>streaming music is stealing Does /mu/ agree?

>>61627311
stealing isn't wrong because nothing belongs to any one

>music can be stolen

>>61627311
>offers entire catalog for streaming (often at no charge) on multiple services
>d-don't strem my music guys. it's stealing.

you can make the same argument that the microphones stole their music from an earlier band

fucking snobs lol
>love one another
>except if you stream my music you dirty thief

His next tweet

"I am writing this of my own free will"

"I am not being held at gunpoint by a music industry goon"

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>>61627311
People would just go back to pirating, which gives the artist absolutely no money, if streaming were to go away. At least streaming gives artists something, even if we're talking fractions of a penny.

Anyway, if he hates streaming so much, why doesn't he take is music off? Last I checked, The Microphones were on Spotify.

hes means that you should download music instead and that streaming is for plevs

>>61627413
he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about senpai

>>61627413
and bandcamp and google play music

>>61627311
has no one ITT even seen phil's twitter account before? everything he says is a pisstake

>>61627423
No hes saying that streaming music is stealing which is literally under no interpretation true because you have to pay to stream music.

The beautiful irony behind it is that all of his music is available on Spotify.

anyone remember the KISS guy saying pirates should be RAPED in PRISON for downloading his music?
And recently his house got raided for CP.

>>61627446
no i just talked to him trust me

>>61627321
>justifying stealing
kek
With that said, if you think streaming music is stealing, you're fucking retarded.

>Don't enjoy music, give me money instead, I need to buy that thing for my wife and she's giving me shit about my career choice and I really can't afford a divorce right now so you internet faggots better start buying music.

>>61627455
>And recently his house got raided for CP.

no one in his family was a suspect and it happened when they weren't even home

but still, fuck gene simmons

>>61627413
This is the correct answer. Studies have show that the vast amount of streams hasn't cut into album sales but rather drastically reduced the amount of musical piracy. The small decrease in sales is offset by the small revenue generated by streaming services, so the net result to the industry is nothing

>>61627460
how brainwashed do you have to be to actually think piracy is stealing

he's right
spotify is shit. slsk+youtube all you need family

>>61627480
>no one in his family was a suspect
he's a pedo m8.
because he's rich they just pretending none of it happened.

>>61627413
Piracy doesn't hurt the industry. Most music services take a huge revenue off the artist's pay. Add the label's revenue to that and you can see why companies are so eager to battle piracy.
The solution? Stream to explore and buy the stuff you like if you can find it. Bandcamp's great at providing a service that doesn't fuck artists, fans, or even labels over.

>>61627311
I do also think that streaming is wrong. For that reason I only obtain my shit on what.cd and Soulseek.

>>61627413

Who has five big houses, anyone that has complained about music being stolen? Really?

>>61627555
honestly why do you care

are you the /mu/ moral police

>>61627460
nothing wrong with stealing fag

>>61627555
most of them yeah..
lol

The music industry has changed. Get out of the the past.

Musicians make a lot of their money by touring. If you bitch about not making money in streaming and people buying your album, then nigga you better plan a good and enjoyable live show.

>>61627365
>d-don't

please stop this

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>all these scrubs taking based Phil this seriously

>>61627311
goodluck to anyone depending on radio-plays as the only free way for people to hear your music. how can you get mad at people who are choosing to actually look your music up.

>>61627555
Look at David Byrne, Thom Yorke, and the rest of those 'yelling at clouds' musicians who really have no room to talk because they're set for life.

>>61627437
>>61627707
>he's only pretending to be a retard guys i promise!

should i interrupt the entitled babby circlejerk of worldviews bent to satisfy their immediate wants and justify their current behaviour?

lol. nah. carry on.

>>61627797
ur dumb
>>61627804
ur dumb

technology is coming for taxi drivers and manual laborers jobs' next. musicians need to grow up

>>61627311
If he doesn't want his music streamed, he can demand it to be taken off streaming platforms, simple.

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>>61627797
>shifting into maximum damage control

>>61627820
Can you shut the fuck up? You are the worst trip on this entire site and i cant filter you from my phone. Stop shitposting my thread and jump off a bridge already

>>61627838
no

>>61627828
that would depend if he owns the publishing rights to said music.

Is buying used as bad as pirating or streaming?

>>61627864
neither pirating nor streaming is bad

>>61627854
show your penor

>>61627864
You could probably argue that when you pirate, you're helping a bad community thrive. Which in turn allows for more and more stuff to be pirated.

This is very confusing, the only album that he has tracks unavailable for streaming is his very last, is Phil an autist or is he unaware of what he's referring to?

>>61627864
In terms of directly supporting the musicians it is, but if you're buying used from a record store you help keep the record store open, which keeps that infrastructure alive. If it weren't for the used market I don't think any old record stores would have stuck it out long enough for there to be a vinyl revival

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Not to guilt trip anyone, but streaming is bullshit. If one likes an artists music enough they should take time to invest in the artists they like even at a minimum. Bandcamp gives you a chance to download music for free depending on the artist. Get the song for free but try to get $¥€£ to the artist later down the line.

On the otherhand if you own an album on: record, taoe, cd, 8trk, fucken reel to reel getting free digital copies of that album shouldnt be frowned upon

>>61628002
I agree. It's funny though, some of the artists I most wish to give my money to are the ones who only put it up for free, albums no longer in print or they disappeared. I wish they would upload their stuff on bandcamp and see if they can get any money to maybe be able to afford selling physical copies or to be able to record again.

>>61627337
>soundwaves can be stolen

>>61627918
>more and more stuff to be pirated.
whats wrong with that?

>>61628002
thats anice meems you got man upvoted

>>61627854
lol are you my ex girlfriend who only listened to andrew bird?

>>61628835
no

>>61627311
WELP

Since stealing is wrong, I guess I'll delete all my pirated music and buy every album I can afford (like 9 albums tops) and never ever discover good music again! Thanks Phil!

>>61627523
>bandcamp doesnt fuck with artists
they are retroactively taking fee's away from artists now, meaning that if you dont sell that much music you are actually indebted to bandcamp and small monies you make goes straight to them now

tl;dr bandcamp is as bad as anything else

>>61628959
idk about this.. bandcamp is providing a service to you/your band by giving you a platform to showcase your music on which has lots of useful features for sharing music.

>>61627311
Who's this asshat and why do you all care

>>61628835
nah, he's a tranny.

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>>61629090
>who is phil elverum

>>61628959
hate to link to reddit, but
https://www.reddit.com/r/WeAreTheMusicMakers/comments/3f8dd0/what_is_happening_with_bandcamps_revenue_share/

It seems like they're getting paid the same revenue as before, and it's just the method that's changed, but correct me if I'm wrong.

We are past the point of music having any economic value

streaming music is shit. Just pirate or buy physically

>>61629225
>>61629060
All I know is that the last time I got paid a $1 for a song on my bandcamp they deducted all kinds of revenue share fees and my total ended up being 0. A band I know posted a screen shot with the same scenario, so it is not just me.

Sure we blacklist Phil and Mount Eerie fans from ,/mu/?

My favorite artists usually release their shit for free, makes me think more of them so I go out of my way to see them when they come to town.

Being anti-piracy is actually pretty racist.

People who can't afford to buy music should just not ever listen to music? Wow, okay. Secondly, most people (at least in the US) who make much less and live in lower income areas are mostly POCs. Simply put, when you're against a lower social class, whether you mean to or not, you are actually being very racist by denying these people a good or service.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

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>>61629646
>Being anti-piracy is racist

Is this what majoring in the social sciences amounts to?

>>61629646
>what is the radio

>>61627489
He didn't say anything about piracy

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>>61629672
Fuck you STEMlord

>>61629684
What if I don't like what people are broadcasting on the radio? What if I don't like top 40 or the quirky indie shit they play on college radio or NPR? Am I fucked then? Say I wanted to listen to this album from Japan (I actually haven't even listened to this yet). This will never be played in the US. If I want to abide by this (racist) anti-piracy code, I can't watch it on YouTube or stream it. So then I just can't listen to it, right? Thanks Phil for putting people of color down because of your white man feelings.

What's Phil Elverum's email

We need to start barraging this fool with our pro-privacy message NON-STOP.

We need to let this old man know that anti-privacy is a thing of the past and needs to stay there.

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>>61629646
>>61629784
Please stop.

I'm dead serious

Someone tell me what's his email right now

>>61629646
Go back to your liberal arts class faggot

This thread has gone to shit and people might dox Phil. Mods please nuke this thread.

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>>61629646
>>61629784
What the fuck am I reading.

>>61628959
>>61629225
>>61629519
Bandcamp artist here, what they do is take X percentage from your profit every time you make a sale, and add it to a tally. You get the full sale from each time your music is bought until the tally reaches a certain amount (usually a couple of dollars), then next time someone buys your music all of the money goes to BC and that amount is subtracted from the tally.

It's pretty stupid but it's just a more complicated way of saying "we get an X% cut". Bandcamp is very much a good-guy company and as far as I know they try to explain it clearly on their site.

Is there anyway we can kick Phil out of the indie scene for good?

Being pro-privacy is such a statist thing to do

>>61627694
w-why?

>>61630038
>as far as I know they try to explain it clearly on their site.
Not really. Haven't seen anything on their site about this change. https://bandcamp.com/fair_trade_music_policy

I've gathered they're not fucking over the artists and that's all I really care about. Thanks.

>>61629646
>>61629784
You're so fucking dumb, seriously.

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>>61629646
>>61629784
Isn't it racist to imply that poor = POC?

I'm a white dude who grew up in the ghetto. Fuck you, honestly.

>>61627311
nope.
expecially if it changes something even if its small.
>tfw there will never be a hip to be square eurobeat.
why live

Stop buying pro-privacy musicians' music
Don't buy any merch from pro-privacy musicians
Don't go to any shows of pro-privacy musicians
Spread warnings to everyone who supports pro-privacy musicians

This might be the start of #musicgate for us, /mu/

>>61630247
I think it's ignorant and naive to imply that most people in underserved communities are not people of color.

>>61630479
>Black people are poor

Isn't this a stereotype, my guy?

Being against a class is not racism. It is against a class. There is no such thing as "accidental racism."

What kind of job did you get with that social science degree? :^)

>>61630568
No, statistically true and no one is ignoring the fact that white people put them there. It's not a blame game. Just stating a fact

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>>61627495
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he had his last album up for streaming from npr tho

>>61630786
>white people put them there
dude what the fuck are you saying

>>61630786
Though it varies, this is the stat I got:
>30 percent Hispanic
>22 percent African American
>6 percent non-white

Meaning 42 percent (much more than any POC) are white. Though most poor people are POCs, the largest racial group of poor people are white.

Sorry.

source: http://www.urban.org/research/publication/racial-and-ethnic-disparities-among-low-income-families

>write 50 minutes of material every few years
>set for life
>record companies offer your music that they paid millions for rights to on streaming services after determining that they'll ultimately recuperate more money that way
>'no no they don't pay me directly give me even more money you thieves! How dare you enjoy my music!'

>>61630111
Maybe you should actually read his twitter. He's taking the piss you fucking idiot

scroll through his twitter, he has never made a serious tween in it's existence
https://twitter.com/PWElverum/status/563926284258910208

Listening to music is stealing because you get stolen ideas if the music makes you think.

>>61629646
As a white male shitlord, I can't wait to use this argument ironically in real life.

mayb but i dont think "stealing" digital music files is wrong so it doesnt matter anyway

>>61627337
>goes to a record shop
>slips record under jacket
>walks out front door
>tackled by cashier
>arrested by police
>"b-b-but you can't steal music!!!"

>>61631669
we are talking about digital music, nerd

>>61631678
digital media has copyrights, kiddo

streaming music from places like youtube is theft. learn the law

>>61627311
Pretty sure everything Phil says online is a joke.

>>61631699
copyright isn't real

>>61629784
Please continue. The responses are pure gold

>>61628313
>zeroes and ones can be stolen

>>61632086
this.

I'm not a thief. I'm an archivist doing my part for humanity.

:^)

>>61629646

Kek.