target demographic interprets this performance as authenticity--and it kind of is, since the performer tapped into their own emotional attachment to the song in order to get a good performance. .
>>61640981 So again "It's good, and it makes me feel, thefore I am honest. I am impervious to being fooled. I could never be charmed by a liar". Those are some really pretty lies to tell yourself, but if you stop thinking with your heart and just think you'd realise that isn't true. You're not a liar detector, and your emotions are not invulnerable to deceit. No one's are. Just because someone makes YOU feel well with their work doesn't mean they give a damn. "For me it was tuesday"
>>61641134 Except the sun doesn't make it a routine to hide all the time. There's not an entire industry out of disguising the sun as the moon. Day and night come and go on a timer. If yo looked outside during and eclipse you wouldn't be able to tell what time of day it is just by looking at the lighting, you'd have to look directly at the sun and CONFIRM IT'S OUT THERE. Just like you can't tell someone is feeling something because "yeah, sounds about right". And unlike eclipses, people pretending happens all the time. But you can just tell, you are magically able to look at the light outside and tell if it's an eclipse, or if the sun is setting, or if it's dawn without confirming it from the source.
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