>I dont listen to classical
Why do you pass up 500 years of musical geniuses? Is it because you prefer music written by untrained plebs, for untrained plebs?
While I like classical music I have to say that you don't get the fedora meme. I'll help you to understand it since you're obviously new to the whole internet thing.
> I only listen to classical music
> *tips fedora*
On principal I disagree but according to internet law that'd be the correct usage :^)
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> varied genre > vague musical description
Best you quit now.
>only intellectual gentlemen such as myself listen to classical music
>try to listen to classical
>it's boring and all sounds the same
>quit and listen to pleb music
For all intents and purposes it's unlistenable.
Far too complicated for the modern audience structure based around motivic development and harmony (not blop blop chords) and long forgotten maniers/cliches whose meaning in adding them or not is lost.
Everyone today can notice something peculiar about a rock song when the drums, say, disappear, but nobody will bat an eyelid if extended modulation or elaborate cadance is done in a classical piece - he won't hear it, nor will know what he's hearing.
Only hipsters like it because >Enlightened Badge, but unless they are old farts they'll move onto other meme styles.
>leaving out Des Prez, Ockeghem, Obrecht, Perotin, Fayrax, Dufay, and Machaut
I recommend Mahler's symphonies for anyone desperately wanting to listen to classical music. I only base this on my personal experience. I really got into classical music when I heard Mahler's first symphony. After that I suggest Mahler's second symphony or fourth.
Easy way to enter the world of classical music is short piano sonatas for example Mozart's Sonata in C major (K545). And a great symphony to start with is Beethoven's fourth symphony followed by his fifth. They are relatively short ones unlike Mahler's symphonies which are often long and heavy.
I'm no expert in classical music but these are just some friendly tips and recommendations I wanted to share
I'd suggest to avoid long pieces. Stick to short, 2-3 minute ones with clear melody as they resemble pop music more. ie [melody 1] [melody 2] [melody1] [ending]. This is easily enjoyable while say a symphony with it's extreme developments, variations and things happening essentially turns into ambient music.
it's the same shit on /tv/ underneath all the super hero trash
who's to say it doesn't actually work tho
I train little by little
>open up classical thread
>see classical recs for tchaikovsky, Wagner, Copland, and Bach
>mfw none of them are classical
I'll just listen to mucore in peace
came here looking for a /mu/ approved classical list kinda like how /lit/ has theirs. i'm getting the feeling such a thing doesn't exist.
plz no bully.
jazz is for hipsters like yourself.
using extended chords with as many added notes as you want doesn't make it more "intriguing" as typical jazz harmony came from classical anyway.
and rhythmically? please kill yourself you uneducated loser
>General folder. Renaissance up to 20th century/modern classical
>General folder #2. Mostly Romantic up to 20th century/modern, but also includes Bach and Mozart subfolders
>General folder #3. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieces
>Debussy Folder: Recordings of Debussy's most important/famous works
>Opera folder: Construction in progress. Features recorded productions of various operas
because I don't enjoy it like you do
I don't understand what people are talking about when they're like "Goulds insight is superhuman, he channels the angels directly"
im probably just of low intelligence so I don't appreciate all the intricate musical structures.
maybe when I'm older idk, baka
Still uses jazz harmonies and modulations, I didn't throw in the "big" chords cuz I didn't think you'd understand. First four chords Emadd2/b, emno5/a' g6no3 and c#dim/g. Lol stop lying to us you're not actually trained are you, first you say the chords are unnecessarily big then you say it's a pop version of funk rock
Here is a classically trained violinist (Tim Charles) playing technical-progressive-black-death metal. Now I'm not going to say these guys (Ne Obliviscaris) are "more intelligent" than those classical composers, but they have a damn fine understanding of everything you find in classical music along with a fuck load more that Bach, Mozart or Beethoven had never heard of because it wasn't around. The skill of Cygnus on bass, Dan Presland on drums and Ben Baret on lead guitar is as high as a concert violinist - they trained and they practice. A lot.
Also see how much movement and action there is. Unlike classical concerts where you get thrown out for farting, the crowd will be moshing and dancing or just swaying to the performance and there will be a handful of air-drummers trying to keep up with Dan (and failing).
Just find music you like. 'Classical' music world is far huge to always discover new works/composers. Once you start to liking some specific work, you gonna hear the differences on different recordings. Every performer should have their own signature.
Downtuning an instrument makes enormous differences to what you can compose and what musicians can play. I don't think Mozart used minor pentatonic b5, Phrygian dominant, Byzantine and Hungarian minor scales. Also there are no universal laws of harmony.
Mozart doesn't make melodies flow from violin to viola to cello - they have different roles. They play counterpoint or harmonies. Which of those scales I listed did he use? None. He was not averse to playing with tuning but he still composed from a narrow convention in comparison to what exists today.
You're first statement is a complete generalization about Mozart thats often just untrue.
And no, when Mozart was alive nobody was using those scales in Europe, so why would he? Is this supposed to be a knock against classical or just Mozart?
I don't really get what you're going for here.
Mozart isn't a Beethoven or Wagner who broke all the rules all the time, nobodies alluding to that.
The whole point I have been making about detuning is what you just said. He's not the first person to know the range and tuning of the instruments he writes for - everyone does. My point was simply that he did not have the capacity to write for the range of tuning you can with a guitar. That's not a value judgement, it was a simple statement of fact. If the only instrument that existed was a one-string violin he would have been restricted by that. If he had guitar and synth he would have been able to exploit their range too. I didn't say he didn't have the skill, I said he didn't have the tools. He used what he had.
The compositional frameworks Mozart used and created are well studied and it's not difficult for someone who has studied musical composition to create works that sound much like Mozart's, just as there are artists who can create perfect forgeries. The point is, why would you write something that sounds like his existing works? What's happened over time is that those and many other musical theories are still applied plus there are other tools available that were not available at the time. Music has branched out into myriad styles and the fact that people writing that music don't write classical music does not make them dumb.
I still think most progressive music has always been classical, up to today.
You can argue that if you want, I just think if you're aware of what classical has done from Wagner to Debussy to Stravinsky to Schoenberg to etc etc etc its pretty clear. lots of other types of music have stemmed off of folk and classical and stagnated as popular music but classical has always moved forward.
Just my opinion though.
Here is a classically trained violinist (Emilie Autumn) playing Victoriandustrial. Now I'm not going to say these guys (The Bloody Crumpets) are "more intelligent" than those classical composers, but they have a damn fine understanding of everything you find in classical music along with a fuck load more that Bach, Mozart or Beethoven had never heard of because it wasn't around. The skill of The Blessed Contessas on aerial silk acrobatics, Captain Maggot as the stage drunk and Veronica Varlow as nymphomaniac is as high as a concert violinist - they trained and they practice. A lot.
Also see how much movement and action there is. Unlike classical concerts where you get thrown out for farting, the crowd will be moshing and dancing or just swaying to the performance and there will be a handful of ballet dancera trying to keep up with Lady Aprella (and failing).
I don't listen to recordings of most classical music, as it is supposed to be heard in a big room played by a big orchestra and no soundsystem in the world can emulate that sound /feel you get listening to the actual live performance.
I do make exceptions when it comes to specific types of modern classical music but all in all I think that listening to recordings of classical classical pieces is the most plebeian thing one can do.
>I do make exceptions when it comes to specific types of modern classical music but all in all I think that listening to recordings of classical classical pieces is the most plebeian thing one can do.