by far 2 best female artists of the last years, but which one is more talented?
I guess Annie, the authority
but really, there are better artists
I mean, female, or trans
or even those with trunks
and volcanoes buried deep
in furry chests
Joanna Newsom is a billion times more talented than either of these.
But Annie is terrible. Grimes at least has a handful of nice songs even if they are lacking any artistic merit.
Joanna Newsom, Julia Holter and Chelsea Wolfe make way better and more interesting music than those two.
It seems that the criteria OP bases his opinion on is buzz, edgyness, and tryhardness.
It's because she outdoes them on almost every level. She is a better performer, songwriter, player of her primary instrument. She's probably a top 5 songwriter of the 00s.
Grimes/Annie are better at fashion or image or whatever the fuck is more useful to p4k.
For people who like to hate on people for the "look at me I'm different" aesthetic Newsom fits that to a tee with her harp shit and weird ass voice. And she's no less liked on P4K than the two in the OP so it's funny that you bring that up when it could be just as easily used as an argument against Newsom. You're no different than other waifufags but you try so much harder to legitimize it.
>For people who like to hate on people for the "look at me I'm different" aesthetic Newsom fits that to a tee with her harp shit and weird ass voice
Agreed. But she's musically talented as well and her aesthetic is nowhere near as marketed as the other two.
>And she's no less liked on P4K than the two in the OP so it's funny that you bring that up when it could be just as easily used as an argument against Newsom
No. You can't be this delusional. Do I have to bring up all the ridiculous shilling that p4k does for Grimes and Annie (but moreso Annie)?
Annie collabs with hip post-punk acts like byrne, wire, etc which are simple p4k slam dunks regardless of any actual talent. p4k literally did an article about annie working as a waitress to show off her indie cred.
Grimes is part of Jay Zs label and is so enfranchised as a celebrity now that she could be a fashion icon or whatever they do.
There's nothing innately wrong with having a marketable image, I threw it in more as a barb at p4k than annie/grimes. Newsom is not even in the same orbit as those two when it comes to image.
You seem to know quite a bit about how P4K works for someone who is trying to come off as not liking P4K. I'm looking at their news for Newsom right now and I would consider a lot of it "shilling" if you want to say it that way. People on /mu/ seriously are hypocrites.
I end up following it the same way I end up on MSM sites for political news. The fringes still orbit around the center so you end up there for different reasons. But it's important to remember that p4k has a huge impact in an artist's popularity, and they look for artists that will make them money, not artists who are have merit. They are an intermediary of online advertiser and PR firms of bands.
Hypocrite is one of the laziest objections to an opinion, you can find impurity in almost anything and it doesn't invalidate the basic point, it's an easy to sidestep it and not actually engage with it in any meaningful way.
Newsom does have her share of support from p4k, she got 2 BNMs but it's mostly following like it was with Grimes post-visions. She isn't controlled the way Grimes was or Annie is. where Newsom already had momentum from her early EPs and MEM. She was already well networked among other bands and could do whatever she wanted, she was still going to open for those folk bands and play those festivals.
If was a cynical person I would say that she ended up in bed with a lot of the acts she opened for during the MEM years.
Yep, Newsom is so special and totally different from the other indie acts that are just industry plants. I bet the people at the Newport Folk Festival really love having you around with your insight into the music industry.
I'm not saying they are industry plants, I was just mentioning in my first post >>61616891
that Grimes/Annie have an image that is better than Newsom's when it comes to marketing. You were the one that wanted to go into it
>has a pleasant & expressive voice
>multi-instrumentalist: guitar, bass, piano, keyboards, synthesizer
>great look and personality
>collaborated with David Byrne, The Chemical Brothers, Swans, The National, and others
>sang live with Nirvana (the remaining members), Wire, The Polyphonic Spree, Sufjan Stevens and Taylor Swift
>highly acclaimed music (see Metacritic for details)
>won a Grammy (Best Alternative Album) for her self-titled album
>insane live performances
>a great balance between quirky and accessible
>she knows how to do a football rainbow kick: https://vimeo.com/85067428
I think what you meant to say is "come out of the woodwork"
To be fair none of the women mentioned in op have releases comparable to Paraidse, Ultraviolence, Live Through This, and My Body The Hand Grenade.
Also the Joanna fans need to chill no one cares about her go hijack other threads.
Julia Holter's worst album is better than anything these artist have released in the last ten years
something has to be said about Grimes qtness that has to be taking into account